Return of Newbie Maf 5

[OcularGold]

It is day 6. 3 votes needed to lynch.

The original Newbie maf 5 thread is broken. You can find the pages of the thread in the next reply (thanks Sofis!).

Alive
makemeok
neo
orbiting
saberkitty
sketchwick

Dead
Soothsayer (Doc) killed by Corleone family, night 1
UVGF (townie) lynched, day 1
Neo (townie) shot, night 2
Quercitron (townie) shot, night 2
Dragon Phoenix (townie), lynched day 2
Corsato (cop), killed by Capone family, night 3
mathgrant (doc), lynched, day 3
ralphmerridew (doc), killed by Capone mafia, night 4
Planet_buzz (mafia, Capone family) killed by Corleone mafia, night 4
cubestudent (townie), lynched, day 4
HorseriderMS (cop), killed by Corleone mafia, night 5
Damelon (townie), killed by Capone mafia, night 5
Mentat (godfather, Capone mafia), lynched, day 5
Mikegoo (townie) killed by Corleone mafia, night 6
Zealot (mafia, Corleone family), killed by Capone family, night 6


Roles
Corlenone mafia: (2/3) remaining (1/1 Godfather)
Capone mafia: (1/3) remaining (0/1 Godfather)
doctors: (0/3) remaining
cops: (0/2) remaining
townie: (2/9) remaining




[This message has been edited by OcularGold (edited 05-26-2002 04:23 PM).]

[Sofis]

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[sketchwick]

So game is on hold, or do we continue here?

sketchwick

[OcularGold]

Yes, sorry. play here. I think the above pages is all we're going to get. I'll set up the first post soon.

Vote Count
1 makemeok (orbiting)
1 orbiting (saberkitty)

3 null vote (makemeok, neo, sketchwick)

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3 needed to lynch.

[This message has been edited by OcularGold (edited 05-26-2002 04:22 PM).]

[A Neo Inside]

Bah.

Quite honestly, I've got nothing.

I've combed the thread with fine combs and come up with next to nothing. Everybody is suspicious.

I can vote randomly and have a high probablility of catching mafia, but, I'll grasp straws instead.

Planet_buzz was a Capone, voted for Sketch. From this, Sketch is either a Capone, Corleone, or townie. Doesn't get me anywhere.

Corsato seemed reluctant to vote for DP, and seemed to hint at investigating him, as well as SaberKitty. However, I can't be sure.

I've noticed something however, the silent ones don't seem to be killed. Understandable, they are usually ignored once the game gets going, and slowly replaced. However, the silent ones in this game keep getting pointed out, and seem to have been targetted for lynches, lots of suspicion thrown to them. Maybe the mafia looking for easy lynches? The suspects here, Sketch and SK.

The above theory seems crappy even to me

This is quickly becoming flip a coin mafia. But, I shall vote SaberKitty a vocal one that always seems to avoid the bad stuff.

[sketchwick]

I can't wait to see SK's reaction to this...

sketchwick

[A Neo Inside]

why's that Sketch?

[sketchwick]

See tends to react to people voting to her rather strongly, but it doesn't always influence her vote, I haven't come up with anything it MEANS, per se, but more info is always good.

sketchwick

[A Neo Inside]

Oh, I thought you were saying you were going to enjoy it or something

[makemeok]

hm.. i totally overlooked the Corsato thing. bah.

[SaberKitty]

Originally posted by ANI:

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But, I shall vote SaberKitty a vocal one that always seems to avoid the bad stuff.

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umm what bad stuff? i'd like to think that i enjoy getting into the bad stuff- like accusing just about everyone of being mafia. and that's not just because it's fun- it keeps the game going. where would we be if we could trust everyone? absolutely no where! this is exactly the point i'm trying to make. three members of our little town are evil, evil, people- slowly killing off the good happy citizens. well, at the moment trust noone.
i've decided to give up on the whole orbiting thing- i still think she's evil, bust since people seem to not really pay attention to my ranting(about anyone) anymore- it seems quite futile. reluctantly(sp?)unvote: orbiting
so who does that leave us with? sketch, neo, and makemeok. hmmm tough choice.
at first i really wanted to attack sketch- nobody's been after his blood in a long time- where's cube when you need him?
anyewho- he seems to want people dead, but not in the lighthearted, random way that i go about attacking people? is it genuine??? does sketch have some vendetta(sp?)against the town? is he in league with orbiting... one quiet, one loud? who knows...
but then, makemeok decided to be retarded and post his links between people- and i didn't much appreciate it. oh and then sometime right before the thread crashed he calle me mafia- i don't remember which family, but either way that's just really crappy. i really wanted to yell at him, but every time i hit the reply button, i got an ise- which i thought only occurred when your post didn't work, rather than your attempt to post, but whatever the case, i didn't get a chance. i think i really would have attacked you had neo not gone and voted for me...
and so neo, i guess i'm gonna yell at you!

