Newbie Mafia 7 - The game - TOWN wins

[Beartalon]

Now I'm confused. Sooth, unless someone else votes for you, and xer0x might, you would not have been lynched. Duphrates reached the 3 vote limit first and those votes haven't changed since the last marker.

If you are the cop, may the doctor protect you if he chooses. Unfortunately, this foreknowledge almost guarantees one of the other townies will be killed when the Mafia decide to target someone else, thinking you're protected. That said, if you're telling the truth, is Duphrates as Mafia a lucky guess? What about xer0x? Why change from one suspicion to the other?

But then, if Garm believes you, he will change his vote, won't he? Then you won't be eligible for lynching anymore...

This game makes my brain hurt.

[MadMax]

Is it not true that 6 votes is instant death? ) even if before the deadline.) I suggest we do not
lynch Soothsayer. And while I am at it FoS Duphrates for confirming on someone who claims to be the cop.

confirm Xerox

edited to fix UBB tag

[This message has been edited by MadMax (edited 11-14-2002 12:48 PM).]

[Dragon Phoenix]

Indeed, six votes is instant death.

[Duphrates]

Madmax, I confirmed on someone who claimed to be the cop,simply because his last post put serious doubt on whether he is. My reasoning is that there was no need for him to do so, it could be just a simple bluff to weed out the real cop. Though I seriously hope no-one would fall for that.

Bear, I agree, I need a lie down in a dark room

[TANSTAAFL]

well, whether Sooth is the real cop or not, I don't think we should lynch him until we know for sure. So FOS- anyone who continues to vote for Sooth and unvote: xer0x and vote: Duphrates for confirming his vote on a person who has claimed to be a cop.

[ML]

OK, here's what I'm thinking.

If Dark/Sooth came out as the cop. The only reasons I can think of that he would do that is if: (1) he really was the cop, didn't want to get lynched, or (2) he's Mafia and trying to control the direction of the game. In case (1) he doesn't really have any information yet (which is unfortunate).

(1) If he is the cop, we can't afford to lynch him. And we know GARM is innocent.
(2) If he is not the cop, then he is mafia, and (most likely) so is GARM.
(3) Most likely, Duprates is the opposite of Sooth (and therefore GARM), in terms of Town/Mafia affiliation.

(Unless they are setting me up to think this way. *takes 3 aspirin, 2 Advil, and a shot of Whiskey to sooth the brain pain*)

I feel like the way to get the information we need, without risking a possible cop lynch, is to lynch GARM (plus I still feel reply 131 is suspicious). So I'm going to stick with my vote (Confirm: GARM). Lynching Duphrates may imply the same information, but it is not as sure. And if Duphrates is Townie, then his analytical skills could still be useful.

I also am still suspicious of the quiet ones. (Mostly because I don't know anything about them either way.) The quiet ones are: Peekay, FaerieFire, MadMax, (and to a lesser extent) GARM and Tanstaafl.

[ML]

Update: I hadn't updates my count for a while. Really the only quiet ones right now are Peekay and FearieFire (not MadMax, GARM, and Tanstaafl). Sorry about that.

*curses the rule against editing*

BT your posts have looked pretty good, even without editing. I'm impressed.

[Peekay]

Wow, I hadn't realized it had been page three since I had said anything. I am still kepping up, but don't have anything to really add. I agree we shouldn't lynch Sooth just yet, being the first to claim the cop role. Though at the moment my suspicions lie with Sooth and Duphrates . As I mentioned before, I rather stick with my initial vote rather than waffle, so I'll Confirm: Duphrates. Hopefully after one more day and night things will become clearer as to who we can trust. (Mini-FoS: Sooth until I get further proof.)

[Faeriefire]

Unvote:Sooth I have the same general feeling of suspicion towards Sooth, but my gut says he's speaking the truth.
And I think ML's plan is along the lines of what I was thinking (were you reading my mind?).
Vote:GARM

[Dragon Phoenix]

vote update (6 to lynch, 3 to lynch at deadline Friday 2 PM)

Duphrates 4 (Peekay, Beartalon, Soothsayer, Tanstaafl)
Soothsayer 2 (Garm, Duphrates)
Garm 2 (ML, Faeriefire)
Xer0x 1 (Madmax)

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[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 11-15-2002 07:01 AM).]

