Simpsons Mafia Part II (Part II)

[Werebear]

Logain, I said it's nothing personal. But the original post said:

[Logain]

Werebear, everything you said about Smithers is true, but in the Simpsons shows, there is a specific episode based on Mr.Burn's plot to block out the sun. In it, Smithers gets fired because he refused to go along with such an evil plot (even he had his limits I guess), and that was the two-part season finale cliffhanger where you even suspect Smithers of having shot Mr.Burns.

If you notice, the Mayor has consistently pulled quotes and themes directly from the show, so it sort of makes sense that Smithers is not affiliated with Mr.Burns in a scheme based on a show where Smithers left him.

Not to mention the fact that Handsome Dan made me a townie to probably just mess with our minds

Logain - The good Smithers

Not to put pressure on anyone, but this is most likely the deciding round. If we lynch an innocent, Snake or the mafia will most likely win.

Oh, and Werebear, as far as your argument about using only one Fat Tony member and Smithers...that would be the same as saying why use both Simpsons pets...why not just one. Both are here to make things consistent and have a full set. If Itchy happened to be here, I would surely expect Scratchy to be here too.

[Werebear]

*sigh* see, Logain, that's just what I get for only knowing what I read online. I haven't ruled you out, I don't know if I can rule anyone out, especially not Burns' right hand man, but I'm open for suggestions. Anyone have ANY thoughts on this mess? quercitron? Soothsayer? Help?

Werebear

[Corsato]

Originally posted by Logain:

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Oh, and Werebear, as far as your argument about using only one Fat Tony member and Smithers...that would be the same as saying why use both Simpsons pets...why not just one. Both are here to make things consistent and have a full set. If Itchy happened to be here, I would surely expect Scratchy to be here too.

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That's why we think you are evil mafia scum. Because everything seems to be devided in two (Homer & Marge, Bart & Lisa). Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you just say that if Mr Burns is mafia it would be expected that someone affiliated with him be on his side. (to make it consistent??).

Please explain what you meant by that last paragraph. You are dangerously close to dropping to the last place on my good-evil list

[Logain]

Corsato, that last paragraph meant that all of Fat Tony's group would be here. Why have Fat Tony and Legs without the 3rd guy Louie.

...and I just finished checking the Simpson's archive page, his name is Louie and they even list Legs and Louie together.

My arguement is that if I was mafia, then Louie wouldn't be here cause that would have made the mafia more powerful than the aliens.

[quercitron]

Okay, hello.

Has anyone thought about why the Mafia failed to kill last night? Did they attack Sooth?

Yes, I can understand you don't trust me, I have a worthless role and it's a very convienent one for a bad guy to claim. On the other hand, I am not lying. I can't prove my innocence, but I really am just a clueless Townie.

Here's my take on things:

Corsato is definitely innocent.

I really thought Sooth was Snake, but I'm starting to be pulled away from that. My major problem with his role is that it's way too powerful to be on the side of the Town. I've even considered the possibility that Snake can both escape night kills and see who was attacking him (maybe not all the time.) I would be willing to lynch Sooth today, especially because even if he's Town that puts us in a TTMD situation.

History: from D and D Mafia, stands for Townie Townie Monster Dragon, when the two killing groups must fire at each other to avoid losing and the Town wins.

IF Sooth is not Snake, than that leaves Werebear and Logain as Snake and Mafia (respectively, in my opinion.) I do think Logain's Smithers story is fishy, and I'd like to lynch him (once a bad guy, always a bad guy has been said, and I'll say it again), but my first priority today is to get rid of Snake.

So, Sooth: speak up, did the Mafia attack you? Other people: any ideas why there was no kill? I will vote for Logain or possibly Sooth or Werebear, depending on arguments.

q

Oh, I investigated myself for the hell of it, if anyone cares. Same basic result.

[Logain]

The lack of a kill by the mafia bothered me too, but I'm still thinking on that one, and well, since the mayor said he's try to answer our questions, here's three hypotheticals I'll see if he can answer *shrug* why not at least try.

1. If the mafia didn't choose a target last night, would one have been randomly chosen for him?
2. Could the mafia specify "no target" for some reason and that be accepted as a choice?
3. Would you ever report your nightly killings without including the fact that two groups chose to kill the same person?

[Mayor Quimby]

1. Presumably, yes. It was stated in the closing of the day yesterday.
2. I don't know, I'm not part of the mafia (honest ).
3. I don't know, I just report what I am told to report.