well first off, of course the silent ones don't seem to be killed. after the whole UVGF fiasco(sp?)i decided taht it would be much better to be cautious before lynching the untalkative ones. infact, i belive i campaigned aganst your death (as AFI) because chances were he/you wasn't/weren't checking your mail or the thread. i think i have made a significant effort in preserving those people where most likely townies- the ones who didn't think it was worth thier while to post just because they didn't have a "fun" role. i think that had i not campaigned for your replacement, you would have been dead now, and the mafia would have won. so- don't attack me about poeple who are quiet getting killed, because i've done my best to help that situation.
if you want to attack me, maybe you should talk about my crappy judgement- i could have sworn both dp and cube were bad guys- or maybe the fact that i randomly pick people to attack or maybe that i yell at peopel because it's fun-. but seriously, why must you blame me for pretty much the one thing that i feel i have done right during this game. maybe it's your way of getting rid of me, and then all the quiet people will die.
so of course, i will VOTE: NEO (ANI)

-SK

[makemeok]

WTF?

[OcularGold]

I don't want to rush you guys, but theres been a severe lack of discussion. The deadline is set at Thursday, May 30, GL time 11:59:59 PM. It's three days away, so it still gives you all plenty of time, above the week or so ya'll have already had.

[A Neo Inside]

OG, if the deadline hits and we have several pple tied, will you still lynch all of them?

[makemeok]

wow. hadn't thought of that.

[A Neo Inside]

If only I could communicate with the other townie......We could set up so all evil mafia scumbags are lynched leaving us alive

[OcularGold]

[Dragon Phoenix]

What I do in situations like these (just as input for your thoughts):

For a lynching by deadline instead of by majority, there is no lynching if the frontrunner(s) does not have more than 50% of the votes required for a regular lynching.

In case of a tie (with >50% as described above), the one who got there first in the voting gets lynched.

The advantage of the latter is that the mafia(s) cannot at the last moment create a tie to lynch two.

[makemeok]

i'm not sure who a no-lynch would most benefit... but it would be putting the town's fate in the hands of the Mafias. if they each have a good idea who the other Mafia are, it might work to the town's advantage, but how likely is it that they're not almost as much in the dark as the townies are? i dunno. i'd much rather try and work it out reasonably. and i think there's still a good amount to discuss.

so, i've been thinking that the scenario that seems to make most sense is Orbiting as one of the Corleones and either ANI or sketchwick as the other. if this is true, the absences of A Fire Inside and sketchwick at the beginning of the game may indicate that neither are likely to be the Godfather, as the nights then might've taken a lot longer. by this reasoning, i would vote Orbiting, and hope the other two Mafia have some luck finding each other tonight.

then i got to thinking, shouldn't the Corleones have been able to just say, "okay, we'll just jump on the first vote somebody else makes for anyone who isn't one of us," and if so, why haven't they done it yet? have they not had the opportunity? SK votes for Orbiting, Orbiting votes for me, ANI votes for SK, SK votes for ANI... if ANI and Orbiting are the Corleones, then indeed, they have not had the opportunity, as the only other person voting has only voted for them.

please, correct me if i'm wrong (i'd especially like to hear from Orbiting). i feel like i'm the only person who wants to discuss this reasonably. and if you're not a Corleone, why not unvote?

[Orbiting]

Sorry all - I've been gone all weekend. Point from SaberKitty (I think) in the last thread - I guess it does no good to knock off all of one mafia family without killing all of the other family at this point, does it? So, unvote: makemeok (who'll probably kill me later anyways). And I don't know who the Corleones are - I thought SaberKitty was one, but now I don't think so anymore.
I'd like to vote ANI, but that makes me look like I am working with SK now (of course, she could be the other town, so I might be working with her).
No vote right now - I don't see any way out of this for town at all.

[OcularGold]

thank you DP, i really appreciate your input.

