Fantasy Mafia [TOWN WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

[Orbiting]

Course, if we lynch improbable and he turns out to be town, we have a good next target...

[groza528]

[Ameb]

So are you saying that you're going to tell us the innocent you found? Or are you not?

[Degenerate]

Originally posted by Ameb:

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I'm suspicious of Degenerate, as he fossed mole but voted someone else (who had no chance of dying) when Lucky Wizard could have been killed instead of mole.

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To me, it's all about seeking out the suspicious that makes a mafia game interesting. I agree, mole, was suspicious, and I feel slightly disappointed that I wasn't a part of it (because I didn't vote for him), but I felt that sooth's vote was more personal, as he appeared to be more suspicious to me at the moment.

I guess since we've got confirmation (I hope) on Impro, let's go for it.

Unvote: soothsayer
Vote: Improbable

[wordcross]

Improbable: 11
(Groza528, Puzzle Prodigy, quercitron, jeep, Orbiting, jadesmar, Soothsayer, ralphmerridew, Ameb, Degenerate, Lucky Wizard)

jadesmar: 1
(Naupilus)

Not voted: 2
Improbable, Tyenar

8 to lynch. Improbable dies with a definite majority.

[This message has been edited by wordcross (edited 07-26-2002 12:32 AM).]

[wordcross]

As Improbable is dragged to the gallows, he vehemently protests this choice which is based on nothing other than another elf's word. He screams and kicks all the way, trying desperately to get away, but to no avail. As he is hoisted up on to the rope, the Elves of Illellimelliflanae are relatively sure that they can sleep easier. Rushing to Improbable's home, they find that they are not mistaken. Torturous implements lay scatterd about, and the dark miasma of taint is heavy in the air.

Congratulations town, you have lynched yet another Maleferino Mafia.

it is now night. Please send choices.

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I'm not an actor, but i play one on TV.
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[jadesmar]

*has nice dreams about lynching two mafia in two days* - go town!

[Probably was Improbable]

And I was so close to perfecting my torture methods as well....

[wordcross]

Dawn breaks, clear and calm, with sun and a cool breeze. It is a heartening morning, but it is marred by the death of yet another.

Gathering in the town square where the second scroll appeared in the night, they find that Jeep has met a horrifying end. His mauled body is hung upside down from a tall tree, still dripping blood. It is a shocking discovery, and yet the Elves are bolstered by the fact that there are now as many Elders as remaining mafia. Do any of them have information? Who remains with dark intentions?

It is day, 7 to lynch

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I'm not an actor, but i play one on TV.
GLih8evilstuff: I hope you never call me, my caller ID would explode.

[This message has been edited by wordcross (edited 07-26-2002 11:53 PM).]

[Ameb]

Well, I might as well start off with a vote. I'll vote Degenerate because of the fossing but not voting for mole thing; it makes sense that he'd want to associate himself with the bandwagon while staying off, especially when there was a very good chance that Lucky Wizard (a likely innocent) had a chance to die instead of mole. He didn't let his personal feelings against Sooth keep him from Nauplius's bandwagon (no information, but I'm assuming, due to the quickness of his bandwagon, the close call, and his willingness to vote for himself, that he is a townie), for which there was as little and as much evidence as the mole bandwagon, but he only fossed mole, who we now know was a mafioso, when he could have contributed to that kill. Uh, yeah. Anyone else want to go along with that? And, groza, do you have any information?

[jadesmar]

vote: Lucky Wizard

In reasons he was voting for me there is this:

Originally posted by LuckyWizard in reply 118:

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1. In Reply 22, in the debate over whether the early confirmers were suspicious (a debate which I don't want to get into, BTW), he attempted to argue his side by misquoting those who were arguing the other side. (Only marginally suspicious in itself, but combined with the facts below...)

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Since I never misquote, I can only assume Lucky Wizard's role here is to spread disinformation. In fact, the quote in Reply 22 was from Reply 0. I certainly hope that wordcross was not arguing the other side.

Originally posted by LuckyWizard in reply 118:

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2. In Reply 33, he voted for Degenerate for making a simple mistake.

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And now I have voted for Lucky Wizard for making a mistake.

[PuzzleProdigy]

FOS: Ameb
for

[Lucky Wizard]

jadesmar, "misquote" was probably a bad choice of words; I meant that you'd twisted the logic that was being used, not that you were manipulating others' exact words to suit your purposes. I was referring to this:

Originally posted by jades in reply 22:

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Your logic is what? "it's always a safe idea to lynch the more observant."

