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Courk
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Digglu
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 Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:07 pm Post subject: 2 |
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hrm i started this reply by quoting the site and scoffing (among other things) but then i realized i was quoting practically every other sentance and stopped. garrrh *is frustrated* 
hm i think my sig pretty much sums things up pretty well
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Digglu
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:17 pm Post subject: 3 |
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| The biggest difference between an ape and a human is that humans have souls and apes don't. Humans have consciousness: they think, speak and convey their thoughts to others in rational sentences, make decisions, feel, develop tastes, know about art, paint, compose songs, sing and are full of love and values. All of these faculties are particular to the human soul. Animals do not have souls. No one other than a human could have these unique features. |
uhh... |
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Courk
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:23 pm Post subject: 4 |
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Digg, maybe you should stop reading. This seems detrimental to your health. |
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The Anonymous Sarcast
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: 5 |
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I honestly can't decide if that's a parody or not, which makes it the best kind of parody.
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PhantasyStarOnline
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:37 pm Post subject: 6 |
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| ::feels like sueing them, just because they have messed-up logic:: |
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Lepton
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:41 pm Post subject: 7 |
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| I think it's for real. I've read similar stuff that wasn't a parody, in any case. |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:45 pm Post subject: 8 |
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| I find the creepiest thing about that site to be the abundance of Garfield pictures. |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:22 pm Post subject: 9 |
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| This means that if there is something concrete we can see, then there must have been someone who made it. |
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| Then think for a moment: to form the sun, stars, seas, lakes, mountains, fish, cats, rabbits and human beings is a lot harder and more complex than producing a cake, but even a cake could not occur by itself through chance. Then to say that the sun or humans have come about on their own is very foolish. If there is someone baking the cake, then there is a very Intelligent Being Who has created the sun and humans. This Being is God, our Lord. |
So what/who created God? lumi?  |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject: 10 |
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| This means that if there is something concrete we can see, then there must have been someone who made it. |
(by the way, I'm not defending the site, I'm just attacking Hy) fnord.
[This message has been edited by casinopete (edited 06-20-2003 04:27 PM).] |
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Courk
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:41 pm Post subject: 11 |
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Originally posted by that site:
1. Fish use gills to breathe in water. However, on land they cannot breathe with their gills and so they would die. They would need to have lungs. Let us just suppose that a fish made up its mind to go on land, where would it get a lung from?
2. Fish do not have a kidney system like ours, but they need one to live on land. Probably they found kidneys lying somewhere when they decided to go on land!
3. Fish do not have feet. This is why they cannot walk when they reach shore. Just how did the first fish that decided to go on land find feet? As this is impossible, it is obvious that evolutionists are wrong about this as well.
That's the best part |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:43 pm Post subject: 12 |
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| According to the bible, haven't people seen God? |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:45 pm Post subject: 13 |
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| That fits half of the requirement for the statement. It still skips the "concrete" part. |
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The Ktulu
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:45 pm Post subject: 14 |
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I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with the site, but I do have to say that it is one of the weirdest things I have ever seen these past few days, maybe even weeks. Perhaps the fact that this is geared toward kids while dealing with an issue debated by mostly adults is what makes it so weird. The language (and maybe I'm wrong because I only skimmed it) seemed to be kind of harsh for children. It seemed to be sarcastic and attacking.
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:46 pm Post subject: 15 |
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| Wasn't man created in God's image. Doesn't that mean that God has a body? Or will he envy our's? |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:48 pm Post subject: 16 |
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Wasn't man created in God's image?
Yes.
Doesn't that mean that God has a body?
No.
Or will he envy ours?
Hunh? |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:51 pm Post subject: 17 |
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Ktulu: I totally agree with you. It is very bad to teach little kids by ridiculing the opposing theory without actually giving an explanation a whirl. Kids are not as stupid as most adults think they are.
And further, teaching in this fashion will do nothing more than ensure that the kid has a crisis of faith when he grows up, starts talking with people who disagree, and realize that his faith is based on nothing more than sarcastic remarks about other people's faiths.
[This message has been edited by casinopete (edited 06-20-2003 04:52 PM).] |
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The Ktulu
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:54 pm Post subject: 18 |
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Wow, you said that pretty well.
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:57 pm Post subject: 19 |
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Okay, take out the first quote then. Sorry, different beliefs.
God exists. What/who created him/it? Did it just appear out of nothing? You expect me to belive that? |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:58 pm Post subject: 20 |
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| Did the cake create itself? |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:58 pm Post subject: 21 |
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This page of it makes me sure it's not parody. (I wondered myself at first)
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| Evolutionists, however, are unable to explain how eyes formed |
They sure haven't. Stupid evolutionists. |
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Qirat
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:04 pm Post subject: 22 |
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*sigh* when i started reading, i expected the site to be something put together for children of ultra-conservative evangelist christian parents (as is so often the case with these kinds of things). Imagine my surprise to look up and see that the author is Muslim!! Bah, I say!
