Bladerunner Mafia

[Handsome Dan]

I don't think Sam went over the edge at all. We were paralyzed as far as killing replicants went. Even if you had not come out I don't know if mith would have responded to orders to kill. the fact that he could ignore our requests made it difficult to get rid of replicants.

Why did we kill you? Well we weren't sure what was going on ourselves. I personally believed everything you said (except about how you killed crazycellist I), but the problem was hat too many of the corp were under suspiscion. Radwulf and OCular Gold were looking suspiscious, and we didn't know that DP and OG would not be revealed as corp, and instead be presented as bar-employees (DP, was that the result of you being the PR manager?).

Even if your plan fell through Antrax (which I don't think it would have, it was just as easy to prove as it was to disprove), you are a dangerous character to have around. All that telling the truth stuff got on my nerves , and you were the most vocal replicant. You would find logic to justify what was happening; after all, with DP, OG, and radwulf dead, you just had to find one more code. How long it would take you to find me is arguable (out of curiosity, did you believe my role?), but it would probably have the same result with mith and mole killing everyone. I hadn't even guessed that they would win independantly.

[Handsome Dan]

OG, I think I agreed to it, I didn't think it was a bad idea. Antrax was a nuisance, and it would just look like a no kill if we failed anyhoo. Though we were entirely unprepared when you actually did die, our assassin had "a high probability of killing a human, and a proportionally low chance of killing a replicant." In hindsight we should have been going after the replicants with our assassin the whole game, if they died off, this game would be much simpler.

Sam how did you calculate whether or not our assassin would kill a replicant?

PS I agree, this is the best game I've ever been in. Thumbs up Samadhi!

[This message has been edited by Handsome Dan (edited 05-27-2002 03:06 PM).]

[quercitron]

So, who wins? The way it looks:

mith and mole: WIN
Corp: LOSS because bad and didn't survive
Replicants: WIN because on Town's side? But mith and mole had own agenda
Townies: WIN because on Town's side? But mith and mole had own agenda.

I guess congratulations to mith and mole. And Samadhi for making this an excellent game.

q

[Antrax]

As far as I'm concerned, I've won. All the corp members are dead. Nothing in my win condition said anything about me living.
Handsome Dan, no I didn't believe you. Then again, I was in a paranoid state of mind, so I also suspected mith, mole and even Bremmer. Dunno if it counts
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[makemeok]

[quercitron]

The replicants won if we killed all the Corp and got all the codes, and then convinced the Town we were not a threat.

So, we killed the Corp, got the codes, and looks like we're not a threat anymore...

We must have won too!

[makemeok]

everybody wins. best mafia ever.

[Samadhi]

Whew! Go to sleep and look what happens.
ralphmeridew: A complete role description would take some time. I'll do a brief one after I get through this round of questions.

Improbable: It would have been a replicant/town win.

jesternl: Why? Because JF died. One would die at random each night after he died. Suicide or maintainance, whichever.

Zealot: Sweetwater was similar to the Asian guy at the very beginning of the film running a little kiosk. He was a cook and an owner. Antrax's investigative powers were limited. He was basically looking for allies. Unfortunately there was only one; Mudster. He had a chance of determining if someone was artificial.

Handsome Dan: If you, mith and mole had been left and there were no votes cast it would have been a corp win. I'll post the odds with the role descriptions.

Antrax: You didn't win because you are dead and the secret of the corp has not been revealed to the world. You could have if mith and mole had let Zephyr live though.

[crazycellist]

I have to say that despite dying twice fast, I thoroughly enjoyed this game. I've been reading it ever since I died.

And I have to say I feel completely justified for all my distrust of the replicants, given that they killed me...

But I guess they were right that the corps corresponded much more closely to mafia than the replicants did, since the corps had to kill all the townies and the replicants didn't. My thoughts on this game are that mith had an enormous amount of power to decide the outcome, by throwing his support to either the corp or the replicants, plus the fact that as a "cop" type, we trusted him. I wonder what would have happened if he'd died the first day...

My question... in my original role description as a waiter, I was told that "sometimes I would see things". What would this have been used for (e.g. what kind of info would I have gotten) and what were my odds of doing so? All I know is that I hadn't heard anything by the time I died...

[Handsome Dan]

Sorry cellist, that was my idea. :-[

I think mith was a bit powerful too, as long as he came out as a cop, he would win the game. Neither the replicants nor the corp had good reason to kill him (though my compatriots sometimes seemed to think otherwise :-p). Sam, if I tried to kill mith with the replicant assassin, would he die? In the movie it was up in the air as to whether or not he was a replicant...

