Simpsons Mafia Part II (Part II)

[Mayor Quimby]

Yes, yes, as you can all see, Soothsayer is doing just fine. I was out last night and couldn't update.

Werebear:

I don't know why there was no kill last night, I don't handle the choices, I just pass on information sent to me here in the Bahamas.

I have plenty of information I can give you. Most of it has to do with citizens of our fair town (things you might or might not be able to find in The Simpsons Archive), and absolutely none of it has to do with who sent what choice last night, or what the hell happened and why.

[This message has been edited by Mayor Quimby (edited 08-02-2002 10:24 AM).]

[quercitron]

quercitron (3), will be lynched as soon as Mod gets back.

Bah. GO TOWN. Sometime after the game is over you might want to thank me for the no kill. The only reason for it is because I'd rather see a Town win than a SK win, and an SK win would be virtually guaranteed if we started the day with 4 people.

No offense to you Snake, you've played quite well, but you killed one of my family and you've been a huge pain in my ass. I won't be unhappy to see you lynched tomorrow. One last request: kill Smithers for me, that traitorous little goon.

Smithers, you're supposed to be on my side, you know. Traitor.

It was fun while it lasted! And yes, I thought about Flanders.

q

[Mayor Quimby]

Sorry, when I posted, Sooth's vote wasn't there.

Quercitron is led to the Catapult of Justice, like many before him. He has already admitted to the town that he is the final mafia they seek. He steps into the loading dish wishing the town good luck...and then he is catapulted into oblivion.

Quercitron, Louie (member of the mafia), is dead. It is NIGHT, please send choices. The deadline for choices is ASAP, I am leaving for a week tomorrow, and want to get the next day started.

[Mike_Amok]

Arf.

[Mayor Quimby]

Logain was having that dream again last night. The one that he had every night since he met him. You know that dream where they fly in throught the window....?

His dream was interrupted by some noise downstairs. Frightened, he tried to remain still and appear asleep as the noises came upstairs. Down the hall, into his bedroom, rooting through the drawers the noises came closer. Logain stayed perfectly still, but as the noises came up to his dresser by the bed and began playing "Wallet-Inspector" he peeked one eye open to see what the noises were.

All he saw was a snake tattoo crawling up an arm, and then the noises became a voice.

"Bye."

The Dead:

Logain (Smithers, town, killed by Snake)

It is Day, 2 VOTES TO CATAPULT, No Deadline.

I am going away for a week. I will be back next Saturday night. I will try to get internet access, but I have no promises. Please proceed as normal, the person who reaches 2 votes first will be the one I lynch when I get back (or when I get access). Good luck.

[Corsato]

Here we go again: (my list from innocent to guilty)
Corsato - Snowball - obviously innocent
Soothsayer - Apu Napelirtedfogodrirhjg (or something like that ) - Don't know what to think. Due to events that happened his claim is very strong.
Werebear - Groundkeeper Willy - Probably the weakest claim, because he's really vague about his ability.

I'm a bit confused about the night killing? Why would he kill Logain, who was under suspicion?? We would probably have lynched him.

[Werebear]

A lot has happened since I last read this thread... and then there were three. The decision is yours, Corsato. But I'm telling you, Sooth is Snake. Snake obviously needs to be LYNCHED in order to die, the same as Krusty needed to be killed at night instead of lynched. It all makes sense now, one good guy who can't be lynched (Krusty), one bad guy who can't be killed at night (Snake). He used his ability to make himself seem too dangerous to kill, after all, what nighttime killer wants to kill someone, if they think he's going to 1) SURVIVE, and 2) BE ABLE TO TELL THE WHOLE TOWN WHO A KILLER IS. That kind of power is amazing, and not true. We had two cops, three docs (one doc who was bad, so really two docs)... Barney and Moe were a set, we had four aliens, four mafia, and Grampa Simpson and I were a set, we both sent in names, one to find townies, one to find mafia.... and then we have one shopkeeper who was not about to be lynched by the town, because of his "importance", and was not about to be killed by the mafia or aliens, because of his "abilities". It's the perfect setup, you couldn't ask for a better alibi.

Quercitron really thought I was Snake, because he really believed Sooth was Apu. So he asked me, Werebear, to kill Smithers. Smithers immediately dies. Hey, wait, Werebear hasn't posted since YESTERDAY, before the lynch. (Remind me to tell you what a great day I had yesterday, BTW.) I'm sorry, but someone is trying to set me up... and you know who that is.

