The Return of Newbie Mafia (5?)

[makemeok]

hm.. i understand your impatience, SK, but do you really think a deadline is necessary, or even good for us, at this point? as OG said, we really, really need to lynch a mafia. if you're frustrated with this game and just want to get it over with, that's understandable... but rushing through the town's last chance does not seem wise to me.

now, while i agree with sketchwick about that, i'm not defending him. i'd also like to hear his big ideas. however, i don't understand what you mean about waiting just so we don't lynch him. it's not like time's going to run out and there will be no lynch. the only reason i can see for a mafia to suggest thoughtful deliberation is to appear innocent. and of course, that's very possible, that either or both of sketchwick and i are doing exactly that. i just don't understand your logic, here.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by SaberKitty:

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i'm beginning to get the feeling that we are waiting just so we don't lynch you. actually that makes a lot of sense- tell everyone that you have something amazing to tell them, and keep them waiting on the edge of thier seats, that's not nice at all- i think it's a mafia tactic if i ever saw one! fos:mentat

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Um, you know that it was sketchwick who made the vague comment about having figured stuff out, not Mentat?

[makemeok]

you know that you left off the parts where she indicated she was speaking to sketchwick and that she would vote for him once Mentat spoke up?

Originally posted by SaberKitty:

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sketch, i'l stil waiting for your insignt to the game.
but as we keep waiting, i'm beginning to get the feeling that we are waiting just so we don't lynch you. actually that makes a lot of sense- tell everyone that you have something amazing to tell them, and keep them waiting on the edge of thier seats, that's not nice at all- i think it's a mafia tactic if i ever saw one! fos:mentat
when mentat speaks up, unless he has earthshattering information, my vote will be for you!

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i'm sure that was unintentional, right?

[Zealot]

You're right, I missed the word "sketch" at the beginning of the sentence. Next time I'll try sleeping and then posting

[sketchwick]

I'm still here, I don't want to say anything of any value until we hear from mentat. I just thought it was rude to let SK flip out and think I was ignoring her. OG can you replace mentat? If he responds to YOUR e-mail then I can only assume there is some reason he is lurking. However like I said I can't afford to vote for the wrong guy right now. I urge everyone to do nothing but urge mentat to post if you are going to post at all.

sketchwick

[Mentat]

I am here and have read the thread up to date. I don't have any great theories at the moment, except that most of the people posting must be mafia! i will ponder and post again later today.

[sketchwick]

I have some questions for some people, but I think I should probably just sleep for now and post later today after mentat posts again. In the meantime it would be nice if people answered any questions anyone has asked them. ANI: you should have called them comments, not lessens. Zealot, I believe Mikegoo wanted to know why you are convinced mentat is mafia.

See you guys later today.

sketchwick

[SaberKitty]

bah @ me- i meant my fos to be at sketch, it really was 2:30 am when i posted that-so, let me reitterate(sp?) what i was trying to say...

i meant that since sketch said that he knew something really important- it seemed, to me at least, that he was just holding out-with nothing to say at all- just so even if we thought he was mafia, we wouldn't lynch him. that sentence really didn't make much more sense, but i really can't do much better than that(i'm running on about 2 hours of sleep, sorry) oh, and i though that by claiming that he had something important to say and not saying it- he was being very mafia-ish. and that was why he, not mentat, deserved my fos. and now he's still stalling- answer people's questions- bah! such a liar fos:sketchas opposed to mentat, whiom i'm voting for

now though, mentat speaks up only to say that he has read an yet has nothign to say really irks me. there have been quite a few posts, and yet you haven't seen anything you'd like to share with us? and the fact that over half the town is mafia really gave you some great insight-
[quote: mentat in 567]most of the people posting must be mafia[/quote]
um, duh- i believe that was common knowledge, as it was posted by the mod.
just because you showed up buddy, does not mean that you are off the hook. say somethig meaningful, please? of course, if you vote for me, i'll probably fly off the handle again and go screaming at you- i'll admit though, it can be quite fun
ummm, so yeah, speak up people- post more!!!

the whole deadline thing was jsut to get people to post(i.e. you must post by 12:00 noon on tuesday, or something), not to get peopel lynched- i don't think i made that clear in my other sleepy post.

and yeah, i think this post might not make sense either, if it's still very confusing tell me so i can attempt to reword it again
-sleepy SK ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................