[Samadhi]

Corp:
Tyrell, Simons and Owens were Tyrell executives and Bryant was their man in the force. Each time one of them died a replicant would get a code. Not very good security but a mod does what he can
The corp could choose to send a "killer replicant" to kill each night. Here are the odds for a kill:
Human/Rachael/Automaton 100%
Mary 90%
Pris 75%
Zhora 50%
Leon 25%
Roy 10%
I hinted that the odds were worse than that to try to get them to work with Deckard.
The corp could instead choose to send a kill to Deckard. The choice was his on whether to follow it or not. This gave them the opportunity to determine whose side he was on.
Bryant could communicate with Deckard using a secret code word. I added this for the confusion factor, an opportunity for the corp to make deals with Deckard and as a possible method of betrayal (the other corp members were not told of his ability.)

Renegades:
They could either send Pris out to check for allies or they could send out someone to kill. Once Pris found JF they could send him a name through me (I didn't want full comms and I wanted to keep the renegades on edge. I believe this kept them from fully trusting JF). Pris also had a chance to find out if someone was an automaton or replicant.
The chances for a successful kill was
Mary 20%
Pris 40%
Zhora 60%
Leon 80%
Roy 100%

Deckard:
His job was to kill replicants. But he was getting tired of it. Each night he could choose to check someone to see if they were a replicant or just go blazing at them. If he attacked someone without knowing they were a replicant there was a 75% chance of killing them. If he knew the target was a replicant it was 100%. He would never kill a human or automaton. However, his love interest was out there and he might kill her inadvertantly. If he found her he could choose to communicate at night. Rachael could influence Deckard to help the replicants. I was never clear with him whether he could trust either group, I told him he had to determine that himself.
As an additional influence for him to investigate I told him there was a chance he could get killed while attacking a replicant if he didn't know who the target was. I neglected to tell him the chance was zero

Rachael:
She was tasked by Tyrell to help Deckard whether he wanted it or not. Until he found him she could only investigate at night. After she found him she could also choose to protect him. Rachael knew the corp didn't have to kill her. But she wasn't sure about Deckard and she was pissed off at Tyrell for treating her like an object.
Protection worked as follows:
"Killer replicant" - blocked
Renegade chances reduced by 50%. If blocked there was a 50% chance of killing the renegade, if the kill was still successful there was a 50% chance Rachael would die as well.

Dr. Wheeler/JF Sebastian: They could choose to protect someone each night. Wheeler protected humans and JF protected non-humans. Neither of them was told the targets status. JF was told he was sympathetic to the replicants.

Holden: Could use a portable Voight-Kompff on people. He would receive a percentage chance they were replicant. He got a 0-75% result +50% if the target were a replicant. Anything >=100% would be told to him as a certainty.

Gaff: night he could investigate someone and was always given accurate information. The amount of information he got depended on a rand() score but was pretty discretionary on my part. He never got any information about human/replicant. He also had a 5% cumulative chance each night of learning that the corp was actually around and was setting everyone up. Amazingly after 7 rounds (he died on the 8th) he did not hit the jackpot.

Automatons: Masons. Didn't know they weren't human.

Townies: Each would see certain kills or investigations. Like Macros saw the Mudster kill and Sweetwater saw (but chose not to mention) the Crazycellist kill. The names (apart from Deetchum) were anagrams of the replicants names. I lost these when I lost my e mail. Very annoying.

ESPER:
ESPER was on the town's side. However, her programming limited her.
As a surprise to the CORP any role they BSd ESPER would repeat. If Radwulf had not admitted who he was, Mole would have been able to figure that out (he knew could not mistake Tyrell). ESPER would not give any physical evidence to describe the death she would only parrot what the person said. DP's role was able to be expanded upon because the identity was in her databanks (good job DP!).

Note: It was very distressing when my computer crashed. My notes consisted of my spreadsheet and the e mails I had sent and one or two word files. I lost all of that. Some of the players assisted me by sending me their e mails as requested. Others chose not to help for whatever reason.

[Samadhi]

And definitely one for the "Great Quotes". On night 6, Mole sent me the message:
"Rachael will investigate Purgation. Mhoram will research the krill."

[Samadhi]

Handsome Dan: Yes, he would have died unless Rachael was protecting him.