Sorry I'm not much help, I don't run the choices, I just announce 'em. These types of questions are just beyond my jurisdiction.

[Werebear]

...and what if there's Legs *AND* Smithers left? I'm wondering if we shouldn't all post our top three choices to lynch, and give each person on the list points for each number (#1 gets 3 pts, #2 gets 2, #3 gets 1 pt), and lynch the person with the highest number... is that as stupid as I think it is?

Werebear

[Corsato]

Well, isn't that just the same as voting for the one you want?? Right now I want to lynch either Logain or Quercitron. So I would put Quercitron still on spot one, and Logain on spot two and Werebear on spot three.

Logain: I still don't see what you meant. My point was that the two-by-two point made by Werebear isn't really very bad. Mr Burns brings someone, and Fat Tony brings someone. Considering that everything comes in two, why wouldn't they??

Oh, and guys, I'm really touched that you are starting to believe me after I ALMOST GOT LYNCHED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

[Logain]

Ugh, mayor your answers are killing me how about this one?....

4. Is Sooth in the hospital?

Hopefully he'll reply soon otherwise.

[edit]obviously Sooth is around since he posted a few hours ago in another thread[/edit]

[This message has been edited by Logain (edited 08-01-2002 02:41 PM).]

[Werebear]

Corsato - I was the biggest advocate of lynching you... until SLH showed up. From then on, you'll see I've been one of your best backups. My three would be: Logain, Querci, and then Sooth. Sooth I believe, but not as much as Corsato. *shrug* I'm still willing to hear other ideas. However, until then, I don't think I'm doing too wrong by
Revote: Logain (sorry, Logain, but of the choices, I'd guess you're a killer.)

Werebear, hoping he doesn't regret his decision

[Werebear]

quote:

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The aliens, not to be outdone, had their own target: Soothsayer. Fortunately they failed to kill Soothsayer, he has just been hospitalized, but he will be unable to talk or vote for this entire day.

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I think we would have been told if he were hospitalized...

Werebear

[Corsato]

MMMM, you are almost too good a backup....I might get suspicious on you later, and I foresee that you will be moving down on my list after we lynch someone

[Werebear]

Oh! in that case... CORSATO NEEDS TO FRY!! (sets phaser to "extra crispy") *laugh* that better?

Werebear

[Logain]

Wait, I know the last failed attempt was reported, but doesn't this bother anyone else, or am I reading too much into it?

I bolded it for emphasis...

Originally posted by Mayor Quimby:

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In other news, the mafia apparently failed to kill last night.

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[Werebear]

Do you think Snake is immune to the mafia?

Werebear

[Logain]

I had a theory on Sooth being Snake and erased it when I realized it made no sense.

1st, it makes no sense that Sooth is mafia. A mafia goon would not have any reason to be able to survive an alien attack.
2nd, on the night Sooth was attacked by aliens, Snake was getting treated for a bullet wound by Dr.Nick before killing him. As far as I am assuming, the aliens would not be using guns.

[Corsato]

~~ Likes the idea of extra crispy, starts chewing on his finger ~~
lol @ Werebear

Maybe the mafia can enlighten us with the answer to this question

[e]Added a line. Two posts for three lines seemed too much[/e]

[This message has been edited by Corsato (edited 08-01-2002 04:03 PM).]

[Werebear]

I'm leaving it up to you guys from here on... I"m goign to be GOLFING, of all the stupid things, tomorrow all day... (Read: Drinking beer while pretending to hit a small white ball around) But I will check in tonight and tomorrow morning, if I can. You guys are making my head spin. We're just going to have to take our best shot, and cross our fingers (and toes)

Werebear

[Logain]

OK, things are worse than they seemed to me at first. There are 5 of us left. Soothsayer appears to be out for the round. IF he is Apu, then that leaves 4 of us voting, two of us are evil. With 3 needed to lynch, things may be difficult to say the least for the town's side. I'm just hoping that if Sooth is good, then whoever is Snake or mafia is willing to lynch the other.

With Werebear voting for me, I don't see how we can lynch someone besides me now...that is if Sooth can't speak. If I vote for quercitron or Corsato, they would vote me and that would bring me to two votes and I would assume the other would just go along. Unless Werebear changes, I don't see a choice but to vote for him. He's not my top pick obviously. Any ideas...Corsato?

[Werebear]

ROFL. This is a fine pickle. Noone is going to vote for themselves, so we cannot get four.

MAYOR! Can Soothsayer talk? If not, how can we get four?