I'm voting for Sooth. Sooth is going to vote for me, along with some scathing arguments, and I don't blame him, he's trying to survive too. The choice is yours, please use it to kill Snake.

Vote: SoothSnaker *chuckle* And BTW, I bow to your abilities, formidable foe.
Werebear

[Soothsayer]

and so Werebear seals his fate

vote: Werebear nasty Snake who is about to get his head chopped off. If you want to hear my reasons why and go through all the posst referring to where Snake and I could not have been the same person I will happily do that on Monday when I have more time.

However in the meanwhile I would like to congratulate my follow townsman on a cracking game. Woohoo we have won

[Werebear]

Please, please, please do! I can't wait to hear this, Snake. Wiggling your way out of this one is going to be tough, O "all powerful" Apu. I just hope when I'm a killer, that I come up with something that both the town and the mafia are afraid to hurt. Again, I bow to your resourcefulness and cleverness, but I'm sure Corsato realizes the truth. This isn't his first clambake, you know.

Werebear

[ghost of quercitron]

Ha, take that Smithers!

[Werebear]

A few odds and ends -

I just read your question, Corsato. Why would I kill Smithers? Simple, I wouldn't. If I were Snake, and it were my choice, I would have killed YOU, Corsato. It's the most logical route if I were Snake. Then, who would be left? Me as Snake, Smithers, someone touted as evil, and Apu, a self-certified goodie. Getting Apu against Smithers wouldn't have been so bad. Yet, somehow, the request asked by Louie got fulfilled, leaving me as the "bad guy", because everyone believes you, Corsato (and if you're lying, wouldn't that be a kick in the ass. ROFL.), and Apu has gained noteriety with his fake video tape story. How did that request get fulfilled? You figure it out. It made me look bad, though... which I'm sure was the point.

Quercitron, when this is over, you're going to have to let me in on your rather odd request. Deal?

Lastly, I just wanted to say to all of you... whether my side wins or loses, this has been a rocking game, and it was a pleasure to be frustrated and confused by all of you.

Werebear, the one unable to keep his mouth shut. *laugh*

[Corsato]

Wouldn't it be funny if I turned out to be Snake . Too bad I'm not.

Werebear:
You have the weakest claim. So you're probably going down. Unless I find some clues in Sooth's posts.

Sooth:
I really like to read the list of all the post that say you and Snake can't be the same person. That would make my life so much easier.

This game reminds me of a minigame I played, and where I choose the wrong person. Mafia won

[Werebear]

Hm, actually, I'm kinda confused. What is "The Weakest Claim"? If it means my role doesn't sound as "important" as Sooth's, that's because I can't claim miracle powers like he is. I'm sorry I can't survive night kills and hand the town the name of the person who tried to kill me. I was a supportive role. I was a worker at the school, who could help avert a lynch for the most important characters.

I can only say a few more things in my defense... The reason everyone thought I was Snake was because Sooth survived an alien attack. I thought he was town myself, until the very end. It's only elimination that proves to me he's Snake, the rest is piecing together the evidence.

Diplomat was Krusty. When he was starting to be bandwagoned, he said "Cool" and voted for himself, saying he'd been waiting for this. He was unlynchable. He'd known since the beginning, or he wouldn't have been so eager to get lynched. Someone else got an email at the beginning that was very pleasing to them - Snake. The email was parallel to Krusty's - Krusty was a good guy who couldn't be killed by good guys. Snake was a bad guy who couldn't be killed by bad guys, just hospitalized. When Sooth received this, he immediately made up a story that would go around his real abilities and would make him invaluable to the good guys - no WAY would they lynch someone who could not only survive night attacks, but who might be able to finger the attackers! Not only that, the character he chose would make the bad guys hesitate - who would want to try and kill someone at night who could not only survive the attack, but who could tell the town who attacked them! So Sooth, clever Snake, has been riding high. He was attacked once, and - MIRACLE OF MIRACLES, the very person who attacked him was lynched the next day. He was clearly able to ID the dead alien. Now, one other point there - he was attacked by ALIENS. And the one he chose to say he identified was the one lynched that day. Question - if his "video tapes" were so valuable, how come he couldn't ID Internet Stranger? Wasn't IS an alien? Did each alien send in a separate vote? I don't think so. But by the oddest coincidence, he chose to say he ID'd macros, the one who died, on his alleged videotapes. COME ON, there's holes in his story a mile high!