[sketchwick]

Samadhi, my question about who was posting as ESPER was only to remind you that you aren't a bad writer at all, ESPER was just SO ejoyable, but I would have been happy if ESPER had iradiated people at ngiht for talking...

skechwick

[Samadhi]

Sketchwick: Oh. Well that was so....dry. Not like mith's or DP's scenes. Those are well done.

[Zealot]

You have my thanks as well Samadhi, as this was the most interesting and most fun game I have yet played in. It'll be tough to top the feeling I got that night when I realized that I might be the first to catch a corp, and his name was DP...

An aside to HD, I never in a million years would have investigated you. I even think I would have investigated mith before you .

[mole]

I would have investigated you. In fact I did and started this whole thing.

[Samadhi]

Thank you everyone. The praise is very nice to hear.

[Handsome Dan]

[Dragon Phoenix]

Great game - and I was lucky that my invented role (which I googled into) was so successful. Although not successful enough....

[mudster]

Great game. I still haven't won though ~_~

BTW, who killed me?

[Samadhi]

The Corp

[Soothsayer]

great game and nice twists

[mole]

"You have discovered the secret of the krill. They are the principal food source of baleen whales"

[The Cheshire Man]

Well, for one thing, it was the most frustrating game I've ever played. I would have bet a fortune that Antrax and the other replicants were lying through their teeth. A note to future game designers: if you are going to tell everyone that a role or group of roles is evil, but make it to that they are really good guys, there needs to be some way for the other players to figure this out. In this game, it just so happens there was a way to figure it out: it just didn't happen until the same night I ceased to function.

My sincere apologies to Antrax for not believing him, though.

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Does the phrase "phrases that do not describe themselves" describe itself or not? '>'

[Soothsayer]

Samadhi - in my email you said that "occasionally I might see things" - but you didn't explain what I needed to do to have this ability.

Now this game is over, what was the secret?

[jesternl]

Had a bit of time to go over things here..

[Zealot]

http://www.greylabyrinth.com/Forums/Forum9/HTML/000795-20.html
Reply 802.

It was ralphmerridew who ended his last few posts with some kind of code that I didn't understand. I assumed it had to do with the fact that the JF Sebastian automatons were slowly dying without him alive, but we'll have to ask him.

[Mentat]

Great game! Obviously helped by the fact that BR is on of my favourite films. Knowing the film obviously helped me follow the game, but there were a few twists.

BTW, does Antrax ever claim to have "lost" a game? I don't know, but I would have lynched him early doors.

[Mentat]

Oh, and this game inspired me to sign up for my first mafia game (Newbie 5). So, that is a compliment, Samahdi, since I didn't fancy joining a game before.

Sam - well done.

[ralphmerridew]

So somebody did recognize my comments.

By that day, TH & TCM had shut down, and I realized I was next. So I put commands that were run at shutdown into my posts, representing that Steve was shutting down. (If you can't find them, they were probably destroyed by the problems with the thread.

[Samadhi]

[OcularGold]

sama - sorry, but i deleted your e-mails. i hope you didnt need them too much..

i was the one with the idea to kill mith around night 4 when i realized he wouldn't cooperate with us. I was hoping that would turn the town against the replicants.. im still curious as to how that would have turned out. overall, though, im doubting it would have done much. the town (at least from my perspective), seemed to eat up everything the replicants said. i couldnt believe it.

[Antrax]

Mentat, I've lost every game in which the group I belonged to failed to fulfill its winning conditions. For example: Alien Mafia (I was a runner, eaters won), Russian Mafia (I was Rasputin, Anastasia died), Mafia 12 (I was a traitor, the town won).
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[Porro]

I'm getting withdrawl symptoms

ESPER: Can we carry on playing please?

[Samadhi]

Antrax, I think EVERYONE has lost every game in which the group they belonged to failed to fulfill its winning conditions.

[Antrax]

...I know. See Mentat's post. He was hinting that maybe I always warp my grasp of reality so that I'd have won retroactively. He is very wrong.
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[sketchwick]

Antrax, do you know what your record is in games you die night 1?

sketchwick

[Antrax]

No, but I remember 6 consecutive ones once. Moreover, I hold the record for being targetted by the most people on night 1 -- 6 (Mafia 45).
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[jesternl]

Ralphmerridew, I did recognize them, but not as shutdown commands, that's why I didn't get it (makes not to go into linux again )

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