Mafia 38

[sweetwater]

DPW:

What will happen tonight is that Officer Taflinel will die. Read about it in tomorrow's papers.


mole:

What is this "special ability" you speak of?

I don't think DP or ralph is mafia; they replaced pika and jesternl, both of whom would be salivating at the thought of a mafia role. It would be easy to assume they have less than interesting roles, probably ordinary townies.

What about mudster. Didn't he vote you, Macros, TCM, and Purgation, only to disappear when Soothsayer and ChienFou were being exposed as mafia? FOS: mudster.


For now I will follow Samadhi's advice (always a good choice) and wait for Taf - while wondering what if Taf votes Samadhi.

[mole]

There won't be any papers tomorrow. But what do I know? I expected there'd be a paper today...

[Samadhi]

[Taflinel]

Taf's got an innocent...
For Samadhi: Good q on whether I did investigate LocoLobo or not...
It's time for your instict to show...
Vote on...

(I'll vote tomorrow... )
Ta ta

~goes off for a double chocolate one~

[mudster]

Hehe. I haven't been visiting GL often enough. Now I'm under an FOS? Cool. FYI, from now on I will always attempt to lynch my bro, regrardless of what role he is and what role I am. Let's just say that I have a personal grudge

Anyway, I thought that Samadhi and Chien Fou had enough backers behind them to get them either of lynched. Also, I want to see how things would develop in order to pinpoint other mistakes by the mafia in order to get an innocent lynched.

[Antrax]

Taf, you could give us the name of the innocent. The mafia have enough confirmed innocents to go on, anyhow. Another would just help our voting.
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[Taflinel]

I found Samadhi as innocent or at least not mafia.
Vote as you judge...

Ta ta

Ps. Due to some medical problems I'll probably be away for some days. I know I'll die tonight despite any sacrifices made (THX!)... If I make it (through both the problem and the night) just wait for me...

[Samadhi]

Updating the Mole-list (more useful than a mith-list)

Confirmed not-mafia by moderator: Taflinel (cop), mith (mad scientist)
Confirmed innocent by cop: DPW, Antrax, Samadhi
Polymorphed: Dragon Phoenix
Unknown: mole, ralphmerridew, mudster and sweetwater

I'll temporize with

Vote: Mole

Until/unless he less vaguely describes his alledged role.

Good luck Taf (with rl and gl)

[mole]

I'm the reporter. I investigate someone every two nights.

And I can prove it too, thanks to the mod not posting my results before.

first night I investigated mith, the mad scientist
third night Taflinel the cop
After I found the cop I decided not go check on Taf's list of innocents to see if I could catch a godfather (if there is one).
fifth night Dread Pirate Westley the ???

Unvote: Samadhi

[This message has been edited by mole (edited 02-13-2002 06:20 PM).]

[ralphmerridew]

As things stand, we have 10 people still around. As for roles, I think we still have

First, with 20 people and two groups that can kill, the game has an expected length of 7-10 rounds. We have 5 baddies dead (1 poisoner, 2 evil townies, and 2 mafias). I think more than 7 baddies would be too much for this town size, and for some reason I think the two ETs were all, so we have one mafia and the GF left.

2 mafias (based on est. 4)
3-4 masons (based on est. 4-5)
1 mad scientist
1 reporter
1 cop

That comes to 8-9 roles accounted for, with 1-2 left.

Now, assuming that the reporter is accurate, then mith & Taf are good by the reporter, and Antrax, DPW & Samadhi are good by Taf. That leaves DP, mole, mudster, myself and Sweetwater.

sweetwater gave some light evidence favoring DP & myself, and lightly opposing mudster. (Can anyone who's played with pika or jesternl confirm that they'd be very unlikely to give up a mafia role? And were they active elsewhere on GL during that time?)

mole: is suggesting he's reporter, but there is no evidence to support or oppose that other than his own words. Perhaps if he were to explain how exactly the role works, and why he thought we'd have a paper today... -- slightly favors good

(I had thought he was claiming reporter from his comment in 136: Unfortunately, suspicious as it may be, my non-posting is no indication of my mafia-ness. Rather, I didn't see the point in doing much that round - my role in this game isn't very conducive to "participat[ing] and dominat[ing] games", and required a slight change of strategy - it's better for me to lie low, at least for now, and let my actions speak for themselves.

