Mafia Chapter XLVIII (game over, mafia/vampires tie)

[Dread Pirate Westley]

Originally posted by Corsato in Reply 12:

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And because I have a chance of blowing his cover, he now tries to frame me.
I'll Vote: Cadmium, Dracula scum.

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Perhaps he wasn't just lying to save his skin. Perhaps he was telling the truth to save his skin. But as Jadesmar says, we'll find out when we lynch someone.

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[jadesmar]

Oh, as for claimed roles,

I think it should be almost clear to everyone that I am also a Patrol Cop. Every night we protect someone and have a chance of catching the killer.

Me and Puzzle Prodigy had a system where we both protected each other. Last night I captured Cadmium; one attacker managed to escape me (but obviously not someone else).

[quercitron]

THE CLAIM LIST

jadesmar - Patrolman, catches things
Porro - Patrolman, possibly monster
Neo - Frankenstein, possibly Evil Doctor as we know one exists
Ferris - Van Helsing, screws with vampires
Quailman - Townie, self-proclaimed
Werebear - Townie, according to L'layne (?)
crazycellist - Egyptologist Mason
Popaboolie - Egyptologist Mason
quercitron II - unclaimed Town role

Cadmium - Quincy Morris, but killed PP last night?
Mike Amok - ?, killed PP last night?

THE SHORT LIST:

Dread Pirate Westley
Tyenar

Doesn't look too good for those guys.

[Ferris]

Vote: Internet Stranger (nee: Tyenar)

Let's hear from the accused.

[Internet Stranger]

Im totally confused. I just skimmed over the old pages for this game. I have no clue why Tyenar acted the way he was. When I was given his role, I figured I would just coast on through and sail on to the end. Minimal participation required.

I was barely even checking the thread. I had to be reminded that day had started actually.

Tyenar is nothing more than a townie. No special powers, no hidden abilities. Just plain vanilla townie.

Im not even sure how many baddies there are supposed to be. Are all the people that claimed roles confirmed by the dead? Thats the only way to be sure someone is telling the truth. For example, the two masons, are we sure they arent baddies in disguise?

I also thought that Cadmium was a good guy that captured Corsato, why is he getting strung up?

I want more information before committing a vote. I guess I could use a quick summary. If not, just kill me as a lesson to not be a replacement in a 20 page game.

[jadesmar]

I also thought Cadmium was a good guy until I got my email this evening.

[quercitron]

I can confirm that the Egyptologists are telling the truth, although I am not one. Add that to your fun little list of facts. Also, I'd like to keep them alive, thank you very much.

q

[Cadmium]

What did just happen? I'm in prison and I will be killed when the day is over? Oh my God!! This just isn't right. Someone is trying to frame me, I think. Let's get over this again. MikeAmok and I were captured last night. Also, Jadesmar told us that a third person managed to escape. PP was killed by both mafia and a vampire. So my guess is that MikeAmok is either mafia or Dracula and that this third person is the other. I have no idea how I fit in here. Maybe it's an ability that the mafia or Dracula has.

Is there no way of getting out of here? This sucks bigtime!!

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[Eaten by ISE]

quote:

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Oh, as for claimed roles,
I think it should be almost clear to everyone that I am also a Patrol Cop. Every night we protect someone and have a chance of catching the killer.

Me and Puzzle Prodigy had a system where we both protected each other. Last night I captured Cadmium; one attacker managed to escape me (but obviously not someone else).

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...and who do you think that might have been (monster my @rs3)

Porro (new, and hopefully temporary identity)

[Werebear]

Does the town decide of an imprisoned is to be set free, or is it a given that they're dead?

Werebear

[Mark J Tilford]

They will be executed at the end of the day. They can not be freed.

[jadesmar]

I see.. interesting.
So any last words from the prisoners; have any buddies you want to give away; any innocent townies you would like to frame?

[Mark J Tilford]

I will parially retract my words; I am going to ask mole to clarify his instructions on that part, and post the result before the end of the day.

[Porro]

I'm Alive

[Porro]

[Porro]

[Porro]

Just to clear something up, Cadmium incorrectly said

[jadesmar]

Yes, sorry if there was any confusion. There were two attackers. I caught Cadmium. Apparently Porro caught Mike_Amok.

[Porro]

As you can probably guess, I'm busy catching up with recent events

quote:

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Logic:
1. If Cadmium is Dracula, he does not want to get caught.
2. If Cadmium does not want to get caught, he does not make a public announcement that he's caught the madman and make everyone vote for him, especially if it's not necessary, because we will lynch him the next day if he's lying.
3. Cadmium DID make said public announcement, at the risk of his own neck if he's lying.
CONCLUSION: Cadmium is not Dracula.
Any flaws in this logic?