One last point - Sooth is going to bring up posts 301 and 331 in the old thread, telling how he was in the hospital. You know, it really would have been nice of Mayor Quimby to say "Right after Snake killed, he was put into the hospital by aliens" and "Snake got out of the hospital just in time for his next kill"... but I really don't think that's Handsome Dan's style. HD would have done his best not to have given away Snake's identity.

I really wish I could have been a better help to the town. I did my best to lynch the bad guys. I did some good things, I made mistakes. But please don't throw away all the hard work of all the town members just because my role sounds too realistic.

Werebear

[Ghost Post]

Even though I didn't survive the final night it was fun to get this far. Quercitron just wanted me dead cause I saw through his little ruse and prevented his win with a lynch

I thought it was a miracle that I was able to not get lynched after revealing my role. Good luck townies!

[quercitron]

I wanted you dead because I was told you were on my side, and then you betrayed me

[Corsato]

I'm clueless. I re-re-read the whole thread tonight, wait for Sooth's post and make a choice.

[Soothsayer]

Time to get this game finished and answer your questions in turn. In case you can't be bothered and just want to know who I am going to vote for, its Werebear

vote: Werebear

Now to get answer your questions:
1) I have miracle powers
I have to admit that I used a bit of poetic license on this one. I said previously that I was immune to night killings - this isn't exactly true. If attacked, I have a 75% chance of surviving - and if attacked again I only have a 33.3% chance of surviving. I told the town I would survive as I thought it would stop the mafia from attacking me and wasting their nights action - seemingly this has worked.

2) Is Soothsayer or Werebear the true Snake?

[Soothsayer]

Corsato - I guess its down to you now. I was in the same position on the last day and chose Quercitron (as you did). Strange that Quercitron and Werebear both picked Logain don't you think?

[Corsato]

~~ Suddenly feels a pressure on his shoulder ~~

I will re-re-read the thread when I get home from work, and make a decision then. After I've voted, I like that either Sooth or Were posts the deadscene, as they both who speaks the truth.

One last question to Werebear: How do you think that the things happened that night can be explained (I mean Snake getting shot, Sooth being hospitalized etc...)

[Corsato]

Ahh, I see you have done so. Never mind the question Werebear.

[Werebear]

I think whoever survives should post the death scene. If Sooth is picked (and of course ends up sole survivor), and doesn't wish to, I would be honored to. (Like I said, this game has been a riot, and town win or town lose, it's been a pleasure from beginning to end)

Werebear

[Soothsayer]

Werebear - you better start writing your own death scene as you're about to get lynched.

[Werebear]

ROFL, OK, how about it ends "And Snake hopped into Little Bandit, revved the engines, and tore out of Springfield, not even noticing when it drove over the looted bodies of the school groundskeeper and the Simpson's cat"?

Werebear

[Soothsayer]

hehe

Werebear, just for the benefit of Corsato and to amuse me a little bit longer, please can you explain once again what your role is

[Werebear]

[sarcasm]
I'm the school principal. Since I have cameras in the halls, I can identify killers. I'm used to violence, so I survive any attacks, and can merrily tell the town who it was. Oh, wait, I can only survive a percent of attacks, and... um... can only tell you who it was after they're dead, and... um... and cats can't lynch me. It said so in my original email. The cat will die instead. So don't even try.
[/sarcasm]

You know, I really don't see that "being used to violence" is a good reason to survive a night attack. Aren't cops more used to violence than shopkeepers? Wouldn't it take someone sneaky and REALLY used to violence, like, oh, a serial killer?

Also, thanks for changing the story now, after it's impossible for anyone to test it. "Oh, I had a 75% chance of surviving the first attack, and 33% the next". You could have said "I had a 10% chance of surviving the first attack, and none the next" or "100% of surviving the first, and 90% of the second, and we would be none the wiser. You did pick nice, realistic numbers though. LIAR! Every time you add something to your story, you make it less believeable.

By the way, any answer on how come the alien you identified was coincidentally the one who just died, and not the one who stayed until almost the end? don't tell me, it's just a coincidence.

Werebear

[Soothsayer]

[Werebear]

Corsato? Any thoughts? Any questions? The vote count is fairly easy to see. And if it is you, Corsato, and you're just stringing us along to watch us accuse each other... I'm going to die laughing before I get killed.