As for sweetwater, he has been very quiet this game, having made but five posts:

p6, 215: just a vote
p6, 229: confirming that he was still in
p7, 249: started bandwagon vs. CF
p10, 393: hoped Taf found a maf
p11, 400: good analysis

I'd say only two of those posts, 249 and 400 were really significant. However, since he is currently a Schro&emul;dinger suspect, I will merely FOS: sweetwater until he defends himself.

[mole]

I didn't think anyone would get that - I'm not very good at being cryptic.

[Dread Pirate Westley]

Dread Pirate Westley, the mason. I believe it in the town's interest for my fellow masons to come forward, but I won't name them. However, given their identities, Vote: Sweetwater

[ralphmerridew]

Since DPW came forward, I suppose I should follow suit. ralphmerridew, mason And since DPW just triggered the poison if it's active, I will Vote Sweetwater.

Mole, please explain your role.

[ralphmerridew]

Sorry mole, I'd missed your post earlier about your role.

[mole]

Sure.

Every odd numbered night I send in my target. Then after the following day (and night) PP posts that person's role in the thread along with the night's deaths. Unfortunately, it appears that since I only send in an email half the time, it gets easily overlooked (hence the delay in the Taflinel report, and this one).

So we have
innocent
DPW (mason) - it'd be foolish to claim this after I said I investigated you
ralphmerridew (mason)
Taflinel (cop)
mole (reporter) - have I convinced you guys yet? or do you want to wait for the evidence?
Antrax (???)
Samadhi (???)

not innocent yet
mudster (poisoned?)
DP (poisoned?)
sweetwater (if he's poisoned, he's dead by now)

guilty
mith (mad scientist)

That's everyone.

[sweetwater]

Taflinel, I am confused with the phrase "innocent or at least not mafia".

I need help here. Instead of elaborating, though, could you just please publish verbatim the results of your inquiries, i.e., the emails you received from the mod in response to your investigations.

I am concerned that the town is being fooled by somebody.

[sweetwater]

. . . by somebody.

[sweetwater]

ISE again!

[mudster]

Hmm... interesting... this ploy has been done before in a previous mafia game... I just can't remember which one. The whole town was fooled by the Mafia/Clairvoyant and the only person who noticed it was lynched^^

[mole]

Thank you for remembering that. I'm sure Trill would appreciate your comments too, if he's still around.

But I can assure you that my role actually exists. PP isn't just giving away people's roles for the hell of it...

[Samadhi]

Unvote: Mole

I thought that's what you were hinting at. But I figured the time for hinting was over. Barring a spectacular denouciation I believe you.

Sweetwater:

[sweetwater]

In my most likely scenario, I have Samadhi as Godfather and DP as mafia. Mudster and Antrax as innocents. Assuming mole's telling the truth.

Remember that.

I'll explain later if I have time.

[Samadhi]

Oh yeah, Trill. I forgot that one. But then I tend to forget others accomplishments

Please, Sweetwater say more. I wait with baited breath.

[Samadhi]

I hate to multiple post but I just saw it at the top of this page.
Sweetwater didn't you say at the top of this page you believed DP innocent? I find your presentation of a contrary scenario (the same mafia day) without any explanation to be, shall we say...less than convincing.

[sweetwater]

"You are the CSI (Crime Scene investigator) You choose one person to investigate each night."

Of the remaining players, I found mudster and ralphmerridew innocent, Samadhi guilty. Taflinel says Samadhi is innocent. Since I'm the CSI, all information I get is accurate. While the GF is immune to cop inquiries, he is not to me.

DP then is mafia, the last one. I had less info when I thought he might be innocent.