[TANSTAAFL]

I don't understand how lynching Garm would tell us if Sooth is telling the truth or not. Even if he was mafia then he would know that Garm is innocent. And how does lynching an innocent help us??

[TANSTAAFL]

Sorry for the double post, but that should read "IF garm is innocent"

[Beartalon]

ML - my posts look good only because I have to think about every word I use to be sure I'm conveying what I mean.

I'm not sure how GARM fits into it either, but ML's logic is similar to my own thinking (better written that my attempt which was never posted). Sooth and GARM seem cut from the same cloth, but that makes GARM's vote for Sooth an anomaly. I wish he and xer0x would reappear and give us their thoughts.

[Faeriefire]

If Sooth is Mafia then he would try to get us to believe he is the real cop. If he tells us GARM is innocent and we believe him, then we wouldn't lynch GARM which would not aid him. But if in actuality GARM is Mafia also, then by lynching him we know that Sooth is also Mafia.
If Sooth is the real cop then GARM would be a townie. By lynching GARM, we prove the credibility of Sooth. Whether the trade is worth it is up to you.
Does that help?
talk about complex, it took me ten minutes to write this

[TANSTAAFL]

But if he was Mafia, then I don't think he would align himself with another mafia member, I would think he would avoid that. He can say that Garm is innocent, then kill Garm tonight and tomorrow say "I told you so" he doesn't need us to lynch him to prove it. I don't think lynching Garm proves anything, unless you have other reason to suspect him. Then I am all ears.

[MadMax]

The non Quiet one returns............I am aware it could be a double bluff, (this early cop exposure.) Yet we would regret it deeply if Sooth was the cop and we lynched him.

I thought this game would be boring, but it is now intriging.
I am leaning towards the thought that my first vote was for an inocent townee.

[Faeriefire]

TANSTAAFL, I see what you're saying, but there's something about that logic that's nagging at me. It would very well seem suspicious of Sooth to claim GARM an innocent and then kill him the next night. Wouldn't the Mafia rather go for the cop? And if GARM does die if we don't lynch him . . . . .
It's getting too confusing. I think I'll stop there.

[GARM]

Well, well, well this is getting very interesting.

The only reason I have my vote on the Sooth man is because I random voted him the first day. And thought I might as well continue. Now he has come out and claimed to be a cop and I believe him because he is telling the truth about me so I will Unvote: Sooth

So this leads to who to vote for and the only person that can be is Durphrates because
I have a FOS on him and now also because he is voting for a cop
Vote: Durphrates

[Soothsayer]

Quick post before i'm off

To explain why I made my cop statement. I will be away for the from now until Monday as I have my stag/bachelor party weekend. I didnt want to be lynched without the chance to defend myself and with it being so close i thought it was worth it.

[Duphrates]

This is where I'm at a slight disadvantage (being on this side of the pond). By the time you all read this I will have been lynched. I understand and agree with you all about not wanting to vote for SOOTH because he may/may not be the cop, either way it's not worth the risk yet. I know it's a bit late, bad timing on my part, but to tell you the truth I've messed up. I became suspicious and voted for someone, trouble was I kind of got it right, he was (maybe) a role player, just the wrong sort. Obviously confirming him though was the final nail in the coffin and now I must be lynched. Someone had to go and it's better me than Sooth.For the record, and I know it's easy to say but I am just a mere townie with a big mouth. It seems I got carried away getting the ball rolling (things were slow) and at least one good things come out of this - you are all talking( the more you talk the more evidence, collectively, you will get). I don't think being quiet is good for anyone, it helps no-one and you become suspicious (although I am testiment to the contrary).
I've really enjoyed this first game, even though it's caused me sleepless nights, cost me my family, friends and job and I am undergoing treatment for alcoholism.
Good luck townies, I think your going to need it.
I shall be watching you all from the other side..MUAHAHAHAHA

[Dragon Phoenix]

vote update (6 to lynch, 3 to lynch at deadline Friday 2 PM)

Duphrates 5 (Peekay, Beartalon, Soothsayer, Tanstaafl, Garm)
Garm 2 (ML, Faeriefire)
Xer0x 1 (Madmax)
Soothsayer 1 (Duphrates)

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[Beartalon]

What time zone is GL Time?

*Looks at Duphrates and Sooth, then sits back thinking*

[Dragon Phoenix]

I don't know - I just look at the little clock on the forum overview pages...

