Mafia 39

[Purgation]

bah, you are just lynching an innocent, don't kill me, the town is gonna won anyway, I wanna live till the end of at least one game

[Acer]

As the chosen victim swings from the tree,
The townies all wonder who he might be?
Raiding the house, the townies can tell
That their efforts all just went down the well.

Purgation. Was. Townie.

Night, send choices (need I repeat the equation 0(email)=0(rolechange))

[Taflinel]

Bah @ us people...
And double bah on me...
Sorry Purg...

~goes back to sleep~

[Acer]

The townies wake up, hoping for an uneventful night...

But no. Mole, the nurse (aka retired doc) was found dead in a pool of blood.

'Tis day. 4 votes to kill.

[Samadhi]

You know, I keep forgetting to ask. But, Acer, who's this Marcos character?

[This message has been edited by Samadhi (edited 03-06-2002 03:41 AM).]

[Acer]

[confused]Marcos the black? Townie? Elbow typer? Sprited away by mod after email accident? Does that answer your question?[/confused] Aha @ Samadhi did i get it?

[This message has been edited by Acer (edited 03-07-2002 07:21 AM).]

[Samadhi]

I've heard of Macros the elbo typer, but Marcos? He's the elbo tpyer, what's your excuse?

[Soothsayer]

6 people left and IMO 3 could be mafia. I would like to hear arguements from:

Tafinel
Tyenar
Zephyr

as to why you are innocent. I am pretty convinced that DP and Sparhawk are innocent which leaves me wondering who out of you three is mafia.

[Taflinel]

I think it is the right time to reveal myself and my information...
On day/night 1 I was the Mafia Spy. Able to check one person to be a cop and vote to kill someone like normal Mafia.
Afterwards, I took the role of the (living) cop and checked...

PuzzleProdigy
Porro
Soothsayer
Mudster
Tyenar
Dragon Phoenix

All innocent except for Mudster...
I think that explains my (wrong I admit) vote for Purgation last round...
With that said I'll Vote: Zephyr

Ta ta

[Zephyr]

Whatever, Soothsayer. Like I said, I was an original mason (DP can verify) the first night and townie right after.

Vote : Soothsayer
FOS : Taflinel

[Dragon]

Post 430 by Taflinel:

quote:

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Dragon Phoenix (Original Mason)
Mole (Innocent by CF)
Purgation
Sparhawk (Innocent by CF)
Soothsayer
Taflinel (Innocent by CF)
Tyenar
Zephyr (Original mason)

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Post 448 by Taflinel:

quote:

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Afterwards, I took the role of the (living) cop and checked...
PuzzleProdigy
Porro
Soothsayer
Mudster
Tyenar
Dragon Phoenix

All innocent except for Mudster...

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On face value, indeed, Zephyr would be a reasonable choice. However, doesn't that mean that he ouwld be the only remaining mafia? I don't think that adds up. We have killed 3 mafia, and for a game of this size, I expect a 5 players mafia gang.

We also should be aware that roles could change, although we assume on the evidence so far that once a good guy always a good guy.

If there are indeed 2 mafia left, we cannot afford any mistake.

FOS anyone posting a vote without thinking this one through

[Dragon]

I am inclined to think that Taflinel and Soothsayer are the remaining mafia.

It is probably best to eliminate Soothsayer. If he is mafia, Taflinel lied and the town wins after one more killing at night. If he is not mafia, Taflinel was right and Zephyr is the last mafia, once again the town wins.

Lets' have a discussion on this, instead of votes.

[Taflinel]

On your argument for "once a good guy always a good guy" You have it right in front of ya...
I was the mafia spy in the first night and then the good cop...

I'm having second thoughts on Chienfou's reports...

Dear DP, can you confirm that Zephyr *is* or *was* a mason?

For the time being I think you are correct, let's talk...
I will Unvote:Zephyr but he has my FOS...

Ta ta

[Tyenar]

We have killed 4 mafia, Logan's role of the assassin was a mafia member who could kill once in the game on his own.

Based on that it would be more likely that Zephyr is mafia than any other theory.
Vote: Zephyr

BTW, Taf, is that the order that you checked everyone?