Vote: Samadhi

[mole]

Now that I've come forward, I may as well be annoying and ask lots of questions:

If you already knew that mudster was innocent, why did you give him the Finger of Suspicion?
On a similar note, why didn't you tell us earlier that Samadhi was guilty?
Wouldn't it make more sense for a forensic scientist to investigate dead people (murder scenes) to get their information?

[mole]

What do you think of the most recent epidemic of ISEs?

[Samadhi]

Interesting. Good role. However, as I'm innocent I must assume there is either no GF or you're lying.

[ralphmerridew]

Well, Samadhi, right now DPW, mole, Sweetwater and I have put our cards on the table (or, at least, have claimed to). Your challenge on sweetwater's claims will be more credible if you do the same.


And while I believe that mole is the one responsible for the newspapers, there is a small chance that he is a mafia reporter, so I am careful not to put too much trust into what he has said. Going over the evidence:

regarding mole, I see two possibilities:
1) He is an honest reporter, who puts up the true results of his investigations.
2) He is a mafia reporter, who can investigate or make up a headline.

regarding the first headline, I do believe that mith is indeed the mad scientist; if he were not, I think that by now, there is a good chance that the real MS would have either been killed, openly contradicted mith, or polymorphed mith to expose him. (I can understand El Blobbo claiming to be MS in the other game; I can not understand why Sparhawk let us think that.) Also, PP made an out-of-game remark that there was no transformation one night because mith's email was late. While lying within the game is fair, I don't think he'd lie about something outside the game.

If mith were a mafia MS and mole were a good reporter, then I think the headline would have mentioned his mafia connections. And if mith were a mafia MS and mole were a mafia reporter, then I think that's a bit too much of an edge to the mafia. So I think mith is town-alligned.

More later.

[Antrax]

I'm already a confirmed innocent, so I might as well come forward. I am a mason. ralphsomething and DPW are two of my colleagues. I'm still not voting, I want to go over the whole thing, though I think we're in good shape.
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[ralphmerridew]

First, I will confirm that Antrax is a mason.

Next, the Taflinel headline:
If Taflinel is bad, then mole must also be bad, and either Sweetwater or Samadhi is bad. That would be eight baddies (1 poisoner, 2 ETs, 2 mafias, a mafia reporter, and 2 unclassified mafias), a bit much. (This is additional evidence against the mith & mole bad point from my last post.) So Taf is a good guy.

So I'm sure that Antrax, DPW, myself, mith, Taf, and the other mason are good guys.

If Sweetwater is a good guy, then he's a correct cop (two insane cops and one real one is not balanced.) And since he testified against Samadhi, either he or Samadhi are bad.

That leaves DP, mole, mudster, Samadhi and Sweetwater. mole and sweetwater have claimed roles; DP cannot come forward right now. mudster, Samadhi, if you are innocent, please speak out now.

[mole]

Five masons seems a bit excassive, don't you think? Though two of you have already been found innocent, so you can't both be godfathers...

So I guess there are five mafia then - three left.

[Antrax]

mith is not a mason.
There are 5 of us, though.
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[Antrax]

come to think of it, there's a lot of us confirmed innocents. We might as well just pick the unknown ones off one by one.
vote: Samadhi
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[Antrax]

vote: ISE
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[ralphmerridew]

Five mafia, two evil townies, and the poisoner? Out of 20 people?

[mole]

Well, it's very unusual to have the masons outnumber the mafia. With only four suspects left to choose from, I'd say that three of them are mafia and one is the last mason. Which means that we should remove one of the two who definitely aren't the mason:

Vote: Samadhi

sweetwater goes next round.

[Samadhi]

Fine. Mole points out how obviously flawed and fake sweetwater's role is and you won't even wait for me to tell you mine. Okay. You deserve it.

[Samadhi]

To be clear, let me rephrase.."You deserve to lose."

[mole]

But we've almost won - we have seven confirmed not mafias (if the last mason shows himself), and only three suspects left (all mafia?). We'll have to lose a round to get mith out of the way, but we'll still be ahead.