Werebear

[Corsato]

I'm like a cat playing with his pray...well, actually I am

I will be home from work in about an our, and I'll do some reading, make up my mind and vote. I have no more questions. I think no matter what I ask, it will only add to the conclusion.

[Corsato]

And I can honostly tell you that is doesn't look too good for you Werebear. I think that Soothsayer has a stronger claim then you have. So unless you can prove him wrong in the next few hours, you're faith will be sealed. But I beleive you've shot all your arrows.

So there you have my final thoughts. This game will end tonight. Or I should end up under a busor something

[Soothsayer]

nice one Corsato - unfortunately i will not have the luxury of posting again until tomorrow morning and so I will not be able to explain the flaws in Werebear's innevitable and numerous posts that will no doubt fall on this thread like a torrent of insanity.

And so I will leave it to you to kill off the nasty Snake, congratulate one and all for a fabulous game and trot off to the store room in the Kwik-E-Mart to get some premium cat food to give you as a congratulatory prize... that is unless you would prefer a hotdog?

[Werebear]

My, wasn't that self-congratulatory and assuming. *laugh* one of several things is happening here.

1) Corsato is Snake, and is yanking Sooth and my chains. Possible, but not likely
2) Corsato thinks Sooth is snake, and just is posting these messages to get confirmation. Somehow, I have the sinking feeling this isn't the case either.
3) Corsato thinks I'm Snake, and is merely waiting until he votes me.

Corsato - what did I do? I told my role. I'm not making this up as I go along. My story hasn't changed half a dozen times, like Sooth's has. His only claim to fame is that he survived an alien attack, and was able to finger the killer... after his lynch. Nothing has been said or done by him that couldn't have been said or done by Snake.

Once again, for the last time, I implore you - look at his story especially crafted to make bad guys leery of killing him, and good guys love him. The only time his story could have been proven was if someone tried to kill him at night, and he made damn sure that wasn't going to happen. Do you really think APU would survive an alien attack? The most a mod would do would be make it so the tapes revealed the killer - but to make a character unkillable at night, AND have him have investigative powers to find his killer That isn't setting off alarms in your head saying "Kinda a little much for one character"? Of course, that story was altered at the last minute, but we won't go there again. Of course, COINCIDENTALLY, when he could talk again, he named the character lynched last day. And what gain would I have killing Logain?? I was already accused of being Snake, Logain was the next best target. Instead I'm stuck here with you, a confirmed innocent, and Apu, who, though he really hasn't supported his claim, apparently can do no wrong. It would have been much better, had I been snake, to kill you. Bah, I'm repeating myself.

Do I sound desperate with my messages? Of course I do, I'm watching a win for the town slipping through our fingers. You have to vote your conscience, corsato... but please think long and hard about what I've said. I really really wish I'd made better choices as Willie, but I can't change that now. I really really wish I could have some amazing ability that would impress you like Sooth's, but then, I'll bet "Apu" wishes he had those powers too.

*crossing fingers and claws, praying for Corsato to make the right choice*

Werebear

[Werebear]

Oh, one other thing, Sooth and I talked on AIM, for better or worse, I'll be posting the death scene, if that's OK with you. It was such a nice converstaion. *cackle*

quote:

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NYWerebear: SNAKE
s00thsayer2000: SNAKE back at you

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Werebear

[Corsato]

Bah, this really sucks. Is it too late to get a replacement ??
But seriously, I've your cases and this is my ruling:

Werebear says he is Groundkeeper Willy. He has an ability, very vague, and hasn't been able to use it properly. His claim is very week, and is far from perfect. But heh, a claim that's perfect on all accounts isn't believable either.

Soothsayer says he is Apu (I'm too lazy to look up the last name). He claimed his role in a very strange way, namely in another thread, as defense a bandwagon in another game (This one should definately go in the Mafia haal of shame ). He has very powerful abilities.
1) He has a 75% chance of surviving a first attack, and 33% of surviving a second.
2) He can videotape his attackers, and can tell who attacked him.
We know he has been attacked by aliens. On the night after the attack Snake kills Dr Nick, so we know Macros to be lying scum. Macros is lynched and turns out to be an alien. And it turns out to be the alien that attacked Apu. What a coincedence.

But it all comes down to the fact that in one night, Snake was attacked with a bullet, while Soothsayer was attacked by Aliens. For the Sooth to be Snake, the aliens must have used bullets. Seeing the other deadscene's that seems highly unlikely.

This is my reasoning behind my vote for WereSnake.

