Newb mafia 4 - the game

[Stile]

Confirmed Innocents (5)
Degenerate - mason
Endymion's Fall - mason
LocoLobo - towny
mith - mason
ralphmerridew - mason

Others (2 townies, 2 mafia)
Alfie
Sparticus
Stile
Zealot

Vote: Alfie

May change my vote once the mason's choose who's next. Probably will as long as they don't choose me :]

Who do I think the other innocent is? Obviously either Sparticus or Zealot. I havn't decided which one yet though.

[ralphmerridew]

Well, I decided to dig out the lynch votes from the first few days. Maybe we can try to reason something out of people's behavior instead of just lynching guys at random until we finish. I mean, ending with two townies alive is technically a victory, but it doesn't feel like one.

Day 1 (AFI): Antrax, Annoyingpest, mith, Alfie, LL, EF, Stile, Sparticus

Day 2 (Purg): Zealot, AP, LL, mith, (Stile said he'd wait for Purg to post), (Purg made his sarcastic "I'm the godfather - NOT" post), Digglu, Alfie (until Purg defends himself), Sparhawk, (FOS from Zealot), Alfie (with an FOS to AB)

Day 3 (AB): CC, Stile, Sparhawk, (Stile unvotes), Magness, Alfie, LL, (AB claims to be a cop), (Sparhawk unvotes), (CC confirms), (Stile followed AB's vote for Degenerate).

Day 4 (Digglu): Degenerate, LL, rm, Sparhawk, mith, Sparticus, Magness

Day 5 (Sparhawk): mith, Zealot, (CC comes out), EF, Stile, rm, Sparticus, LL

Each one lists who jumped on&off the bandwagons each day in order (except the first four on day 1 may be in the wrong order).

I'll go over the early posts looking for any interesting behaviors later today.

[Stile]

ARRRRRgggggghhhhhhh!!!

All my posts today seem to want to stay hidden.

[Stile]

ISE!!!

[mith]

Vote: Alfie

Doesn't matter much at this point, we're just playing for as many survivors as possible.

[Degenerate]

As it seems, in one of the previous days, one of the mafia must have voted for a fellow mafia member. I was thinking about voting for someone who didn't vote for both Sparhawk or AB, but according to the remaining "unconfirmed innocents," someone did vote for their fellow mafioscum. Because of this, my calculations are going off track!

*Goes off to search for enlightenment

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You all stare, but you'll never see...there's something inside me..

[mith]

actually, I am going to go with Vote: Sparticus, with Zealot next on my list. Alfie and Stile both voted for AB before he came out as a cop.

[Zealot]

I have looked through this thread again, and I believe that Stile is innocent. The main reason for this is that he tends not to jump on bandwagons often. When he has voted for people in the past, he votes based on whether he thought they were mafia, and sticks to his arguments. I think the best example of this was his long arguments with Endymion's Fall, and his arguments seem sincere. I think that of the four of us, he is most likely town, and has contributed the most.

My top suspect is Sparticus. Early on in the game, he voted for many different people, yet posted very little. He usually posted little or no logic behind his votes, and was quick to vote/unvote. I am unsure quite what to think of Alfie, but he may very well be mafia, as he, Sparticus, Sparhawk, and art begotti all remained rather quiet for most of the game.

As for myself at the beginning of the game, I was a bit overwhelmed. This is the first mafia game I have joined, and looks to be the first I'll complete. That is the only reason I can give for my own infrequent posting in the first few pages, but each time I voted I thought out my argument and posted my logic behind it. If it was refuted to what I believed to be a reasonable amount of doubt, I would unvote. This is more than I can say of those such as art begotti and Sparticus, as they tended to avoid long confrontations with anyone that might draw attention to themselves.

Vote: Sparticus
FOS: Alfie

I suspect I'll be next on the lynching list after Sparticus, mainly because of my quietness early on. When I turn out to be innocent, do me a favor and lynch Alfie before Stile .

[Sparticus]

Wow! I have received my first two votes!