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The logic was actually "The people who didn't recieve emails couldn't be sure that wordcross had put their address in correctly or that a computer bug hadn't caused the email to get corrupted and lost". I, personally, had seen what was in post 0, but waited several hours (after seeing that emails had been sent) to confirm just in case an email had been sent to me but had been delayed in the queue. (These things do happen; I was in Newbie Mafia 3, and a delay happened with the email queue when mith sent role emails. I think I'm the only player in this game who was in that game, however.)

(I realize you were paraphrasing; so was I in my "The logic was actually..." comment. The point was that you'd twisted others' logic.)

[Ameb]

Lucky Wizard seems innocent (although Degenerate didn't vote for him either when he kept from voting for mole; and unless you're mafia, no mafia voted for him), and I wouldn't imagine that the two leading bandwagons at the end of the first day would be for mafiosi (someone would have tried subtly to get another bandwagon bigger than those two if both were mafia and it could be done, I'd think).
Your behaviour has been a bit suspicious, given what we now know about who's mafia, but I think Degenerate is more suspicious.
(groza, do you have any information on PuzzleProdigy in particular? I won't ask the other elders to come out if they do, because that'd be silly (unless they know of two of the last three mafiosi or something), but you (that is, the elders other than groza) should try to steer us away somehow if he's innocent and we have a bandwagon for him.)

[Edited because my last sentence wasn't clear.]

[This message has been edited by Ameb (edited 07-26-2002 02:50 PM).]

[groza528]

No info on PuzzleProdigy, just two innocents. I'll take a look at previous posts and try to gather a hunch.

[Ameb]

Well, will you tell us who the two innocents are? Or is there some reason why it's smart not to tell who they are?

[jeep]

BAH! Well, go town!

I'll sub if we need one, seeing how I was a townie and all...

-JEEP

[groza528]

Ameb: If I tell who they are they become Mafia targets. If I reveal the two innocents they die over the next two nights and I'll have a maximum of two more innocents to say. But if I keep my mouth shut, the Mafia may kill someone else. Then after two nights we'd have FOUR known innocents, plus myself. Don't worry, I won't let us lynch someone I know to be innocent.

[wordcross]

Degenerate: 1
(Ameb)

Lucky Wizard: 1
(jadesmar)

not voted: 10
Degenerate, Tyenar, Quercitron, Lucky Wizard, Soothsayer, ralphmerridew, Puzzle Prodigy, Naupilus, Orbiting, Groza528

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[wordcross]

Claim This

[This message has been edited by wordcross (edited 07-27-2002 12:03 AM).]

[Ameb]

Fair enough, groza. (And I'd suggest you try to figure out if PuzzleProdigy is mafia tonight, and that the other elders protect groza.)

Anyone aside from jadesmar and me have any ideas about who could be mafia? Or are you all waiting for someone else to speak before you do? I'm sure if you looked back, you could find enough evidence to lynch Degenerate on (maybe I think that because I'm already convinced he's evil, but something had to convince me, right?).

[Nauplius]

Vote: jadesmar

[Orbiting]

Vote: Degenerate

[groza528]

FOS: Ameb
Reasoning: Wanting the cop to name innocents, trying to determine exactly what ALL the elders should do tonight. Both scream Maifa-ness, but they may just be newbie mistakes, hence I give only an FOS.

[Ameb]

Well, groza, you could have the innocents know one another without letting the mafia know who they are (it won't let the rest of us know who they are either, but it'd be like a mason group). Just e-mail each of them with the other's name, if it's possible or you think it's right (or you actually are an elder, which is likely but not an absolute). We are allowed to talk about the game and form alliances outside of the thread.

I'm not mafia, but I do have special information: I'm an elder's "mouth". He* found me as innocent, and due to certain reasons, I'm the only one of the two innocents who could speak for him (so, if he doesn't want to come out himself if he finds a mafia tomorrow, he might protect me tonight. I hope. But he might not, because that'd be giving up his investigative abilities for the night) so he wouldn't be suspected. Since you (groza) already came out, he judged it a bad idea to come out himself even after he found a mafia (someone I'd thought suspicious myself yesterday), so I was trying to lead people towards the mafia member by giving the evidence that I had noticed.

I know you think it's mafia-like behaviour to suggest what all the elders do, but I still will. No one is under any obligation to follow my suggestions. Tonight, groza could check whoever he wants to (hell, he could check me so you know I'm not lying) and tell each of the two innocents he's found the other's identity. The elder who is not groza and not the elder who has e-mailed me could protect groza, and "my" elder could protect me.