Vote: Werebear

~~ Crosses fingers ~~

[Werebear]

So there stood the last few survivors of the doomed town of Springfield. Two men, claiming to be Groundskeeper Willie and Apu, both trying to convince Snowball II that they were not Snake. The confused cat looked back and forth, as Willie says "You self-serving little pampered bow-wearing hairball, can't even a dense rodent like you see who he is?" and Apu says "Follow your heart, little feline, it will lead you to a place where all answers lie" Finally, snowball came to a decision. Hissing and spitting, the cat turns suddenly on Willy, and together, the cat and Apu back Willy up against the town catapult.
"Ya lil' runt! git away from me!" Willie says, not realizing how close to doom he is. He falls backwards into the catapult just as Apu pulls out a knife and slashes the rope. "Ahh! I wish I'd killed you all!" echoes through the hills of Springfield, just before the bone-crunching THUD of Snake hitting the top of Chief Wiggam's police cruiser sounds. Apu needs to work on his aim.

And so, the Springfield Murders are over. Apu goes back to his store, and opens a restaurant with the cash he later pulls off of Snake's broken corpse. Groundskeeper Willie is found not much after, killed for the engagement ring he had purchased for Marty Bobbins. Apu's restaurant gets a reputation for cheap chicken dinners, but Snowball isn't found again.

*laugh* Good game, all. A pleasure. Good choice, Corsato.

Werebear

[Corsato]

~~ Gives APU a paw, and takes a hotdog ~~

You almost had me convinced Werebear, but it seemed to just too impossible that Sooth played a little gambit. You've played a great game Werebear. Compliments to you.

Handsome Dan: Thanks for modding.

A few question remain:
- Handsome Dan: What about that special ability you promised me ??
- Werebear: Why didn't you kill me ?? Were you hoping that all that I-believe-you-to-be-Snowball nonsense made me believe you ??

Oh yeah, and w00t we've won and stuff like that.

[Bear Skin Rug]

Well, I was afraid Apu would survive (or the video tapes would reveal me) and also wasn't sure what special abilities, if any, Logain had. So I decided to play it safe and kill Logain, thinking I could use that as a chip against Apu. Then my only task would be convincing you that Apu was a baddie, and it proved to be tougher than I'd anticipated. *laughs delightedly* You know, Sooth's character WAS over-powered, but I assumed Fat Tony's powers balanced them. Too bad Fat Tony was killed off at the beginning, he would have made an interesting character. Now what I'm really looking forwards to is HD posting the characters, and what their abilities were. Corsato, your 'special ability' thing almost got your lynched. I'm especially curious about that.

Werebear

[Logain]

Good choice Corsato! Werebear, great job of almost pulling it off. I was convinced you were Snake the previous round in which we were lynching Quercitron, which is probably why you killed me rather than Corsato, but your arguments still left some doubt till the very end.

It was kind of funny Werebear, but early on when you posted that picture of Willy it seemed natural like you were getting into character, but in the last two nights I started thinking...hey, he just got the picture while researching for a role to pretend to be.

[jadesmar]

Sorry Logain. I really did thing you were mafia.
Well played Corsato.. Appologies to town, apparently your chief of police never found any actual mafia. I probably would have never been able to find Snake however, all I was told was mafia or not mafia... acutally, all I was told was "Not Mafia".. but that was due to the choices I (and mudster) made.
-Chief jadesmar Wiggam

[Corsato]

Well, I'm really starting to wonder if I'll get some ability

My original role said the following:

Originally posted by The mod in an email:

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Snowball
You are the Simpsons’ cat. That is all for now.

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When I asked what that means I got the following answer:

Originally posted by The mod in an email:

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You will find out more about your role later on.

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When I asked later on, I received the following answer:

Originally posted by The mod in an email:

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I won't give you any more information about your role
at this time.

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This was the night after I almost got lynched. And I wasn't almost lynched because of my claim, I had 9 votes (10 needed) when I claimed my role. Luckily Mike_Amok (SLH) saved me.

I understand your reasoning, but why were you afraid of killing me. You couldn't attack Sooth because he was immume (at least we tought he was). Killing me would give an endgame between you, Sooth and Logain. I believe you would have won.

[This message has been edited by Corsato (edited 08-05-2002 03:49 PM).]

[Bear Skin Rug]

I had a GREAT pic of Willie with an axe lined up, but it got taken offline before I could use it. Oh well.