Yes, Zealot, I have posted little with little reasoning, but this is my first mafia game as well. I was a bit tentative about saying things, yes, but that was because I had very little that was helpful to say. Also, I did not vote for art begotti because, although I didn't believe him when he said he was a cop, I figured that we could lynch him the next day when we were sure.


[This message has been edited by Sparticus (edited 02-28-2002 03:57 PM).]

[Stile]

Unvote: Alfie
Vote: Sparticus

Sparticus:

[Stile]

Invincible Superior Exoskeleton

[Captain Canada]

Ghostly whoooooooooossshhhhhhh
Ooooooooh, scared you!

See, I'm not really dead, just pretending. You don't think that a super hero like me could be killed eh?
I'm just on my way back to Ontarius Prime, and I wish all my fellow townies good luck.
I still hate mafia though.
Pah!

Shivvery whooooooooooooossshhhhhhh

[b]

[LocoLobo]

Straight forward bandwagon vote. I'll follow mith. Vote Sparticus. Goes off to look for pizza.

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Manana, Hasta manana

[Alfie]

I realize ending the game with one townie is technically winning, but we can do better than that. Lets lynch mafia and not townsfolk. It doesn't matter much now since we are about to win, but I have been FOSed. I *am* a normal townie. The everyday quiver in bed at night type. If I were mafia, would I have voted against AB? Would I have pointed the finger at him for lying low? No. As far as I am concerned I have a 2/3 chance of lynching a mafia. Since Sparticus is on the lynching block, I will give the final vote: Sparticus.

[Soothsayer]

Sparticus is put before the gallows - lynched to pay for the murders in the once quiet village of Messina. But is he guilty of the crimes you have accused him of?
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Yes - well done.

Mafia Sparticus has been lynched - it is now night - emails please deadline Monday 4 March 9am GL time

[Sparticus]

Bah...I need to play more mafia games to get used to it.

Good job, town. Go, last mafia member! Survive to the end!

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"'Tis better to be thought an idiot than to open one's mouth and erase all doubt...No, my mouth was not open."

[mith]

He can't really help surviving to the end, can he?

[wordcross]

lol. You guys already have 15 pages and have only killed off about half the people! We just finished Pokemafia and we only have 14! (I won, btw ) Congrats to Mith and Vinny for not dying until the very bitter end! (Makes it snow in newbie town with his Articuno freeze powers!)

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SHUT UP! You're disturbing our RIOT!

I am also: Magus, Scimitar, Qirat, Sivat.
Happy now?

[mith]

That's 'cause no one posted in PokeMaf most of the game, while Antrax and I had a 4 page arguemnt in the first day alone over here

[Degenerate]

O yeah, lol.

[Soothsayer]

The sun rises and inhabitants of Messina decide to gather in the town hall to see whether anyone is missing. Surely there are no mafia members left!

Unfortunately there must be for LocoLobo is missing.

Upon further investigation, LocoLobo is found with a bullet wound to his head.

Townie LocoLobo is dead. Please vote - deadline Friday 8 March, 11am GL tim

[Blue Spaniel]

[AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Hotdog salesman]

Gives all dogs in the GL a hotdog to commiserate the passing of LocoLobo

[ralphmerridew]

Puts a box of LocoLobo's favorite dog biscuits besides his grave.

I've got to say that for quite some time, I've been rather suspicious of Stile. There's just something that bothers me about his logic. Therefore I will Vote Alfie

(Hey, I was real suspicious of CC, LL, Digglu, and I thought AB was innocent. I'm not going to put much trust into my instincts at the point.)

[Ghost Post]

Poor Locolobo, all he ever wanted was a slice of pizza...

Today is going to be an interesting day. Only Alfie, Stile and Zealot remain as suspects.

Alfie provided some interesting material against Art Begotti that showed a keen insight into AB's character (p353). He provided what proved to be some pretty damning evidence against AB. If his monitor hadn't broke, I'm sure he would have been a bit more critical of other people as well.