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[Tyenar]

Actually, to take DP's advice and not cause a bandwagon without due discusion
Unvote: Zephyr

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[Dragon Phoenix]

The original three masons were mith, Zephyr and myself. After the first night, Raist replaced Zephyr in the lodge. There were no further changes. Raist and mith died as a mason, I have always been a mason.

25 players, 5-6 mafia I would say, so 5+1 still sounds plausible.

I maintain that we need to be careful, because if there are 2 more mafia out there we can't afford a mistake. If there is one left we can make a wrong call now, if that gives us sufficient information for the final round.

Personally, I think switching someone from mason to mafia gives them an undue advantage. So I think Zephyr is innocent.

[Sparhawk]

Taflinel admitted to being a Mafia Spy who became a Cop. If he is telling the truth, then it seems likely that Mudster became the Mafia Spy. The important point is either the balance of roles changed, or a townie became a mafia member.

What this means, unfortunately, is that anyone who was cleared early in the game could have become a mafia member after that. I don't know how likely that is (hopefully not very!) but it is possible.

I will have to re-read the thread (sigh...) before I vote. Hopefully something will become clearer.

[Zephyr]

I can accept that the mafia spy became a townie because the spy probably didn't know any other mafia, otherwise mudster wouldn't have needed to post his information before being lynched.

*THINK* people. If an innocent could become a regular mafia, then that means regular mafia could become innocent. If that happened to me, I would IMMEDIATELY rat out my former compatriots.. wouldn't you. Sure they might have changed roles but role changing seemed to be pretty infrequent and that would be a good basis to start lynching anyway.

It was also stated that certain roleS wouldn't change. We know of *ONE*. We know that the masons, cops, spies, vigilantes, etc. DO change. What does that leave? C'mon, do you need any more evidence?

[Tyenar]

I thought in this game that none of the mafia knew each other besides the godfather, and he didn't switch.

A quote from Acer's origional post in his sign up thread

[Soothsayer]

Is there a Godfather left?

This is quite critical as early on in the game we lynched one. Can there be two - if so all the investigations are worthless.

We need an answer from the mod...NOW!

[Acer]

I cannot confirm the existance of another godfather. There is only speculation at this point.

[Soothsayer]

thats ridiculous. Without knowing whether we have or haven't killed the Godfather makes the whole point of having a cop a waste of time. This is critical information and should be explained.

[Tyenar]

another quote by Acer, this time discribing DPW's role as mafia leader (my bolding of course):

[Tyenar]

One more thing, since Acer posted origionally that the godfather doesn't switch roles we don't have to worry about anyone [edit] who's role we have found out [/edit] being the godfather. Now like DP said there still might be two mafia men yet, so lets not just start voting, but we know that any origional roles can not be the godfather (ie DP and zephyr) even if they are now mafia.

Personally though I would think that there is just the godfather left.

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[This message has been edited by Tyenar (edited 03-07-2002 03:04 PM).]

[Taflinel]

Firstly, to answer Tyenar's question, the order I gave is the one I made the investigations.
Secondly, I was mistaken to think that MafiaLeader=Godfather and quickly leave the "innocents" aside.

Dear Soothsayer...am I wrong to give you a FOS?

Ta ta

[Sparhawk]

I finally made it through all the posts. I agree 100% with the previous posts that there is a godfather left, and I tend to think that there are no other mafia. I also agree that anyone with a confirmed town role at one point is in the clear. Those people are:

Dragon Phoenix (Mason)
Taflinel (Nurse, former)
Zephyr (Mason, former)

That leaves three people as possible godfathers:

Soothsayer
Sparhawk
Tyenar

[Note: if there are two mafia left, we have to get one today or we lose. However, I don't think there are two left.]

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any information available to narrow down the list. My gut feeling is that it is Soothsayer, but I have to admit that is not based on any hard facts.

Anyways, someone needs to get the ball rolling. So I will...

Vote: Soothsayer

If anyone has any more information or disagrees with my analysis, please let me know. I don't want to make a stupid mistake at this point.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I agree, but I will wait a few hours with my vote, in case someone else comes with new insights.

Finger of accusation to be turned into a vote later: Soothsayer

And your hotdogs suck anyway.