[A Neo Inside]

I'm this close *holds fingers close together* to whipping out some older mafia games and analyzing behaviors.....Don't make me do it, you won't like it.

[Mentat]

I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind from yesterday's vote.

Voye: A Neo Inside

[sketchwick]

Well, if my unofficial vote count is accurate that makes just makemeok and myself that haven't voted. Which from my point of view is good, because he is the best canidate for being one of the other two townies left in the game. I'm almost positive Mikegoo is mafia. His first post of the day was the most misleading pile of crap I'd ever heard from him. I was wrong to have feared a bandwagon from the mafia when ANI voted for me. The mafia families don't want to lynch a townie right now, they want a memeber of the other family, preferably the GF. Goo's whole "I'm just a crappy townie but I don't mind dying" sounded more like a plea for the other family not to kill him tonight.

Not to mention my vote for "3rd towine" is orbiting or ANI, and since ANI is voting for me it is probably better to go with orbiting and lynch mikegoo. Of course makemeok didn't suspect mike, but I think that was before goo's posts today.

Still no vote, what you think, makemeok?

I'd like to hear why orbiting is voting mikegoo, I looked back to yesterday, but the reasons were none too spelled out.

Also, I don't trust mentat, you seem like a smart guy, nothing from today has made you suspect anyone more than "a cop voted for ANI once?"

Still wating to hear why zealot is convinced mentat is mafia.

Obviously I'd like to know why ANI is voting me. Didn't I point out your "connection to planet_buzz" theory could just as easily point at you?

sketchwick

[makemeok]

Originally posted by sketchwick:

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Of course makemeok didn't suspect mike, but I think that was before goo's posts today.

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huh? i said, "i still see no reason not to think mikegoo is guilty." and yesterday (game time) when i voted for him, i said he seemed suspicious from the beginning.

i'd also like to hear a bit more from Mentat. "i'm here," indeed. who do you think you are, mathgrant?

[A Neo Inside]

My apologies, I must have forgotten to unvote Sketchwick. I thought I had already.

However:

Originally posted by Sketchwick:

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since ANI is voting for me it is probably better to go with orbiting and lynch mikegoo.

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Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying that Orbiting must be the third townie simply because I am voting for you? If so that is the biggest pile of CrapLogic(TM) that I've ever seen and may just earn my vote again.

[mikegoo]

Quite amusing to me is the fact that Zealot and SaberKitty are, for the third day in a row, voting for the same person at this point.

Now I will give a quick interview with skecthwick:

mikegoo: "so who do you think are townies sketch?"

sketch: "well me of cours...and then makemok, ANI, or orbiting."

mikegoo: "got any reasons for that?"

skethc:" well duh...they SEEM the most townieish...what are you stupid?"

mikegoo: "Why exactly am I mafia again?"

skecth: "Clearly your first post today makes you mafia...you claim to be a townie and then try to get people to vote for a list of 4 people."

mikegoo: "ah yes, and this is different from your tactics how? Let's seee, you claim to be a townie...then make a list of 4 townies....leaving 4 people for folks to choose from that are mafia and then you give your choice of which one seems likely. Didn't I do something like that?"

Anyone else think sketch is just as full of shit and unhelpful as I am? I can't believe sketch had to wait to reveal all of that brilliant reasoning. I am being "misleading" and posting excrement? ...pot...kettle...black.

[Orbiting]

My vote is for mikegoo because of the whole thing about UVGF (i think) in which mikegoo originally argues not to lynch, then is basically the deciding vote that gets the townie lynched. Also because I am crap at this game, and at this point there are more maf left than town - odds are good on anybody. And I'm innocent.