I've never figured out why, in order to disagree with the theory that humans evolved from apes, one has to discredit the entire theory of evolution in and of itself. I myself do not necessarily believe that humans evolved from apes, but i would be blind not to see that evolution through natural selection is viable and indeed probable in myriad situations, both natural and lab-controlled.
someone should tell the author of this and similar articles that all generalizations are wrong 
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If i should return before i get back,
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Lepton
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:04 pm Post subject: 23 |
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~eats spon-gen cake~I've just exceeded the cleverness quotient for my life. =P No serious comment.
[This message has been edited by Lepton (edited 06-20-2003 05:04 PM).] |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:08 pm Post subject: 24 |
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[aside] I bet it would be great fun to have an entire debate using only "kiddie" terms. [/aside]
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| God exists. What/who created him/it? Did it just appear out of nothing? You expect me to belive that? |
Cake is a concrete thing. All the examples cited are concrete things (I'd ignore the first quote, but it's implicit). Concrete things do not just appear out of nothing. And whether non-concrete things can appear from nothing is irrelevant (because the point is based only in the concrete) and unprovable either way. |
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Qirat
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:11 pm Post subject: 25 |
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you're both assuming that time constraints apply to God. God was not created, he has always existed. End of argument  |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:12 pm Post subject: 26 |
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what?
Maybe you should put that in kiddie terms. From what I just read.
"I don't know. It's like that because it is. Just accept it."
The website states clearly that things can't just happen to exist by chance, but it doesn't explain how God came to exist. How about all the matter that makes up the universe. Where did it come from? It's all concrete. |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:15 pm Post subject: 27 |
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| How about all the matter that makes up the universe. Where did it come from? It's all concrete. |
But that's exactly the point, little Hy. Everything concrete in the whole entire universe had to be made by someone, and that someone was God. But no one had to make God, because He's not concrete; He's magic. |
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pikachamp
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:18 pm Post subject: 28 |
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| the author of garfield should sue |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:18 pm Post subject: 29 |
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Isn't magic evil though?
[This message has been edited by HyToFry (edited 06-20-2003 05:19 PM).] |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:19 pm Post subject: 30 |
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| Sorcery is evil. Witchcraft is evil. God's magic is good. |
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Qirat
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:19 pm Post subject: 31 |
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I was being semi-sarcastic hy, since i know that that argument isn't provable, and therefore moot when talking to atheists.
but still, since i started it:
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| The website states clearly that things can't just happen to exist by chance, but it doesn't explain how God came to exist. |
God has always existed. There is no need for him to have been created, as there was never a time when he did not exist.
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| How about all the matter that makes up the universe. Where did it come from? It's all concrete. |
of course it's all concrete. God made all of it, duh.
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I'm lost.
I've decided to go find myself.
If i should return before i get back,
please tell me to wait. |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:20 pm Post subject: 32 |
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Maybe evolution is magical. Did the site ever think of that!?
[thread is moving fast] |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:21 pm Post subject: 33 |
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| Ah yes, and now we come to it. the gap of God. Nice. |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:23 pm Post subject: 34 |
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doh!
kinda spun that wrong, didn't I?
Well, I can't see any way around that, since I'm trying to argue on the side of a fundamentally flawed position - no matter what language we use, the point that God might have caused/directed evolution would always trump. |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:26 pm Post subject: 35 |
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| the point that God might have caused/directed evolution would always trump. |
I actually belive that way...
the bible says god created man from the dust of the Earth. So does Evolution... Evolution just goes into detail a bit more.
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| And dang, is this thread moving fast, as hy already said. |
TOO FAST!
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The Ktulu
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:26 pm Post subject: 36 |
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I wonder if God is made up of any kind of substance, even if intangible...
And dang, is this thread moving fast, as hy already said.
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pikachamp
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject: 37 |
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| This claim is nonsense. Furthermore, as we mentioned above, mutations are always harmful to living creatures. |
what if the baby's mutation gave him a third arm? |
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HyToFry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject: 38 |
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| Well... if he were you, it would go to waste. |
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The Ktulu
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:31 pm Post subject: 39 |
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Perhaps my previous post was a waste of space that just made this thread move even faster, and if it is, this one probably is too.
What would you use the third arm for? |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:32 pm Post subject: 40 |
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umm...
*tries to remain kiddie*
Little Hy was suggesting that it be used for playing the Birds 'n Bees game. |
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