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Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Originally posted by luminous:
How is it offensive to you, Pablo? We aren't doing anything to you, per se...we aren't tying you down in the metro and making you stare at our ungodly piercings and hair...so what's the deal? Maybe I'm offended by the sight of people like you, eh? Stare into the paper on the bus or wherever it is you see us and don't make a big deal. It's not hard. And we aren't suprised at all. We know perfectly well there are closed minded people out there, and we ignore them.

I think I explained pretty well why it offends me. Because it is in many cases mutilation. Also, to me it just looks stupid. If you might be offended by the sight of me, so be it, but the difference is that I don't walk out of the house each morning with the knowledge that my appearance will peeve a significant percentage of the population. And I would expect the same respect from you - that you would not show your displeasure at my appearance - that I give to those that offend me. I don't stare at them or comment to them. I allow them their space and keep my opinion to myself. So what's your problem?

[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited 12-24-2002 07:15 PM).]

The Ktulu · Daedalian Member

I like what Pablo just said.

Good words.

Antrax · ESL Student

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

OK, Antrax, I changed it to suit you.

The Ktulu, I hope you still are OK with it. (Or should I call you "The" for short?)

[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited 12-24-2002 07:17 PM).]

chief ten beers · ½ a keg and barely buzzing

LOL O rama!

Antrax · ESL Student

Hilarious, while completely missing the point. It's a pet peeve of YOURS, that you're for some reason projecting on everybody on earth. Hell of a way to win an arguement. IIRC, you also dislike fat people. Wnat to go ahead and claim most people are bothered by that, as well?
Antrax

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"If it comes down to a choice between being unloved and being vulnerable and sensitive and emotional, then you can just keep your love." -Victor Mancini, "Choke"

The Ktulu · Daedalian Member

It doesn't matter to me. You can change your opinion if you want. It doesn't pose some life-threatening problem for me, so have your own opinions.

luminous · madre de succulante

I still don't understand why it offends you in particular. I'd understand if everyone suddenly got tattoos that said, "Fuck off, Pablo!" or something...but I don't really see a reason to be offended...

Death Mage · Raving Lunatic

Why did everybody skip over MY post again?!

I asked a serious question. If some people are doing peircings or tatoos to be "unique", what's so unique about it? It's to cliche to be unique.

luminous · madre de succulante

Eh. You people are missing the point AGAIN. You're trying to make a big list of universal reasons to be pierced or tattooed...which isn't right AT ALL. Most everyone's reasons are different, actually.

Death Mage · Raving Lunatic

I just want to limit the scope right now to people who do get peircings or tatoos to be "unique". Can you, or anyone here, explain to me that mentality? There ARE people who do that, and I'd like to know why.

There are also those who get peircings or tatoos becuase their parents tell them not to. And, well... they will always exist, and their reasons may never be fully clear, but it's a group you can't just dismiss.

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Originally posted by luminous:
I'd understand if everyone suddenly got tattoos that said, "Fuck off, Pablo!" or something...but I don't really see a reason to be offended...

I wouldn't be offended. I'd assume they meant some other Pablo. It's a common name.

chief ten beers · ½ a keg and barely buzzing

I like that Pablo guy.

Antrax · ESL Student

chief ten beers · ½ a keg and barely buzzing

I don't like that Pablo guy.

Agamemnon · Daedalian Member

If it's fat bashing time again, I'm on Antrax's side.
Me and Ant will take you all on materfornicaters!

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Originally posted by Antrax:
I recall you using very derogatory terms such as "disgusting" when referring to fat people, as a whole, back in ye olde "should fat people pay for two plane tickets?" thread. I found it fairly interesting, being rather on the large side myself.

Well, Duh! "Disgusting" - sure. But I never said I didn't like them.

Death Mage · Raving Lunatic

What are you gonna do, sit on us?

(Sorry, it had to be said. And I'm hardly "thin" myself.

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Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

chief ten beers · ½ a keg and barely buzzing

I like that Pablo guy.

jeep · Daedalian Member

subversive · Daedalian Member

I'll walk around with a nose ring on occasionally or green hair or something and so I sat down to post and I really couldn't think of a reason why...I really do it because I can. I mean, it's just a harmless form of self-expression. if what it expresses isn't necessarily the most conventional lifestyle....so what? Is me dying my hair green going to set your ass on fire? Why are people so afraid of progress. A while ago people couldn't express themselves so much, so I say don't take it for granted.