Werebear

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Flaws? Not as such, but you have failed to consider the possibility of one scumbag betraying a fellow scumbag to prove his own innocence (it happens, as I found out to my expense in aa different game).

Unless there's a flaw in the patrolman roll that none of us are aware of, the two locked up ARE murderers and WILL be executed tonight.

[Cadmium]

Wow, can anybody please explain to me what is happening? I mean, I give you guys the madman, which was my duty. Then the next day I find myself in a prison, accused of a crime I didn't commit. I will be dead by the end of the day! Nobody understands what is going on. Except for one person, Porro.

The minute I get the slightest chance of justification, he goes into defense! He makes four posts in a row to convince everybody that I'm through.

First he says that he knows for sure that I'm done. How does he know that? Is he the mod or something? Come on, it written all over it that he's just afraid that there's a chance of me getting out of prison! Well, I'm warning you, should I get out, be carefull!!

Then he attacks Werebear for asking a simple question that doesn't mean anything! Why is he attacking him for simply asking a question? Is he that desperate to lynch someone? And how is he so sure that his role is always giving correct information. When you're playing mafia, you always have to consider the improbable things too. He's just too certain. It's like saying that the mod made a mistake when he/she didn't kill his target when being mafia, without considering that there could be a doc in the game. Well, I guess that doesn't matter to him at all. He just wants to attack people.

After that he's quoting himself. He says that he didn't realise that Jadesmar replaced SK. Well, you claim to be one of the patrolmen. And it seems to me that if you're a skilled player of mafia games, you should at least remember your own posse! It is really "mafia"-like to not know the exact situation of the game.

Then he's accusing me of something I supposedly said incorrectly ( and I'm a slimebucket ). How does that make me guilty? The only thing I know is that I'm in jail for something I didn't do. After realizing that, the only extra information I got, was from the thread. Now let me quote:

Originally posted by Jadesmar:

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Me and Puzzle Prodigy had a system where we both protected each other. Last night I captured Cadmium; one attacker managed to escape me (but obviously not someone else).

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Did I read something wrong here? It clearly says that someone escaped Jadesmar. I thought that he meant me as "someone else". It was only another piece of the jigsaw puzzle for me at the time. Now that I know that there were only two people, it gets only more confusing to me. Right now, I don't have any idea at all. How the hell did I get into this situation?

Right after Jadesmar explained the confusion, he posts again. Don't you think he's really overreacting at this point? Come on, almost five posts in a row. And why? The last post is another attack at Werebear. And look at the crappy reasons! This should be getting a little obvious by now.

Now for some short points:

• He makes five posts within half an hour accusing me and werebear.
  
• Why does he bother repeating I'm scum? I'm already screwed, right?
  
• Why does he keep attacking Werebear, who already is sort of cleared by L'layne.
  
• He is resurrected by Dr. Frankenstein. So far, every role from Dracula matches the novel. So that would make him the monster of Frankenstein.
  
• He didn't know who one of his fellow patrolman was, though it was pretty clear to the rest of us.
  

I've had my suspicions about Porro from the second he got back in the game and this is exactly how you'd think he'd react if I'm right. Also, why would I bother to keep participating in this game if I'm dead anyway? Just look at MikeAmok. He didn't bother to post anything. I did. And I hope you will all reconsider my point of view when you see I'm innocent (read when I'm dead).

Yeah, I think that's it for now. Just my last two cents .

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[jadesmar]

Just to add to the confusion here:
I have no affiliation with Porro.. only with Puzzle Prodigy and he's dead. I am thinking that there were 2 groups of 2 each in a mason/patrol situation.

[Ferris]

Let's have some votes, people.

[Werebear]

All I wanted was information. Cadmium handed us the madman on a silver platter. That kind of make him a good guy in my book. The chances are much greater that he's town. Maybe I missed something in the notes??!? Why I was asking - if the prisoners are doomed, then we have no decisions to make. If it was "arrest anyone at the site and it's up to the town to free anyone they think innocent", then we have to decide who's innocent and set them free.

Werebear

[Mark J Tilford]

I was chatting with mole, and we decided on the following:

In addition to your vote on who to lynch, you may also vote on whether or not a prisoner should be spared.

If a majority of the voters (6 votes) want to spare a particular person, then the governor will issue a pardon for that person, and the person will be released at the end of the day.

Any questions?

[Werebear]

Yeah, question - why did I make life tougher for us? *Grin* All right, convicts, present your cases. Who are you, and why should we let you go? Details, please, details.

Werebear

[jadesmar]

Ok, now we need:
2 - Attourneys for the defence
2 - District Attourneys
Do we have any judges here?.. can we borrow some from Salem Witches?