If I'm lying, it should be obvious tomorrow (if either groza checks me or we kill Degenerate and he turns out innocent), two elders would be protecting groza (as neither would have been e-mailing me, so each would think he was the third), and you'd all be able to lynch me tomorrow. So it's not too risky for you, right (although I'm kind of taking it on faith that groza is what he says he is)? If you think that I'm mafia and Degenerate is a townie, the worst that could happen is that you would lose a townie (if you kill Degenerate) in exchange for a mafia member (me) the next day, and the elders would come up with no good results for the next day (much like the first day). Fair enough?

If there's a glaring problem with my plan, point it out or just say you don't want to go along with it.

*masculine used to avoid having to say "he/she", not because this person is male, although he could be.

[quercitron]

Since when can anyone besides the Mafia talk outside the thread? It's been considered illegal in basically every Mafia game in existence.

But, given that Ameb is claiming an Elder emailed him telling him Degenerate is Mafia, I guess we can at least test that. Vote: Degenerate

And if the Elders can really form Mason groups and innocents can talk outside the thread, we have the Mafia beat, this is the most unfairly biased toward the Town game I've ever seen. They have no chance.

q

[ralphmerridew]

quercitron, you forgot mason groups. Either Ameb is lying, or one of the elders has committed a fairly serious rule breach. (In Star Wars I, both royal guards got immediately offed by the mod when he learned they'd been communicating against rules.) We should wait until wordcross can rule on this.

(I'd also like to ask wordcross for a replacement. I'm afraid I'll have to duck out of this one.)

[quercitron]

Right, except this Mafia has no Mason groups, unless they are Elder-created.

[wordcross]

I stated at the beginning that anyone could at any time contact anyone else and say whatever they wish. (This includes Mafia being able to communicate during the day)

As for whether or not you believe what they have to say when they contact you, that has yet to be established. For all you know, someone claiming to be a cop in an e-mail could be a Mafia who pretends to "protect" you and actually just refrains from a kill in the night (which the mafia has every right to do.) I've given people free reign because in mafia, trusting someone could be paramount to signing your own death warrant.

Other mods are just too uptight about such things

Voting update:

Degenerate: 3
(Ameb, Orbiting, Quercitron)

Lucky Wizard: 1
(jadesmar)

jadesmar: 1
(Naupilus)

not voted: 7
Degenerate, Tyenar, Lucky Wizard, Soothsayer, ralphmerridew, Puzzle Prodigy, Groza528

7 to lynch. Currently 4 away.

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I'm not an actor, but i play one on TV.
GLih8evilstuff: I hope you never call me, my caller ID would explode.

[This message has been edited by wordcross (edited 07-28-2002 12:35 AM).]

[jadesmar]

unvote: Lucky
vote: Degenerate

We'll get back to you later LW.

[groza528]

bah, wish I'd seen that rule
I WILL check Ameb tonight, because if s/he is telling the truth it could lead to a rather large-ish Mason group. I will also email the two innocents I found so they can know each other. For now, vote: Degenerate

[Lucky Wizard]

Vote: Degenerate

[Nauplius]

unvote: jadesmar
vote: Degenerate

[Degenerate]

Sheesh. What can I say? We definetly lost this one.

Vote: Michael Jackson

[wordcross]

Degenerate: 7 (Lynched)
(Ameb, Orbiting, Quercitron, jadesmar, groza528, Lucky Wizard, Naupilus)

Did not vote: 5
Degenerate, Tyenar, Soothsayer, ralphmerridew, Puzzle Prodigy,

7 to lynch. Degenerate dies.

[wordcross]

Degenerate has all but confessed, and the others of the town drag him to the gallows. He dies quickly, and the town rushes to his house to assure their victory. Sure enough, the signs of his dark path are evident, and his house is all black to boot.

You have lynched another Maleferino Mafia! Only two left. Who dies tonight?

It is night again, send choices

Someone please solve the scroll

[This message has been edited by wordcross (edited 07-29-2002 12:11 AM).]

[ralphmerridew]

Which message has the second scroll posted?

[jadesmar]

I saw this scroll two days ago. I don't know the answer. Since we can communicate, I emailed groza today to see if he or any of his confirmed townies could answer it.

[jadesmar]

BTW: Did you see that.. three mafia in three days. At this rate.. two days left Go town!

[groza528]

I hope I'm allowed to do this at night: I shall attempt to solve the scroll.
"He leered at Beth for playing Othello"
I believe that is William Shakespeare because it makes links to his plays King Lear, Macbeth, and Othello.