Despite all the grief and heartache that Stile has put me through, Stile has always been up-front and vocal about his suspicions (even though, for the most part, he's been wrong! ). I think Zealot's unasked for defense of Stile summed him up quite well, actually.

Unfortunately, this leaves Zealot, whom I thought for the entire game has been the most reasonable, least likely to be mafia person here. He's not contributed as much as Stile or Alfie, but what he has said has always been reasonable (IMO).

This leaves me dazed and confused. :\

Would anyone like to do a bit of character assassination to help me out?

ps. see the end of p349 for something interesting.

[mith]

I'll Vote: Zealot, for the reason stated above. I figure if I was right with Sparticus, I might be right with him too.

You three are welcome to defend yourselves, though.

[Ghost Post]

Oh, Stile, I almost forgot to write up the reasons behind my suspicious behaviour.

I came into the game with the idea that if I were to participate in each lynching with reason and logic to back me up, I'd be picked as a nice, good townie fairly early on, so would be able to avoid lynchings.

Then I had a thought that good townies also make good murder victims. I thought it would be a good idea to say a few things that might attract suspicion, so that the mafia would have a reason to keep me around.

My theory which basically pointed the finger at you (Stile) was probably around the point where I decided not to be completely good.

It wasn't all on purpose, though. For example, my argument with Captain Canada was real enough, though in my defense I'd like to say it was really, really late and I might have written all that stuff in a delerious fit brought on by sleep deprivation.

So, there you have it

[Zealot]

Well, about all I can do now is Vote: Alfie. As mith has now voted for me, I am likely to be the next lynched anyway, so this looks to be about it for me this game. I was so looking forward to winning my first game, too. Ah well, there's always Electoral, WoT, Verbose, and Bladerunner.

For those of you who would care to hear my pathetic excuse for why I acted so suspiciously above (i.e. my defense of Stile), here it is. The simple fact is that if Stile is mafia, he has me quite fooled, and if this is the case, I congratulate him for it. The reason I posted about this is that I happened to be in a particularly bad bout of insomnia (note that my post before was quite early in the morning that same day), and after 65 hours without sleep, I somehow got it into my head to share my wonderful (LOL) ideas with you people. I'll shut up now, you can commence with lynching me.

[Stile]

OK, so I went through the beginning of the thread looking at Alfie and Zealot. Did you know that their voting patterns were very similar? Every time I thought I "had" one of them, the other went and did the exact same thing... uncanny. AND, both got the hanged-man card once in the two tarot readings (if you're into that sorta thing). If one of them didn't have to be innocent, I'd swear they were acting together...

Weird, this goes against my gut feeling, but my "evidence" points this way. Read on to see why I

Vote: Zealot

The good stuff starts around page 8-10 or so... the day AB's lynched and possibly even the day before. This is the juicy stuff with the godfather on the line. First off, there's mith's info: Zealot did not vote against AB. This makes him look bad, and since Alfie did vote against AB, it makes him look good. BUT, Sparhawk (or maybe it was Sparticus... one of the S-guys, anyway), a KNOWN mafia also voted against AB. I think this nullify's the bad stuff against Zealot and the good stuff for Alfie.

So what to look at? Well, the previous day, when I started the whole thing against AB, Alfie and Zealot both FOS's him. Actually, Zealot FOS's him and then Alfie Mighty FOS's him. Then AB makes some huge post defending himself (R349). At the beginning of this, he only adresses the post to me and Alfie ("forgetting" that Zealot isn't really against him?). At the end of this he FOS's me and Zealot and votes against Alfie. I read this as "covering his bases", that is, at least FOS'ing everyone who's suspicious against him. But the vote for Alfie, I think, is just a random "vote for the non-mafia" (which is me and either Zealot or Alfie). Since I know I'm town, I have to believe this is evidence that points to the fact that Alfie is also town.

I don't know why I "feel" Zealot is innocent, his backing me up is probably getting to me. But this "evidence" is the best I have, so I'm inclined to go along with it.

Oh, and I should note that I didn't read any more of the thread past the AB lynching incident.. it's late and I have a midterm tomorrow.