[Abigail English]

The Court is now in session.

[Porro]

lol Camnium, it's funny watching your flailing attempt to look innocent. Let me answer your points. If I miss any, feel free to let me know:

1. When I died, I was confirmed as a Patrolman. If I became a monster upon ressurection, would I still be able to catch criminals? I personally doubt it, or if I could catch people (as a Patrolmonster) then they may be good people, which could mean that MA is innocent, but not you. However as far as I'm aware I'm still a good Patrolman.

2.I'm not being defensive, I'm catching up with play, and contributing if and when I think I can. I read this thread as I was posting yesterday, and dealt with each point in turn, rather than have one long thread. I was also posting whilst reading the thread, hence the quoting myself to iron out any ambiguity.

3.I believed you would both be dead at the end of today because a) my role description from mole told me so, b) the mod said so when he announced your captures. You queried why I hadn't considered the possibility that the Patrolman isn't always given correct info. If you refer to the end of post 58 you may notice that the thought had crossed my mind. However, IMHO the patrolman role is weak enough as it is without adding the handicap of incorrect captures.

4.As noted by jadesmar, SK wasn't in my 'posse'.

5.You may have misread jadesmars post, or you may have tried to mislead the town, I don't know which. I merely corrected you (I didn't even accuse you of lying dood, so why the over-reaction?).

6.I'm not sure about werebear, so don't exaggerate my FOS of him .My previous post was not an attack on werebear, merely pointing out a possible flaw in his logic, and explaining why your appearance of being a goody could be a sham. As such it was another attack at you

7.I'm guessing your continued participation has achieved stage1 of the desired effect, namely getting the mod to change the rules and allow prisoners to be released (Why for you do that MJT? Was it to spice the game up, or was it mole's original intention despite what he said in role descriptions?).

8.As my closing point, I'll say why I FOS'd werebear when he asked if we could release prisoners. Because, as well as my role description which lead me to believe that they're evil, the mod said in post 33

[jadesmar]

How did Puzzle Prodigy get himself protected by 2 patrolmen and attacked by 2 killers in the same night That's a trick I might like to master.

Cadmium: What were you doing out at night if you had already found the madman?

[Quailman]

Jadesmar:

Originally posted by me, in reply 18:

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I suspect that Corsato is telling the truth when he says that he is R.M. Renfield. Based on his literary character, he can probably seek Count Dracula and kill innocent people on alternate nights. I don't think we've had madman victims two consecutive nights.

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I may have actually been correct on this one, though he may be a Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hyde character. When he found someone, he turned him over to us so we'd believe him to be a cop while he continued his dirty work thereafter.

[Quailman]

Oops! Wrong character. Well, maybe I'm right anyway.

[Werebear]

The question is, how would a vampire or a mafia imitate a patrol officer? I don't mean to beat a dead horse, Porro, but without looking back, I thought the patrols worked in groups (is there anyone out there who can VOUCH for Cadmium?), and I find it hard to believe a vampire would be out in the day at all... hey, maybe the vampire is not ALLOWED to vote during the day? *blinks* that would be logical, ir a little crazy... is there anyone who has been silent during the days? Um, back on track... and why would a vampire or mafia be given the power to find a madman and point him out? This is very confusing to me.

Werebear

[jadesmar]

I have a few points to make.

1. Me and Porro are not affiliated. We just happened to pick the same person to protect/patrol last night.
2. Porro might be a monster.
3. Even if Porro were a monster, he is not the one that captured Cadmium. Porro captured MikeAmok, I captured Cadmium. His being a monster is irrelevant to Cadmium's guilt.

[Cadmium]

w00t!!

This is good, really good. Could it be that I will get some justice here?
Ha, take that, "mafia" scum. You expected to get an innocent lynched, right? Well, now there might be a small chance that I will survive anyway.

So what do you guys want me to do now? I mean, you are the ones that decide wether I live or not. It's hard for me to prove my innocence to you here. Even impossible to prove it to some of you (I'm not mentioning names, porro ). What do you guys want to know? I already told my role. Let me go over it again. And after that I'll try to defend myself.

Role

I'm Quincey Morris, a friend of Dr. Seward. He was capable of curing the madman Renfield. I did not know who Dr. Seward was when the game started, but he got killed right away. My duty was helping him to find Renfield. And that's exactly what I did. One Madman less . The role description did not say what would happen if I would have chosen to investigate Dr. Seward.

Defense

• I told you Corsato was the Madman. Corsato said he was Renfield but not the madman. After his lynch, he did turn out to be the madman, so he was lying.
  