Werebear

[Logain]

Werebear, we need 3, not 4 to lynch.

[Werebear]

Well, isn't my brain gucamole. And a few messages ago, I was telling Quimby that. You guys talk, decide who deserves a lynch, and if there's two worthy votes for someone else, I will change my vote. My brain is done with this, it seems everyone has kind of said their piece, it's just up to us to find the liars, and I can't think. *laugh* Seriously, I don't know what to do any more, just make sure it's not the mafia and snake giving me direction, please!

Werebear

[quercitron]

I've said mine, many times, but I'll repeat myself.

1. I am not a bad guy.

2. Corsato is not a bad guy.

3. I'd really like to know why there was no Mafia kill last night. Is there any reason that the Mafia would choose not to kill?

4. Logain has already admitted to being Smithers, who is affiliated with Mr. Burns, who is the head of the Mafia.

5. I still think Sooth is the Serial Killer, because if he isn't, then Werebear is, and even though Werebear's role doesn't do anything, I believe him more than Sooth, simply because SOOTH'S ROLE IS TOO POWERFUL.

6. We need to do something. Vote: Logain

[Logain]

Corsato, it's up to you. First off I'm praying that you are really Snowball, otherwise I'll feel really silly cause you were just waiting for 2 votes for me so you can make the 3rd to get me lynched. Trust me on this one, if you vote for me the game is over. Werebear and quercitron must be Snake and Louie. I believe Sooth is Apu and Louie put him out of commission this round to lock in the votes like this. Mayor Quimby has screwed the town again with his cryptic night recap just like he did when he skipped town to start the game

Think about this. Why would Lovejoy be a paranoid investigator? Did anything in the Simpson's ever suggest him being that type of role. His WIFE was the snoop, not him!!!! Plus that even adds to the problem. Lovejoy would be the ONLY character who isn't single and doesn't have their partner as a character too. This is why I keep stressing Louie must the the last mafia. You would not have Legs without Louie. (and like I said if you are not Snowball this is just blowing hot air)...but you didn't have SLH without Snowball. Forget the whole two things...it's a group thing. You wouldn't see Lenny without Carl, you had all 3 Simpson children...not just Bart & Lisa!!

Vote: quercitron

Lastly, if I was mafia, why the hell would I want Soothsayer not to vote. The less people left to vote the easier a bandwagon would get to lynch the most questionable character which is me, Smithers.

[Werebear]

Interesting, Logain. You're repeating what everyone knows, everyone is suspicious of everyone. I'm almost tempted to switch my vote to quercitron. Anyone have any thoughts on this? As to your second point, um, noone said they didn't want Sooth to vote, we're just curious if his silence is HIS, or IMPOSED on him. That's all.

Werebear

[Logain]

Werebear, I am assuming Sooth's silence is imposed cause of the following. 1) why would he not say a word? 2) He's been on the GL today. 3) The Mayor has not denied Sooth was attacked, which makes me think he was but Quimby is being cryptic to make things more interesting. 4) All doctors are dead, so Apu wouldn't have healed in a hospital that reported his gunshot. 5) If Sooth was Snake, he would've jumped at the chance to give me a 3rd vote as soon as I got two of them.

enough babbling though...it's time to vote quercitron to show his role as the investigative reverend is a hoax!

[quercitron]

This isn't going to work, Smithers. I'm glad to see that you're getting all panicky, because it confirms my suspicions. You're desperate to get someone - anyone - Werebear or me - lynched before Sooth comes back and denounces you in front of everyone. Well, it's not going to work. The Town can still win this one. There are five left, Corsato and I are innocent, and I've just become convinced Sooth is innocent, so guess what that means - we lynch you today and string up Weresnake tomorrow. You Mafia scum.

Confirm vote: Smithers, Mafia goon (Logain)

Think about it. Who didn't even bother to make up a role? We've been leaving a Mafia member alive all this time, all because he said "well I'm affiliated with the Mafia, but I'm not bad! Honest!"

I've got news for you. No one's deceived. Snake knows what he's doing, he wants to live until the last round (although I'd certainly be happy to lynch him today as well.) And how does Snake live until the last round? If we lynch the only other person who can kill at night during the day. At least you'll go out in flames, Werebear.

This isn't even lynch-or-lose, because the killers can shoot each other if we make a mistake. On the other hand, it's best for the Town if we just take Smithers and Snakey out right now.

Die, scum.

q

[Logain]

Well Werebear, what do you have to say to that?