[This message has been edited by subversive (edited 12-25-2002 03:45 PM).]

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Antrax · ESL Student

Pablo, your arguements are getting increasingly weaker. "Whatever"? What is this, kindergarden? What next, you'll tell them their mama smells? Just accept the fact, not everybody presume that piercing's the best thing to happen to mankind, and yet do it nonetheless, and move on.
Antrax

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"If it comes down to a choice between being unloved and being vulnerable and sensitive and emotional, then you can just keep your love." -Victor Mancini, "Choke"

chief ten beers · ½ a keg and barely buzzing

That was my thought too, Pablo.

Adult: "Why do you choose to emulate 'rainbow man'?"
Youngster: "Because I can".

The logic of rocket science, ladies and gentleman.

Antrax · ESL Student

Yeah, because "why not?" is not a good enough reason to do something that doesn't hurt anyone. You hit the nail on the head, there.
Antrax

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"If it comes down to a choice between being unloved and being vulnerable and sensitive and emotional, then you can just keep your love." -Victor Mancini, "Choke"

chief ten beers · ½ a keg and barely buzzing

So we're in agreement then!

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Antrax, I'm not arguing, or, in your case, argueing. I happen to feel that a right such as "freedom of expression, or speech" could be celebrated in a more worthwhile way than dying one's hair. Just my opinion and I don't understand why you keep insisting that I am arguing. How long have you had this obsession?

luminous · madre de succulante

But Pablo, it's not hurting you or affecting you that much either. So why care?

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Originally posted by subversive:
Is me dying my hair green going to set your ass on fire? Why are people so afraid of progress

Green hair is progress? Antrax, your mama smells.

Coyote · Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:43 pm Post subject: 73

The complaints from naysayers like Pablo just serves to further prove that they're Close-Minded and Don't Understand. I think it's very generous of them, during this holiday season, to keep refilling the cup of dissent.

After all, what's more intoxicating than the feeling that you're part of a select group who's just a bit more Aware and In Touch than the common rabble? And what better way to confirm that feeling than oppression from the Unelightened?

The grumbling of the clueless adherents of conformity is just so much gravy. Belly up to the feeding trough--dinner's on!

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Originally posted by luminous:
But Pablo, it's not hurting you or affecting you that much either. So why care?

Do we only care about things that affect us directly? No. Most of us care about lots of little things that have no effect on our personal welfare. Luminous, have you ever cared about the outcome of a sporting event?
Dying your hair green may be your right to do. But when you present it as some sort of patriotic act, it offends my senses of the price some people paid to assure that we have freedom of expression.
Practice what you preach. My opinion on this has no affect on you, so it shouldn't offend you. I'm not trying to deny any of your rights, so why does expressing my opinion seem to offend you?

luminous · madre de succulante

It offends me because you're saying what I'm doing is wrong.

And caring about a sporting event and caring about this are two different issues. Caring about a sporting event does affect you, if you like the sport or team or whatnot. Other people piercing their noses and getting tattoos doesn't affect you at all, unless it's your offspring that want that. What, you want a race of perfect blonde people who behave exactly as you want them to? That's boring.

Just leave us be, that's all.

chief ten beers · ½ a keg and barely buzzing

I like that Pablo guy.

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

Originally posted by luminous:
It offends me because you're saying what I'm doing is wrong

I don't even know what you're doing. I just don't like piercings. Or are you saying I shouldn't have the right to express myself that way? Oh, so you're saying that what I'm doing by expressing that is wrong? Well that offends me. Just let me be, would you?

Death Mage · Raving Lunatic

Pablo still sounds like a psycho to me.

Pablo · Never Draws a Blank

OK - those of you who find it to be an important expression of who you are and a celebration of the fact that you appreciate your freedom, go ahead - mutilate, dye, tattoo away. That's important stuff. I realize now that to criticize any of that is to attack right at the heart of your identity. I mean, that's who and what you are! I could probably criticize your heritage, your religion, your school, your friends, your pet... and that would be OK. But your piercings - WHOA! That is, in fact, what makes you "unique". That's what separates you from the millions of others on the planet and what demonstrates your "uniqueness" as from previous generations. To take that away from you would make you like everyone else, and you can't have that. You've got to be different.
Of course, people at one time became "different" by their accomplishments, or their courage, or their wisdom. Now all it takes is a nose ring. What a great time be be young.

Antrax · ESL Student