• Me knowing who the madman was can mean only two things. I'm either telling my true role or I'm Dracula. I'm not even sure if Dracula knew Renfield by name, but there could be the possibility. Having another role than one of those two, there's no way of knowing that he was the Madman.
  
• Why would you draw as much attention to you as I did when I pointed to Corsato if you're Dracula? That would be very bad playing. I'm not saying I'm the greatest player ever, but I'm not that bad. When you accuse someone, you just know for sure that everybody wants to know your role. And if there's one thing you don't want to tell if you're Dracula, it's your role. So you have to make one up. Now, tell me, why would you take that risk?
  
• I claimed a named role from the book. Why would I do that if it wasn't true? Wouldn't that be stupid? I mean, if I'm not Quincey Morris, someone else definitely is. Well, did you hear someone else claim this role? I know I didn't.
  
• Like I said before, so far every role taken from Bram Stoker's Dracula is exactly synchronised with the book. Now, in the book Dracula had control over Renfield. Believe me, when Mole made up these roles, he could never have neglected this part. So it looks to me that if you're Dracula, you would have control over Renfield. Then why get rid of your slave. It's hard for me to believe that Dracula didn't loose any abilities when we lynched Renfield.

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[Porro]

jadesmar said

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How did Puzzle Prodigy get himself protected by 2 patrolmen and attacked by 2 killers in the same night That's a trick I might like to master.
Cadmium: What were you doing out at night if you had already found the madman?

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The first point isn't just down to luck. As far as I was concerned PP and SK were confirmed innocents that were useful to the town, so I chose to patrol one of them. Allied with your pact, he not only attracted two killers, but had two officers on hand to nab them

Your second point/ question is wholeheartedly seconded by me. That's the sort of Patrolman interrogation we like to see...and Cadmium still hasn't answered (obviously needs a bit of time on that one )

[Mark J Tilford]

Votes:
Tyenar/IS: 2 (Ferris, quercitron)
silent: crazycellist, Neo, Popaboolie

For pardoning Cadmium: none
For pardoning Mike_Amok: none

Those who are silent, please post.

Tilforder.

[Quailman]

I see no reason not to join the majority. I also see no reason to pardon either of the condemned. If either of them turn out to be innocent, then we know who nailed them. If we pardon one or the other (and they're most certainly guilty anyway), we learn nothing, or very little. I don't see anyone trying to drum up support for a pardon.

vote: Tyenar/IS

[Internet Stranger]

So you refuse to join the majority, yet you vote for me?

OMGUS!

Vote: Quailman

[Cadmium]

As Porro mentioned, I didn't answer the question Jadesmar asked me. I have no problem at all answering it. Here's my answer. I didn't go out that night. From the moment I got Corsato, I lost my investigative abilities. So please don't ask me for an explanation why I was cought last night. I know as much as the rest of you do (except for the one(s) that framed me).

I just realized that I didn't give you the rest of the information I gathered. Like L'layne, I got info on other persons I investigated too. Here it is:

• Night 1: Antrax is some sort of investigator.
  
• Night 2: Groza carries far too many weapons on him to be a normal townsfolk.
  
• Night 3: Quailman appears to be innocent. You don't find anything remarkable about him.
  
• Night 4: Ralphmerridew is a very dead Egyptologist.
  
• Night 5: You've managed to find the madman. Corsato is the madman Renfield. As of this moment you lose your abilities.

Please notice that I tried to convince you that Groza was lying about his role when he claimed one. Also, when Quailman said that he was a townie, I told you that he is probably telling the truth (and now he won't release me ). I don't know where you can find it back, but it's in the old thread somewhere. I don't have much time right now, so if someone else can look it up, thnx in advance.

One final thing. Porro, it's really weird that from the post I made yesterday, you picked the one thing I mentioned in only one sentence first. I mean, somewhere at the end of the post I mention Frankenstein's monster once and that's the very first thing you are rejecting. Looks like that's the most important thing going on in your head. And we all know what that means, right?

Well, that wraps it about up for me. I can't defend and share more than this. Unless I start making things up from now on. But that won't do anybody any good. So if there are questions, please ask them. I probably won't have an answer to it, but you can always try .

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[Werebear]

IS/Tyenar could be a townie. There are townfolk out there. That doesn't mean I believe him, but I think he should be one of the first checked if we run out of people. Question - has DPW made any sort of claim at all? I couldn't find any, please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I believe Cadmium... he would never have come out and caught the madman if he had something to hide. It's not good playing, unless he gets a bonus power or something for getting him lynched. I don't know what to say to Cadmium saying "I wasn't out" after someone said he was. Can the investigator clarify? I'll probably be alone, but..

Vote: Release Cadmium and Vote: DPW

Werebear