-o-

[sketchwick]

Makemeok: "no reason not to think..." sorry, by brain rejected the double negative. I also agree mentat moves up the list of suspects with every word he doesn't say.

ANI: no, that is not what I am saying. I'll be really clear here: I do not know who the other townies are. But if I am going to try and side with another townie and you and orbiting might be townies, then prolly I should side with the one who isn't voting me. Seem logical?

Mikegoo: The interview actually goes quite differently. If I do have any brilliant reasoning (which I never claimed, SK blew up what I said which was "I think I figured a lot out, the last day is full of a lot of info") I have yet to reveal it. I'm waiting on my questions I asked above. Everyone else may ask, "Sketch, why didn't you ask Mike anything?" and that is simply because Mike has been plenty vocal today, and it seems obvious to me what he is trying to do. This last post is designed to keep the town focused on him so that even if we do lynch his mafia ass, the rest of the family will be under no suspiscion. Revealing what I think ALL the roles for EVERYONE are at this point does me no good, because it's really important to know who everyone is.

Still waiting to hear from mentat, orbiting, and zealot Thank you, ANI.

OG: If it gets down to one townie and one mafia, is that a tie or a win for the mafia? I've been looking at the possible outcomes and there is a lot of tie or kingmaker options.

sketchwick

[Orbiting]

Sketch - read above post.

[mikegoo]

Orbiting...if you think 2 people are both innocent (DP and UVGF..which they were!) and the vote is tied and the deadline is minutes away and you like the fact that one of the 2 people you think is innocent is actually participating in the game...wouldn't you cast a vote for the other guy? If I were mafia and the vote was tied with 2 people I knew were not on my team would I give a rat's ass who died and make myself look suspscious?

Now if you have other reasons you haven't stated then I have no problems with your vote.

Things I KNOW about this game:

1) The townies are retarded....including me!

2) I'm tired of this game.

That's it...that is all I KNOW for sure

Sketch....AGAIN please point out the flaw in my logic. You still haven't pointed out why the people you named look innocent. You still haven't explained why your strategy, exactly the same as mine, makes more sense. You are even having to explain your post just like I did mine. Please explain again why this makes me any more suspiscious than yourself?

Zealot: why Mentat other than his silence (which is a reasonable reason if that is it)?

[Orbiting]

No need to defend yourself from my posts, mikegoo - I believe that I've already mentioned I'm crap at this game and not to be taken seriously.

[makemeok]

Originally posted by mikegoo:

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If I were mafia and the vote was tied with 2 people I knew were not on my team would I give a rat's ass who died and make myself look suspscious?

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that incident was never my primary reason for suspecting you, but since you put it that way... yeah, i can't see a good reason a mafia would do that. while i'm certainly not convinced, i can no longer say that i've seen no reason to think you're innocent.

[sketchwick]

Still waiting to hear from zealot and mentat Thanks orbiting, although am I the only one who doesn't trust anyone who claims to be bad at a game?

sketchwick

[makemeok]

am i the only one who doesn't trust anybody at this point?

[A Neo Inside]

I say we stop playing at the pace of the silent people, get off our arses and lynch us a mafioso! There is no longer any point in waiting on them.

[makemeok]

oh! right! okay! uh.. which ones were they, again?

[makemeok]

sheesh... i need a nap.

[Orbiting]

They're all maf now - only what, 3 town left? Just pick somebody.

[A Neo Inside]

Well......this would have been easier if the cop had COME OUT WITH INFORMATION!

*stops yelling at the graves*

[Mentat]

I started writing a long post and my system went down. I am going to have to start from scratch, so I apologise if this has some typos in it.

I posted briefly earlier today because there seemed to be little new. IMHO, this is still true. Therefore I stuck with my vote from yesterday which, while not based on complete knowledge, is logical.

However, it is worth a little more analysis. There are 3 townies left. I have said for some time that I believe that SaberKitty is town. If she turns out not to be, she can take the star mafia-playing prize in my book. Sketchwick's recent posts lead me to half believe he is town. Since I am town (well, I wouldn't say anything else, would I?) that means that everyone else is mafia of one flavour or another.