DP's ideas sound reasonable. I spent A LOT of time thinking about it. i really couldn't find something that is absolutely fair to everyone.

I don't like to change the rules. I stated long ago that a tie in the vote would result in multiple lynches, but I'll add that in the very rare case of a three-way tie, only the first to be voted for will be lynched. Otherwise, it's business as usual.

This is a very slight change, so I don't feel as if an extension of deadline is necessary. If you feel otherwise, please e-mail me.

[A Neo Inside]

I have a very simple idea. Will the remaining Capone step forward? You can't possible win now, so you might as well make sure the Corleones don't.

[SaberKitty]

if i unvote, i die automatically, i'm not sure if there's a flaw in my thought process or what, but here goes...
there's one vote for me and one vote for neo. i'm voting for him and he's voting for me.
since he voted for me first, i'll die either way(if we do the thing where whoever was voted for first gets lynched) and even if we don't, i die. even if i unvote, i die. personally, i thought it was really stupid to die of two(or was it 3?) votes. but one- for either neo or i would be really stupid.
however, since it looks like people are going to stay quiet, like always(don't you know that's the most annoying thing ever?!?) i'm going to unvote: neo and go with no lynch because at least that way, there's still a chance.
-SK

[makemeok]

SK, if you still want to vote Orbiting, i might join you. when you say you vote no lynch because then there's still a chance, what do you mean there's a chance of?

[sketchwick]

I think SK meant there is a chance the town winning if there is not a double lynch. I think no lynch is just as bad. I doubt anyone will say much compelling before the deadline hits. I think orbiting is the most likely canidate for a Corleone, so I will vote orbiting

I'd rather lose because I was wrong than lose because I did nothing.

sketchwick

[OcularGold]

VOTE COUNT
1 orbiting (sketchwick)
1 saberkitty (neo)

1 no lynch (saberkitty)
2 null (makemeok, orbiting)

[makemeok]

[Orbiting]

I told you he was going to try and kill me later. Easier to do it this way than to target me in the maf round - makemeok is the last Capone. I have no issues against voting for him, except that, as previously mentioned, that triggers a Corleone win.
My guess is that ANI and sketchwick are the Corleones, but I think at this point, it doesn't matter. For what it's worth, vote: sketchwick.
I'm probably dead anyway.

[makemeok]

and you still haven't explained why you think i'm the Capone. of course i want to kill you if i think you're a Corleone, whether i'm townie or Capone.

[Neo]

I was all set and ready to vote for makemeok and Orbiting states that he is the Capone. Is this true or are you just guessing? I sure wish the Capone would come out, as it is their only chance.

Until my questions are answered, unvote SaberKitty and vote makemeok for waiting as long as he could before jumping on a bandwagon with (IMHO) a lame excuse.

[Orbiting]

I think makemeok is the Capone for real - I went back through the thread and looked at who was voting for who, and who might have been protecting who, and who conspicuously didn't vote for who - I put it on a grid and came to the conclusions I've been rambling about.
Go through the thread yourself - makemeok shows up on Mentat's (Capone GF) suspect list then drops off without explanation. He never votes for either Mentat or PB, and they don't vote him.
Use the same set of analyses on the rest of us, and you come up with what I did (unless I missed something) Either way the Corleones win at this point anyway.

[makemeok]

jumping a bandwagon? i stated all my reasoning for suspecting Orbiting, well before sketchwick voted her, and after SK had already unvoted her. yes, i wanted to be sure i wouldn't be alone in voting for her, because i didn't want to end up with a tied vote. as far as "lame excuses" go, i'm the only one even explaining my suspicions here. if my reasons are lame, what do you call Orbiting's reasons? and if you believe her, why do you want to lynch who she thinks is the Capone?

[Orbiting]

Because he's Corleone.

[makemeok]

nice timing.

thank you, Orbiting.

[makemeok]

sorry, one more post. unvote: Orbiting, for the moment.

[Orbiting]

There you go kids, let's lynch a Corleone, and then the remaining scions of the Mafia line can work out whether they want to kill each other or the townies after.

[makemeok]

any reason you chose to vote sketchwick over Neo, then?

[Orbiting]

not really. I mean, 50/50 on which one's the GF, unless you know something I don't.

[makemeok]

i don't. but i'm a bit more keen on lynching Neo. especially since i had suggested that you and he were the Corleones.

[Orbiting]

I'll go with that.
unvote: sketchwick
vote: neo