[Soothsayer]

Voting update:

2 - Zealot - Mith, Stile
2 - Alfie - ralphmerridew, Zealot

not voted:
Alfie
Degenerate
Endymion's Fall

4 required to lynch

[Degenerate]

I will go with my former suspicions and Vote: Alfie

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It's not like you killed someone

[Stile]

Looks like EF's gonna have the "deciding vote". Assuming, of course, that Alfie votes for Zealot.

Oh, and thanks for the info EF.

[MahlemuitSpectre]

AHHWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PS The whole DogPack is very touched by your kindness to the late lamented lazy latino.

[Ghost Post]

Alright. I tend to agree that Alfie and Zealot are the suspects. Out of those two, I was sorta leaning towards Zealot (you can sorta read that into my post above).

It's funny, though, because Zealot would have been my pick for Cop earlier in the game. Why? because he's been a good townie for the entire game... and hasn't been murdered for it (though, admittedly, the opportunities were rare in this game).

Now, if I were mafia pretending to be a Good Townie, I think the steps I'd take would be: Don't get into any fights, try not to say anything particularly stupid, and don't do anything else that might peak anyone's suspicions.

So, I will Vote Zealot based on him being the best Good Townie out of the choices that are available.

Hope I'm right! Sorry Zealot if I'm not.

[Soothsayer]

voting update:

3 - Zealot - Mith, Stile, Endymion's Fall
3 - Alfie - ralphmerridew, Zealot, Degenerate

not voted:
Alfie

4 required to lynch

[ralphmerridew]

My logic against Alfie applies equally well to Zealot, so I'll Unvote: Alfie, Vote: Zealot

[Degenerate]

This could be do or die for the mafia.

[Zealot]

Well, that's the end of that. And a "Good Townie" bites the dust.

Good luck to the town in tomorrow's lynching...

[Alfie]

A rather intense day today. I would like to state that I have nothing to do with Stile. He is defending me, a fact that I appreciate as far as it goes. Zealot is defending Stile and Stile is defending me. I understand the predicament Stile is claiming to have. Since he is defending me, I don't feel like he is mafia. I am inclined to vote Zealot. I have to look at actions though. I note that AB FOSed all three of us and voted me. I didn't worry about it because it was obviously a revenge vote. Later he changed his vote to Stile. Zealot was not voted. Since obviously one of us (Zealot, Stile, or I) is mafia, I suggest that Zealot is mafia because AB didn't vote for him. Likewise, I figured that ABs vote for me was "vote for someone they might actually kill". When he switched it to Stile, I think he was voting for the person most likely to get people to kill him. Your comment about rants is well taken though. Mafia don't get into rants if they can help it. Especially when there isn't a clear person to lynch. In my own defense, I was pretty darn caustic to AB. I don't know if he was under the guise of infrequent access or not. I know that he was mafiascum of the highest order. I will be surprised if this game continues beyond this night. Particularly because as I reviewed this thread, I noticed that Zealot has already been lynched. There is no reason to vote at this point, but I will assist by tieing the noose. Vote: Zealot In a few hours, I will know for absolute certain who the remaining mafia is. I currently believe it is Zealot. As for Stile, he is nearly as much of a "good townie" as Zealot is but he has gotten in a few fights. All in all, I support Stile over Zealot. If Stile is mafia, he has my congratulations. (Note that at this point, it doesn't really matter who I support. I will know very shortly. I just want to be able to say I had at least an inkling in the right direction. So far I have helped lynch two mafia, one of whom I argued against and another who I gave the final vote against. I want to have a more than 50% rating. )

[Soothsayer]

And so Zealot was brought before the gallows. The town are confident that they have captured the last remaining mafia member.

"Any last words?" the town asks

"I'm not mafia - you've got it all wrong" replies a very upset Zealot

All to no avail - you have lynched poor innocent townie Zealot

Townie Zealot has been lynched - it is now night - emails please - deadline Friday 8th March - 11am GL time