[Acer]

Since you forced me to, I'm summerizing all *official* info from this thread and the signup thread. It would be unfair to since you would speculate based on what I say otherwise.

Each day after the lynching, I use a randomiser once for each player to determine whether his role will be swapped. All people selected in this way will have their roles reshuffled with each other randomly. Some roles do not swap.

The mafia are "blind". A mafia ringleader exists (correction: exsisted) who knows who the mafia are and can talk to the godfather. A godfather exists who knows who the mafia are and can talk to the mafia ringleader. Both roles do not swap.

Thats all you get from me today.

[This message has been edited by Acer (edited 03-08-2002 06:21 AM).]

[Acer]

Vote count

Soothsayer (2):

Zephyr
Sparhawk

[Acer]

I Snog Elayne!

Why do I feel like I'm playing Alibi?

[Soothsayer]

OK - I am now forced to reveal my role. I am a cop - if you check out my posts they completely back this up.

Since the role change I have checked the following people and have found them to be innocent:
Antrax - now dead
DP
Mole - now dead
Sparhawk

Hence why I said earlier I need proof from Taffinel, Tyenar and Zephyr.

Why do you think I would make such a fuss about the existance or not of a Godfather if I wasn't a cop.

I needed to know whether my role was any use. With a Godfather listed as killed on page one I thought that I could narrow it down to one of three people as to who is mafia. Seeing as there is all probability a new Godfather, that makes my investigations somewhat useless.

However, it doesn't make my powers of observation redundant.

I have a strong suspicion of guilt towards DP.

Question for you - if you were mafia would you kill off the players who tend to be good at this game. Get rid of the people who are most likely to figure out who the mafia is? Of course you would.

DP falls into the sad category of someone who normally wouldn't still be alive at this stage of the game unless they are mafia.

Vote: DP

[Soothsayer]

acually on further reflection of previous posts - DP continues his claim to be a mason (can anyone back that up) - it should be OK at this late stage. For your sake I hope there are other masons still alive.

The only other person who consistently comes up as suspicious is Tyenar. For the meanwhile I will change my vote but I would like to see someone back DP

unvote: DP (but would like to see a mason back him up
vote: Tyenar (consistently on everyones suspicion list)

[Zephyr]

Geez Soothsayer. We know that DP can't be the godfather because he was an original mason. Besides, we know that there is exactly 1 mason left, if DP wasn't the current mason, we'd know by now.

Confirm vote : Soothsayer

[Tyenar]

My defense. I actually wrote it down on a kleenex incase this occasion might arise. Note however that the strength of the kleenex has nothing to do with the strength of my innocence, but just the strength of the argument I have to prove it. ~*Steps up on a box and pulls out a tissue*~ I have been, am and at this rate always will be a townie. My role has never changed, and I have absolutly no powers what so ever, thank you. ~*Steps down off of box and blows his nose at his moving speach*~

Anyways, on to important things. I think it is funny that Soothsayer would come out with the fact that he was a cop after we realize that all investagations are worthless and not when we thought it mattered. My only thought would be that either he is stupid, or he is the godfather.

No vote for now though, I will go along with the town if we reach a concensus.

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[Soothsayer]

That confirms my suspicions - Tyenar is mafia

I plead to the rest of the town - do not be fooled and jump on the bandwagon because it is easy.

I am the cop - examine my posts and this backs up what I have said. I corrected my error about DP and changed my vote.

[Taflinel]

Taffinel is here?
Who's that Taffinel Soothsayer?
Do you know something that I don't?
Vote: Soothsayer

Seriously though... I think it is more than obvious that he is trying to make a desperate attempt to save his behind. I think we have only the godfather left. That is because I've checked almost all of the non-confirmed roles and they appeared innocent. As I said in a previous post, it's up to you if you believe CF or not...
Could we please get over with this?

Ta ta

[Dragon Phoenix]

I see nothing to change my mind.

Vote Soothsayer

[Tyenar]

Even though he is already as good as lynched, might as well join in...

Vote: Soothsayer

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[Acer]

Soothsayer is dead. His badge is enough evidence that he was cop.

Night. Send choices.

[Ghost of Soothsayer]

Bah