If you are innocent, I hope you can see through quercitron's B.S. Twisting my words, I never said I was affiliated with the mafia and am good. I worked for Burns...and quit when he affiliated with the mafia.

If you are Snake (sorry, it's what I'm pretty sure of), you wouldn't want me to die and have Louie quercitron live. If he does, the scenario would end with you both killing each other....most likely tonight since neither of you will trust the other to kill Corsato. Soothsayer would win. If you didn't kill each other, Corsato dies and you lynch Sooth, then both kill each other. Therefore, if you lynch Louie quercitron, you still have a chance of getting one of use remaining innocents lynched and winning...I admit a small one...but better none-the-less.

[This message has been edited by Logain (edited 08-02-2002 12:23 AM).]

[quercitron]

Yeah, I think BS would be a pretty good word to describe your post, myself. Scum.

[Corsato]

Mmm, difficult choice it is.

But I guess I'll take my chances with Quercitron. He seems to have evil scum written all over him. That makes it 2-2 I know, But I'm positive Werebear will switch. If not, I''ll switch soon.
Vote: Quercitron

[Soothsayer]

sorry for not posting - had probs IRL that have now been sorted. Will review the thread and post later. I can reveal that all doesn't sound sweet in the Quercitron camp.

I was not attacked last night and can only speculate that the reason why there was no kill by the mafia is down to one of three reasons:

1) There are no mafia left (it'd be good but I doubt it)
2) The mafia didn't send their choice in on time (unlikely)
3) The mafia chose someone to kill but a doc saved their life (no doc calimed roles)

Any thoughts anyone?

[Corsato]

1) No mafia left:
This is not possible. Yesterday we lynched an innocent, and the night before yesterday (night 7) the mafia made a kill. So if the mafia made a kill in night 7, and after night 7 no mafia was killed, there has to be at least one alive.

2) Mafia forgot to send a target:
That would be a incredibly stupid thing. A mafia forgetting to sent in an investigation clearly deserves to lose.

3) There is a doc:
This means we have a lying townie.
Normally that wouldn't be good IMHO, but it would be very handy now

What about option nummero 4:
One role (Snake??) is immume to night killes.

[Logain]

LOL Sooth. Nice to see you can post this round....you had me doing too much speculation last night on why you were being so quiet.

My take on it is either:
A) Snake is immune to a mafia night kill.
B) The mafia purposely chose a no-kill for some weird reason.

[Werebear]

I'm so confused... now I'm a top suspect! Because I want to kill killers! What kind of logic is that!? Wouldn't I be more suspect if I wanted to kill townies? Corsato - Why would I switch? Is he really the last mafia? Is he Snake? Is he a townie? I don't know. I will give you this, Corsato. I will indeed switch, if another person joins your bandwagon, and if you're *that* sure he's a killer. You're about the only player I believe, so if you turn out to be a killer, I'm sunk for sure. *laugh* Is that fair?

Lastly, Mayor: Why was there no mafia kill yesterday? Do you have any information you can give us?"

Werebear

Werebear

[Werebear]

Oh, pits, it's already 2-2. You know what? It's in Sooth's court now. If he hasn't voted by tonight, I'll change my vote and pray to hell you're right. If we lynch a townie tonight, the town is dead as a doorknob.

I'm going to be golfing all day (ROFL, I can't golf, never have), so I won't be on until tonight.

Werebear

[Werebear]

One last thing, Quercitron, did you ever consider you're wrong?

Werebear

[Corsato]

I guess it's up to Soothsayer then.

[Soothsayer]

Choices, choices

So it really comes down to picking out who is Snake and who is mafia.

The claimed roles once again:
Corsato - Snowball...voting for Quercitron
Logain - Smithers...voting for Quercitron
Quercitron - Rev L...voting for Logain
Werebear - Willy...voting for Logain
Sooth - Apu

As it happens I bevieve both Logain and Quercitron are guilty

I think that Smithers is indeed a mafia member (via Burns) but is unsure with his conscious as to whether to kill every night. Last night he opted not to and say I will give him the benefit of the doubt (for now).

This leaves us with Quercitron. Do we have a paranoid investigator? - I'm not sure. He has killed off quite a few innocents (but haven't we all) and has posted some very good arguements. However, I have this nagging suspicion about him. I don't think his role exists. I think it would be far more likely that there be a Flanders in this game than a Lovejoy - simply put I think you are lying.

vote: Quercitron - i guess we'll find out later whether I was right!