Therefore, it doesn't matter who of the rest gets lynched, except that it would be nice to even things up by taking out a Corleone. Nevertheless, it is difficult to pull affiliations out of the morass of postings.

I still see no reason to change my vote. Confirm Vote: A Neo Inside

If I turn out to be wrong, so be it. BTW, I would like to hear an answer to Sketchwick's question as to why Zealot is convinced I am mafia (see post 572). He seems a bit uncommunicative at the moment, not surpising since he is, by my arguements above, definitely mafiascum.

[Mentat]

I got an ISE, thought it was Ok since I resubmitted, but it seems Sketchwick has posted so I am trying this again.

[Mentat]

Probably a bug in the main thread.

[Mentat]

BTW, ANI, no use crying over spilt milk....

[A Neo Inside]

Bah....Can I help it if I like to drill the point that I was right home once in a while?

[sketchwick]

Still waiting on zealot, but I can't take credit, mentat, Mikegoo originally asked zealot the question.

sketchwick

[A Neo Inside]

Lets stop waiting on Zealot and decide. He's AWOL in several games and I don't see what he must have thats more usefull to us, unless I missed something.

[Zealot]

I'm here, just a little late.

The main reasons I suspect Mentat aren't anything extremely compelling; if I had good evidence of his guilt I would have pointed it out from the beginning. As I stated when I made the FOS last round and the vote this round, I'm going to trust my instincts. Mentat started off the game reluctant to FOS or vote anyone. When he finally did vote, he voted for Neo for what I consider to be a poor reason. The vote was based on post #3, which was even before roles were sent out to anyone. When his vote was challenged, he withdrew it without much of an argument. I suppose I may have more experience (marginally) than anyone left in this game, and I know that this is pretty much how I behaved in Verbose mafia, the first time I was ever mafia. After that, Mentat was very quiet for long periods of time. He cited illness as the reason, and unfortunately we have no way of knowing if he really was quite sick or if he's a lying weasel looking for an excuse (). Even after returning, he was hesitant to vote fo people, and pretty much kept quiet.

As you can see, I have no particularly convincing evidence against him, but something about the way he's been posting just seems mafia-ish to me. Not a great reason, I know, but it's all I've got.

[A Neo Inside]

Nvm......that kinda makes me think.....

[sketchwick]

vote Mikegoo

I was hoping people would give me more so I might be able to piece together who is what family, but it looks like they won't. As it is I see no better course of action than to just vote who I think is most likely mafia. Mike, if you are innocent, I'm sorry, that first post of the day was just SO bad.

sketchwick

[OcularGold]

VOTE COUNT
2 mentat (saberkitty, zealot)
2 mikegoo (orbiting, sketchwick)
1 saberkitty (mikegoo)
1 neo (mentat)

2 null (makemeok, neo)

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I'm a little reluctant to set the deadline during the weekend, but, the deadline is now set for sunday may 19, 11:59:59 GL time.

if there is only one town and one mafia left, then its a win for the mafia. if theres two different mafia, its a tie. if theres a GF and one regular mafia left, its a win for the GF's mafia.

[This message has been edited by OcularGold (edited 05-16-2002 11:57 PM).]

[A Neo Inside]

Right now, Mentat has moved to the top of my list. So thats who I'm voting for.

vote Mentat

[mikegoo]

My last try to convince sketch (and anyone listening to him) that I am not mafia:
First you have to look at all of my actions and decide if they look like intelligent mafia member moves (unless you think I am a blathering idiot AND mafia which I will concede is quite possible). If that is too much to ask then simply look at one fact that may make sense to you sketch...YOU are still breathing. Do you really think if I was mafia I would have let you live this long? You are the only person in this game that I know enough about to say you are pretty smart and pretty devious (no matter which side you are on) you don't think I would have done my damndest to get you killed?

I think I am done after this post (and there was much rejoicing). The only other thing I may do is change my vote. I'll keep reading though.