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mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

code:




  ASPEN  Wheel of Letters (WOL) 


   C   B


   O   U


QUALM  T Jotto (J)


U  DEPOT Mastermind (M)


E   L  E


S   E


T SWEPT  Lingo (L)


 


L  JW  M


    O


    L


 


            Across     Down                     Across     Down


Lingo      1.bEaTS    1.hEarT     Jotto        1.ALIEN-2  1.CORES-3


           2.STEel    2.ejEcT                  2.QUAIL-4  2.CLOSE-4


           3.STErn    3.SpEnT                  3.QUILT-3  3.SCOLD-5


           4.SPElT    4.gUild                  4.QUALM-5


           5.SWEPT    5.QUEST


Mastermind 1.SUINT    1.ORATE     Wheel of     1.FJORD    1.LUNGE


             -11        -22       Letters        -15        -0122


           2.SPARE    2.SPITE                  2.QUIPS    2.MELEE


             -20        -22                      -25        -00000


           3.DEPOT    3.FLUTE                  3.ASKED


             -55        -32                      -0005


                      4.BUTTE                  4.ASPEN


                        -55                      -00000

This is a crossword with 8 five-letter words. Your goal, GL, is to guess them. You will have a certain number of guesses for each one, and for each wrong guess, you will be given a clue. Use logic (and intersecting letters) to solve them! The following is an explanation of the rules for the four games used here:

LINGO (5 tries):
Based on the game show on GSN.

If a letter in the guess isn't in the real word, it will be lowercase. If it's there, but in a different spot, it'll be UPPERCASE. If it's in the correct spot, it'll be UPPERCASE and underlined.

MASTERMIND (7 tries):
Based on the Pressman logic game.

You'll be told how many letters in the guess are in the word, and how many are in the correct position, but you won't be told which ones. This makes Mastermind tougher than Lingo.

JOTTO (8 tries):
Based on the pencil-and-paper logic game.

You'll be told how many letters in the guess are in the word, but you won't be told how many are in their places. This makes Jotto tougher than Mastermind. However, an important feature about Jotto is no letter may repeat in the word or in a guess. This makes the game similar to the Mastermind round of The Worst. However, an anagram of the word will not be accepted as correct.

WHEEL OF LETTERS (7 tries):
Based on an idea that I had. Not based on Wheel of Fortune.

Imagine a circle with the 26 letters of the alphabet in it. (Or look in the Examples section

) Notice that we can calculate the distance between two letters to be anything from 0 to 13. A is 7 from T, and B is 10 from L.

The distance is found between each letter in the guess and the corresponding letter in the real word. All distances that are at most 5 are given as the clue, but like Mastermind, you don't know which distances go to which letters. Sound hard? Not for the GL, it isn't!

Example guesses for the four games:

code:




Lingo:


Word:   LINGO          BINGO


Guess:  LOVER          CARDS


Clue:   LOver          cards


 


Mastermind:


Word:   COINS          SOLAR


Guess:  MONEY          LEARN


Clue:   21             30          ABCDEFG


                                   Z     H


Jotto:                             Y     I


Word:   NIGHT          NIGHT       X     J


Guess:  TODAY          THING       W     K


Clue:   1              5           V     L


                                   U     M


Wheel of Letters:       Wheel ---> TSRQPON


Word:   WORLD          ANGRY


Guess:  ROUND          WRATH


Clue:   00234          244

All words must be valid in Scrabble, according to OSPD3.

Good luck!

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GL DPWestley: I had my backspace key removed and a beverage dispenser pur in it's place. See? I can't go back and fix "put."
GLmathgrant: I once was banned from a M:TG tourney for bringing over 50 banned cards! They were Ace of Clubs, Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts, Ace of Spades, 2 of Clubs. . .

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 04-11-2003 05:50 PM).]

Lepton · 1:41+ Arse Scratcher

Lingo:
horizontal - beats
vertical - heart

wordcross · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:30 am Post subject: 3

oddly enough, this game doesn't really interest me...

Lucky Wizard · Daedalian Member

Jotto across: ALIEN
Jotto down: CORES

CrystyB · Misunderstood Guy

I like to patch things up to (almost?) perfection...

code:




          J       M  


                     


       +-+-+-+-+-+   


       | | | | | |   WoL 


       +-+-+-+-+-+-+ 


         | |     | | 


         +-+     +-+ 


         | |     | | 


   +-+-+-+-+-+   +-+ 


J  | | | | | |   | | 


   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 


   | |   | | | | | | M


   +-+   +-+-+-+-+-+ 


   | |     | |   | | 


   +-+     +-+   +-+ 


   | |     | |       


   +-+ +-+-+-+-+-+   


   | | | | | | | |   L


   +-+ +-+-+-+-+-+   


                     


    L       W

[This message has been edited by CrystyB (edited 03-21-2003 12:04 AM).]

Lucky Wizard · Daedalian Member

Crysty, the top two rows should be:

code:

       +-+-+-+-+-+ 


       | | | | | |   WoL 


       +-+-+-+-+-+-+ 


         | |     | | 


         +-+     +-+

CrystyB · Misunderstood Guy

heh damn i thought it was a mistake on mg's part, leaving a space out!

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Lingo Across: 1. bEaTS
Lingo Down: 1.hEarT
Jotto Across: 1.ALIEN-2
Jotto Down: 1.CORES-3

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 03-24-2003 12:27 PM).]

Lepton · 1:41+ Arse Scratcher

Lingo:
Across - Steel
Down - Eject

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Lingo Across: 2.STEel
Lingo Down: 2.ejEcT

I hope this thread gains more interest.

