Diplomacy - variant WW1 (beta test) - Winter 1917

[ChienFou]

yep, Arm and Kie are what I'd played for. straight into the Fall

[CrystyB]

What happens in Fall 1916:
* Romania joins the Entante. A unit (chosen by the E player) materializes in Rum. It can be chosen to belong to either the Romanian MinorPower, or to the protecting GreatPower of France.
* Italy declares war on Germany. No more restrictions for Italy or against it.

[Sparhawk]

Orders have been sent. A question -- why does Rumania and Bulgaria get units immediately but not Portugal? I am not complaining, but I am curious why you put the difference into the game.

[CrystyB]

b/c Bul and Rum were involved (bulgarian armies help AH a lot in Serbia, Rum entered the war but didn't manage much :-|), Por was only a lateral effect of Germany declaring war on it. I don't remember any portuguese impact around the Maginot lines!

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 12-09-2002 12:19 AM).]

[ChienFou]

Do I get to see which unit is raised in Rumania? Is there an up to date copy of the board - I need to think about this for a day or so and try to get into Sparhawk's mind.

[Sparhawk]

I think it would be more fun for you to try and guess whether I built an army or a fleet! [Since I think you get to know, I will tell you I build a {censored by the military}.]

One of the fun points of this is to try to predict what my opponent will do, and then make a move that will take advantage of that. Of course, if we both do that we could end up looking pretty silly some times.

[This message has been edited by Sparhawk (edited 12-09-2002 12:46 PM).]

[CrystyB]

Now why would you think that?? Did i tell you what John built in Bulgaria?? :

And there's no hurry, both players should take their time.

[CrystyB]

bump? John, i really think you forgot! DON'T take this as a memo on your 2do list - i intended it as a little graffitti on the wall; something that you could come across by accident while you casually walk by

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 01-07-2003 10:57 PM).]

[CrystyB]

uploaded the adjudication. The orders and the required retreats/adjustments were/are these:

Entante:
E: ENG-MAO-WES, HEL s (F) Ruh-Kie, Bur-Ruh (misspel of Bel-Ruh... )
F: Bur-Mun, Pie-Ven, Rum-Gal
I: Apu & Rom - Nap
R: Sil-War, Mos s Sev-Ukr

CentralPowers:
A: ADS s Ven, Boh s G Mun s Kie-Ber, Gal s T Ser-Rum, Ukr s T Arm-Sev
G: Kie-Ber, Tyr-Vie
T: AEG-ION-Tun, BLA s Arm-Sev, Con-Bul


F must retreat Rum to Bud or disband it

A-1 T+2 / F+1(+2 if disb.) P+1 (yes, Portugal is a new minor power and not a protectorate...)

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 01-10-2003 10:08 PM).]

[ChienFou]

Now to chase that damned French army all over the Balkans

[Sparhawk]

It is rather humorous that you have to chase the *French* in the Balkins.

You could always let them go home (through Vienna, of course).

[CrystyB]

A - F ADS
F + F Mar
T + F Smy, A Con
P + F Por

Spring 1917
* Russia is in decline. Its units stop advancing, they just support each other.
* the US of A joins the Entante. Each subsequent Fall season, one American army joins the battle.

These American armies were intended to be mercenaries of France, meaning that any captured SC will become part of the French Teritories. And i don't think making them controlled by a dif. person (ie mith) would really add any value to the game.

Back to the info: The landing of the American armies can take place in any province neighbouring the Atlantic Ocean, except Gascony. To succeed, the path must be clear (there should be no CP fleet in NAT or MID, respectively; and any opposing unit in the destination province should be overcome). The landing may receive support. If it is unsuccessfull, it can't be tried again in Spring, but in the following Fall.

[radwulf]

is it just me, or is Turkey's military might grossly exagerated in this custom scenario when compared to the historical situation?

[CrystyB]

i think in 1918 Austria was pretty much going for spoils of the crumbling Ottoman Empire. Now they're working together and it just happens that Turkey is getting the larger part of the gains...

[radwulf]

My objection is regarding how the game was set-up; Turkey is way too powerful at the start of the game. The current situation in the test game confirms that.

