why does the trend continue?

[Pablo]

[luminous]

Erg. I just wish you wouldn't openly diss my culture, that's all. And you're overlooking the difference, again. See, you're telling me that I'm an idiot for having a piercing or tattoo, but I'm just saying that I wish you wouldn't insult us. That's all.

And for the fiftieth time. NOT EVERYONE GETS THEM TO BE UNIQUE. In fact, a lot of people get them for a reason other than that. It's a dull point that doesn't even work, so stop using it.

[This message has been edited by luminous (edited 12-25-2002 07:14 PM).]

[Antrax]

[chief ten beers]

[chief ten beers]

what was the name of that Russian general with the nipples pierced?

[Pablo]

[Antrax]

Being fat and annoying isn't very unique. Neither is being a troll, really. And where are my horrible spelling mistakes?
Antrax

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[chief ten beers]

well, for starters, you've spelled your name wrong.
As I also recall, you thought Anthrax was a virus and a GL'er named 'Acid Fast' informed us that in fact, Anthrax is a bacteria.

But instead of editing your name.....

[Borodog]

Ack. Shut up already. Body modification is about far more than "being unique" or "fitting in." Every culture that has ever existed has invented its own forms of body modification, whether it is piercing, tattooing, scarification, branding, head shaping, foot binding, neck elongation, tooth filing, hair dye, etc, etc, etc. There is, within some portion of every population, the drive to carry works of artifice on the very body itself, permanently. This is exactly analogous to the drive within every extant population and every society that has ever existed to artificially altered states of consiousness. I do not claim to understand it, or why it exists, but it seems clear that it does. And to reduce it to calling it "mutilation" to "fit in" or "be unique", or to "it's cool", both seem to me to be patent oversimplifications.



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[Borodog]

pssst, Chef Half a Keg. That's how it's spelled in Hebrew.

D'oh!


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[Coyote]

Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting the return of Powdered Wigs. Now there's a fashion statement!

[chief ten beers]

That may all be true. But it's still stupid. And what is the definition of mutilation, Borodog?

[chief ten beers]

[Neo]

I've been reading this thread....and the point just flew way out past me. Somebody wanna try and tell me what it was?

[Lepton]

Picture someone picking up a saxophone for the first time and blowing into it as hard as they can while dropping mashed potatoes into the bell and fluttering their hand wildly just over the top of the bell.

Now picture a regular GL "discussion". This was somewhere between the two.

[Pablo]

Originally posted by Borodog:

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I do not claim to understand it, or why it exists, but it seems clear that it does. And to reduce it to calling it "mutilation" to "fit in" or "be unique", or to "it's cool", both seem to me to be patent oversimplifications.

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That's a lot more "seem"-ing than usual for you. I disagree with you, so "Ack. Shudup your own self Borodog already".

[chief ten beers]

I'm not so confident about my view anymore, Pablo.

Neo is having trouble following along, Lepton has written a creative and concise analogy that describes this thread perfectly (that analogy makes sense, it really does) and Borodog has 'Ack'ed us and told us to shut up.

~hands out boca burgers~

[Death Mage]

Borodog made a great point that body mutilations have been going on for quite some time. Not just peircings, hair dyes, and tatoos either.

And personally, I'm sitll waiting for genetic minipulations. Island of Dr. Moroe (Monroe, Moron, Maratoni, whatever the frell that book was called), here I come!

[chief ten beers]

So the point is, they're not new, people have been doing it, it's practically tradition.
Adult: "hey kid, why do that?"
Inner city youth (who's morals aren't like they should be for their age): "It's tradition, people have been doing this for a very long time, so shove off, oldster."

[Pablo]

I don't think much of Boromutt's point. It seems to me that in most cultures that practice "disfigurement" it is societally agreed that the said disfigurement enhances beauty, or some other attribute. In many of those cultures, these things are done to win the approval of the "tribe".
The goings-on in our culture are being done by a sliver of the population, with the knowledge, if not the intent, that it will offend many or most others.
These face-holes should thank people like me. Without our disapproval, it would be hardly be worth the effort to make themselves look repulsive.



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[chief ten beers]

[Pablo]

Originally posted by chief TB:

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Lepton has written a creative and concise analogy that describes this thread perfectly

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I agree.

[chief ten beers]

chief TB? chief TB.

I don't like that Pablo guy.

[chief ten beers]

Just kidding, Pablo. But I'm not likely to get TB and I'd rather think of the holes in my liver as tradition if not fashionable. People have been doing the sclerosis thing even before they new what it was.
"Hey doc! You don't like the looks of my liver, well you don't look that good either! It's not like I waved my liver around in your face! And your Momma smells!"

[Pablo]

Don't expect an argument from me on that!

[Quailman]

CTB: Did you mean sclerosis or cirrhosis?

scle·ro·sis
Pronunciation: skl&-'rO-s&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sclirosis tumor, from Medieval Latin, from Greek sklErOsis hardening, from sklEroun to harden, from sklEros
Date: 1846
: pathological hardening of tissue especially from overgrowth of fibrous tissue or increase in interstitial tissue

cir·rho·sis
Pronunciation: s&-'rO-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural cir·rho·ses /-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek kirrhos orange-colored; akin to Old English hAr gray -- more at HOAR
Date: circa 1847
: widespread disruption of normal liver structure by fibrosis and the formation of regenerative nodules that is caused by any of various chronic progressive conditions affecting the liver (as long term alcohol abuse or hepatitis)

[chief ten beers]

err....~searches for a way out of this~

Both!

[Borodog]

[luminous]

*applauds Borodog*

[This message has been edited by luminous (edited 12-26-2002 11:42 AM).]

[Borodog]

But that ugly dude with the unwashed hair still ins't succulent.


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[luminous]

If he washed his hair, would he be succulent then?

[Pablo]

Originally posted by B'dog:

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Mayhaps your judgement is clouded by your self-centered fervor to attribute evil intentions to those who've do you know harm, but whom you assume their entire lives are spent merely attempting to find ways to offend you.

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I never said anything about evil, nor that they are spending their entire lives trying to offend me.

[chief ten beers]

Like I said, I like that Pablo guy.
~applauds~

[luminous]

Are you finished? I'm not even going to bother counting how many times you've said that.

[chief ten beers]

I like that Pablo guy. NYAH!

[Borodog]

Pablo, that response was entirely non-responsive, so I'm done.

No hard feelings. Go forth young man and produce! Fair capitalism, that beautiful engine of prosperity, needs you!




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[Hitchhiker]

"Men who have an earring are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought jewelry."

--comedienne Rita Rudner

[Pablo]

Boro - Of course, no hard feelings!

[Pablo]

I'm done too - Hitchhiker's quote is a tough one to follow.

[PuzzleProdigy]

AHEM! I still haven't gotten a direct response to my question on page 1. For professing to be illuminating people on this topic, lumi, you seem awfully absorbed in flaming people who directly disagree with you.