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 03-24-2003 12:28 PM).]

Lepton · 1:41+ Arse Scratcher

Lingo:
Across- Stern
Down- Spent

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Lingo Across: 3. STErn
Lingo Down: 3. SpEnT

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 03-24-2003 12:30 PM).]

Lucky Wizard · Daedalian Member

Since nobody's started on Mastermind and Wheel of Letters, I'll be the first.

WOL Across: FJORD
WOL Down: LUNGE
Mastermind Across: SUINT
Mastermind Down: ORATE
Lingo Across: SPELT
Lingo Down: GUILD

The above words were chosen based on a calculation that, on average, we'd get more information from them than most other words. (Yes, I did have a reason for trying GUILD: the four remaining possibilities for that one are "blest", "doest", "guest", and "quest".)

Hope we get some more participants.

CrystyB · Misunderstood Guy

heh i was just about to post slept for lingo across

CrystyB and Lepton · Guest

Lingo:
Across-Slept

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

LW's SPELT came first, so I will use it.

WOL Across: 1. FJORD-15
WOL Down: 1. LUNGE-0122
Mastermind Across: 1. SUINT-11
Mastermind Down: 1. ORATE-22
Lingo Across: 4. SPElT
Lingo Down: 4. gUild

Only one guess is left for each Lingo. You must guess correctly or I win. I'm sure you'll get them right though

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 03-24-2003 12:32 PM).]

Lucky Wizard · Daedalian Member

I know what Lingo Across is, but I will choose to let someone else take it.

Lingo Down: QUEST

And I'll try this:

Jotto Across: QUAIL

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Lingo Down: 5. QUEST -- CORRECT!
Jotto Across: 2. QUAIL-4

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 03-24-2003 12:33 PM).]

mikeamok · Daedalian Member

Lingo Across: SWEPT

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Lingo Across: 5. SWEPT -- CORRECT!

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 03-24-2003 12:34 PM).]

Lucky Wizard · Daedalian Member

Jotto Across: QUILT

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Jotto Across: 3. QUILT-3

casinopete · Emergency Backup Antrax

Mastermind:

_Across: spare
_Down: spite

Trojan Horse · Daedalian Member

Jotto Across: QUALM

Lucky Wizard · Daedalian Member

Jotto Down: CLOSE
WOL Down: MELEE

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Mastermind Across: 2. SPARE-20
Mastermind Down: 2. SPITE-22
Jotto Across: 4. QUALM-5 -- CORRECT!
Jotto Down: 2. CLOSE-4
WOL Down: 2. MELEE-00000 -- CORRECT!

[side note]No one ever uses the word MELEE. I don't think it was ever used until Nintendo announced the title for their Super Smash Bros. sequel.

[/sn]

[sn2]With MELEE solved so quickly, I'm wondering if I offered too many guesses for WOL. "Wheel" just have to see the fate of WOL Across to decide that

[/sn2]

[This message has been edited by mathgrant (edited 03-24-2003 02:03 PM).]

casinopete · Emergency Backup Antrax

Mastermind Across: DEPOT

status update · Guest

code:

          J       M  


                     


       +-+-+-+-+-+   


       | | | | | |   WoL 


       +-+-+-+-+-+-+ 


         | |     | | 


         +-+     +-+ 


         | |     | | 


   ......+-+..   +-+ 


J  .q.u.a|L|m.   | | 


   ......+-+-+-+-+-+ 


   .u.   | |E| | | | M


   ...   +-+-+-+-+-+ 


   .e.     .L.   | | 


   ...     ...   +-+ 


   .s.     .e.       


   ... ...........   


   .t. .s.w.e.p.t.   L


   ... ...........   


                     


    L       W

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Mastermind Across: DEPOT-55 -- CORRECT!

This is going fast.

Highest Prime · 2^43112609 - 1

Mastermind Down - FLUTE

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Mastermind Down: 3.FLUTE-32

Lucky Wizard · Daedalian Member

Jotto Down: SCOLD

And I'll try:

WOL Across: QUIPS

casinopete · Emergency Backup Antrax

Mastermind Down: Butte?

Lepton · 1:41+ Arse Scratcher

Jotto Down (after Scold): Loser

casinopete · Emergency Backup Antrax

but Jotto Down has an 'L' in the fourth position.

(I actually guessed Depot for MA because I though JD was scold)

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

Jotto Down: SCOLD-5 -- CORRECT!
WOL Across: QUIPS-25
Mastermind Down: BUTTE-55 -- CORRECT!

I think I made this game too easy

Trojan Horse · Daedalian Member

Before this gets too far down the list:

WOL Across: ASKED

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

WOL Across: 3.ASKED-0005

Trojan Horse · Daedalian Member

I think I got it!

WOL Across: ASPEN

mathgrant · A very tilted cell member

WOL Across: ASPEN-00000 -- CORRECT!

Question: How can I make this game harder? It's obvious I made it too easy, with you solving all the words so quickly (30 out of 54 allowed guesses!).

Then again, everyone ALWAYS solves Botticelli, and the mods don't say "20 questions is too much!"

So, what should I do? Leave the game as-is, or modify it?

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GL DPWestley: I had my backspace key removed and a beverage dispenser pur in it's place. See? I can't go back and fix "put."
GLmathgrant: I once was banned from a M:TG tourney for bringing over 50 banned cards! They were Ace of Clubs, Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts, Ace of Spades, 2 of Clubs. . .