[Soothsayer]

Jumping back in quickly - before the final vote for Duphrates is given is anyone else suspicious of ML and Faeriefire who are still voting for Garm

Just wondered

[Father Time]

GLTime is in Eastern as depicted on the screen's lower left.

[Beartalon]

I was hoping xer0x would reappear and give his views. It's probably too late now. I'm currently suspicious of a lot of things, all hinging on information I can't ferret out of what has gone on so far. However, Soothsayer, if ML and FaerieFire are suspicious for voting for GARM, what does that make them?

[Dragon Phoenix]

And as the clock strikes two, Duphrates is the second in this game to be hung 'til death us do part.

So what did you catch this time? You know the tradition about twons quickly lynching their cop? Well...

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You did much better than that. Congratulations gang, you have found yourself a mafia scum. Too bad there are two more where he came from.

Night falls - choices please from mafia, cop and doc. Deadline Monday 2PM, but earlier would be nice...

And I will lock the thread again.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Day breaks once more. Unfortunately, DEATH has also paid the town a visit once more. ML has been shot by the mafia.

In miscellaneous news, the townie you knew first as Dark and then as Soothsayer has been replaced by Vegtable2001. Thanks for filling in Sooth, and sorry for not asking you but I think you would agree that a real newbie would be better in your place.

Eight players left - five votes to lynch one of you.....

[Peekay]

Go town for the Mafia lynch. w00t! *Does the white man's dance...confirms he has no rhythm.*
First off, welcome Vegtable2001
I'm fairly certain now that Sooth was telling the truth about his role, though it could still be a trick.
Veg, give us the name of a second mafia if you can, and I'll be completely convinced. (Instead of just the 99% convinced I am now.)
For now, I'll dole out Fos's: ML, Faeriefire, for voting for GARM yesterday. I'm holding off on my vote until I hear the result of Vegtable2001's investigation overnight.

[GARM]

Well I was going to put my vote on ML but then he wound up dead....very strange.

That leaves Faeriefire so Vote: Faeriefire

Welcome Vegtable2001 if you can shed some light that would be great.

[Beartalon]

Perhaps xer0x didn't vote because he knew his vote would not stop a Mafia lynch, so I'll start there.

Vote: xer0x

[Beartalon]

*gives eulogy at ML's graveside, dances on Duphrates'*

[Vegtable2001]

I investigated ML and got him as innocent :-/ I'll be a bit passive untill i get a chance to read everything.

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[xer0x]

I am sorry to disappoint, but no conspiracy theories need to be made for my absence for the last two IRL days of Day 2. I was simply unable to access the computer for those two days (bans by parents, etc -- hey I'm young enough to be banned). That is all.

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[xer0x]

I don't think we should suspect the people who voted GARM yesterday too much. If anything, a dead GARM would determine if our cop is real or not. Cop's investigations -- Termital, then GARM, then ML. Two of them died either that same night, or the night immediately after. Is that just bad luck? I hope so...

But lynching GARM, as it were, would be plain silly -- especially right now.

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[Beartalon]

Welcome back , xer0x

[Faeriefire]

GARM, as evidence that you were going to vote for ML before you decided on me, I can only come to the conclusion that your votes were pointed at us simply because we voted for you the previous day. Come on, we should be more intent on lynching the mafia than getting back at those who were only trying to do the same. ML and I had the same thoughts but so did Beartalon who opted not to go through with the idea.
At this time I would like to go on a limb, skip formalities, and Vote: Peekay. Why? I am just suspicious.

And I welcome Vegtable2001.~waves~

[Peekay]

First off, let me remove my FoS from ML. Sorry, the white man's dance always leaves me a bit disoriented.
*Brings flowers to ML's gravesite*
Faeriefire, can you explain anything in particular you are suspicious about me? Perhaps the fact that I voted to lynch a mafia member before a bandwagon had started to form? Perhaps you're afraid I'll do it again.
Vote: Faeriefire (Yes, there is a bit of an OMGUS to my vote.) Convince me your inncoent and I'll change it. Or if someone else convinces me another player looks guiltier, I'll change it.

[xer0x]

Beartalon -- wasn't my explanation sufficient for you not to vote me? I believe I removed the basis for your vote, no?

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[Beartalon]

Unvote: xer0x - I'm not feeling particularly well today, so I'm just going to leave myself unvoted for a bit until I am well and coherent again.