[CrystyB]

So the idea is that Turkey should start smaller (1f+1a maybe) and thus make the Russian Empire a bit smaller (4 SC's were too many imo but i had found no better way of improvement)?

[radwulf]

how about this:
- russia: 3 sc, 1 fleet, 1 army
- turkey: 2 sc, 1 army

[ChienFou]

Is there an up to date map?

[CrystyB]

yeah sorry i didn't post when i did upload the updated maps and HTML... Here, the same HTML file is updated each time, complete with links to pic's and a DPY file, just like you do in your dip games...

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 01-19-2003 07:44 PM).]

[ChienFou]

I thought I'd sent these last week, sorry

Austria:
A Bohemia - Vienna
A Galicia - Budapest
A Venice - Tuscany

Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Berlin
A Vienna - Trieste

Turkey:
F Black Sea - Constantinople
A Bulgaria - Serbia
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rumania Supports A Galicia - Budapest
A Sevastopol Hold
F Smyrna - Aegean Sea
F Tunis Supports F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea

[CrystyB]

not those... The Munich retreat...

Argh, damn. I had updated the html file but forgot to upload it. The pics were there though...

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 01-28-2003 08:33 PM).]

[ChienFou]

the dpy file is not up to date, and the HTML has no link to the board after resolution of the orders. Can I have a summer dpy file please?

[CrystyB]

done. That was really stupid of me... I was uploading the dpy file under a different name than the one the link went to...

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 01-29-2003 08:54 PM).]

[ChienFou]

Tyrol please. I bet you didn't expect the move to Tuscany, SparHawk

[Sparhawk]

Nope, I didn't expect the move to Tuscany. I should have in hindsight, but I didn't even consider it. Good move! I was supposed to move the French army from Piedmont to Tyrolia, but that order seemed to disappear. Of course, I am not sure I would be happy being in Tyrolia with you in Tuscany.

[CrystyB]

is there any chance of this being ressurected or should i just leave it as is?

[Sparhawk]

I would like to continue to see what other twists you have. However, if ChienFou wants to surrender I will understand, as I think he is now fighting a lost cause.

[ChienFou]

I've let CB know my move (and it's in the thread, just waiting for an updated map for the Fall).

Sparhawk, if you think you've got the remotest chance, then you need a shrink

[Antrax]

I think CrystyB wanted me to post these:



(Yes i did. I had a crazy half an hour when i couldn't access any site outside of Romania... And i feared the situation could be prolonged until i went to sleep, while i had really intended to update this today... THANKS!)

Antrax

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[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 03-26-2003 09:13 PM).]

[CrystyB]

Austria:
A Budapest Hold
A Tuscany Supports A Tyrolia - Piedmont
A Vienna - Bohemia

England:
F Kiel Supports A Munich - Berlin
F North Africa Supports F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
A Ruhr Supports A Burgundy - Munich
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis

France:
A Burgundy - Munich
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Fails*)
A Munich - Berlin
A Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Dislodged*)

Germany:
A Berlin - Kiel (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Piedmont

Italy:
A Naples Supports A Venice - Rome
A Venice - Rome

Russia:
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Ukraine Supports A Warsaw
A Warsaw Supports A Ukraine

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
F Black Sea - Constantinople
A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Rumania - Galicia
A Sevastopol Hold
F Tunis Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Western Mediterranean (*Disbanded*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Western Mediterranean (*Bounce*)

Portugal:
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean (*Bounce*)

OUCH! I forgot the US army so i thought there were no units SH did not notice. He had specifically asked me to remind him if i saw a missing order... But i didn't, and i don't think it's fair to rollback now...

German A Berlin can retreat to Prussia or Silesia.
French A Piedmont can retreat to Marseilles or Venice.

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 03-28-2003 09:20 PM).]

[Sparhawk]

I will retreat to Venice. I forgot about the American mercenaries.

[ChienFou]

retreat to Silesia, an interesting development. Tunis is the big bummer.

[CrystyB]

England: +2
France: +2
Germany: -2