Newbie Mafia 7 - The game - TOWN wins

[Beartalon]

Am I Ursus III now, or is that one of the dogs?

If I change my vote, A Fire Inside would still be lynched as the most popular selection, whether or not I choose to make my vote #6 for the flaming interior, so why change? I'm not much for bandwagons.

Why are Dark/Sooth and MadMax waiting?

[Duphrates]

*After a drunken brainwave at the bar and never one to miss an opportunity, Duphrates set's up a rival hot dog stand selling hot dogs for €1 a piece, so people don't have to exchange their money*

Im sorry but Tinteretto ain't big enough for the both of us.

unvote termital VOTE SOOTHSAYER

[Dragon Phoenix]

I'm off on a business trip until Friday afternoon GL time. It woudl be nice to have some kind of consensus on a lynch victim by then.

[GARM]

Not sure who is who yet.

However:
Unvote: Dark
Vote: A Fire inside

[Beartalon]

*hemming and hawing.*

Ok fine. This will come back and bite me later, I bet. In the interest of not being able to change the result and knowing he would be lynched by majority on a timed deadline:

UNVOTE: Peekay, VOTE: A Fire Inside

That's 7, unless someone else changes.

[Beartalon]

Duphrates, assuming Soothsayer is American, and I'm Canadian, I have to exchange my money into either American or Euros. So exactly where is the selling point of your "bargain"?

*starts up a pizza joint next to ChienFou's bar, featuring "The Canadian": pepperoni, mushrooms and bacon, with double cheese - one slice = CDN$2*

[Dragon Phoenix]

Some mods give the town the chance to reconsider once the required number of votes for a lynch has been cast. I don't. The town has spoken and A Fire Inside must hang. In spite of his protests, just moments later he swings in the November wind. So.... did you catch your first mafia? Or have you just robbed the town of a cop or a doctor? In-between. A Fire Inside was an innocent townie, nothing more, nothing less. Night falls - mafia, cop and doctor, please send me your choices. I need to receive all chocies by Sunday 2PM GL time.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Posting during the night is frowned upon - to prevent it happening at all, I will lock the thread. Any questions, email me.

[Dragon Phoenix]

It is day

Once more you count... 11! Someone demands a recount.... 10! Bah, you had it wrong first time. Termital is dead with a bullet in the forehead. Another townie bites the dust.

Ten players left. Six to lynch today.

THE PLAYERS

Garm
Xer0x
Tanstaafl
Madmax
Dark
Peekay
Faerie Fire
Beartalon
Duphrates
ML

DEAD:
A Fire Inside (townie, lynched)
Termital (townie, shot)

[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 11-09-2002 05:36 AM).]

[Beartalon]

Two townies dead. Oh great, that increases the ratio of Mafia to Town. On the other hand, it makes any townie's chance of getting protected by the doctor that much higher.

Did Termital die because of his strange first voting rule (overlong names? Did he die because he already had at least one Mafia experience and maybe had a better sense of what would eventually happen?

I changed my vote, and an innocent townie got lynched. The person I voted for originally I accused of sneaking around, survived by convincing me to think about changing my vote. Was there a reason behind that? Let's find out.

Vote: Peekay

[Peekay]

Well, the only defense I can offer for myself is that I only made the sneaking comment because I didn't think the game had started yet. If you had a different opinion, Beartalon, I can't fault your logic or give you anything other than my word that I'm not mafia.
As for my vote...Termital only voted once on day 1 (didn't vote then change), and ended having voted for the one who was lynched. So he wouldn't have been killed over a voting grudge. Either it was random, or someone had a grudge for another reason. Two people voted for him on day one: Xer0x, who claimed it was somewhat random, and Duphrates, who gave a reason other than randomness. I can't say I much agree with his reasoning, and without anything else to go on right now, I Vote: Duphrates, and hope someone can provide a better argument for lynching someone.

[GARM]

We can't risk lynching another townie so I am going to hold off voting until someone convinces me otherwise.

Hopefully whoever the cop is has investigated someone useful over the last 2 nights.

[Beartalon]

Peekay, I know that the game hadn't really started by then. We still have a decided lack of information to use and analyze to determine anything. xer0x voted for Termital, and then he winds up shot. Duphrates originally voted for me first, and then changed his vote twice. Is that duplicity?

I'll think about it.

[Duphrates]

*ashen faced after seeing his name in bold*
There's not a lot I can say to defend myself Peekay. I voted Beartalon because he woke me up, then, by trying to get into the feel of the game and because of a slight suspicion, I went with Termital, changing it to Soothsayer because he had a rival hotdog stand!!!I am still non the wiser ( apart from knowing the identity of Termital ) and I am now going to wait to see if the cop says anything.

[Beartalon]

Wait, wait wait... Do you think anyone is going to deliberately say anything incriminating

[Termital]

[breaking rule #8]
A great learning experience this was.. *complains indignantly*
Sooth, how'bout a hotdog for Sparticus and me, ha? Here's your $2. (I'll just take it out of the GL$2M game purse. They'll never notice )
[/breaking rule #8]

[This message has been edited by Termital (edited 11-09-2002 07:41 PM).]

[xer0x]

Well, are we going to risk another shot in the dark, given that not much useful information has been shown?

That is unless the cop helps.

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[Werebear]

[interrupt] In a game like this, the cop coming out voluntarily depends on two things. First, a doc needs to be alive. Second, they have to either have found a mafia, or have enough investigations that they can vote in a group with the people who have been found town. For an example, read The Minvitational on Mafiascum.net The cop came out after finding one mafia, and from then on proceeded to pick them... er.... us *cough* off one by one. The longer the cop waits, the more information he has. However, there's more a chance he will be killed at night too, as the doc doesn't know who to protect.

Have fun![/interrupt]

[MadMax]

I agrree that it makes sense to wait for the cop's info.
Though if a vote starts I have an idea for whom to vote.

Apologies for misspelt names.

[Beartalon]

And how does the cop present himself?
Also, MadMax, two votes have already been placed, mostly as discussion starters, I think.

[Soothsayer]

I agree it is far too early for the cop to come out and say what (s)he has found. You may as well just stick a target above their head and say "shoot me here". I think it would be best to wait for at least a couple of more.

DP - does the Godfather have immunity from cop investigation like in other games?

As far as I can tell only one player is standing out more than the others. This could simply be enthusiasm but it could also be a plot from a mafia scumbag trying to throw suspicions at others.

evidence:
1) Beartalon has posted too many times to count
2)

Originally posted by Beartalon in post 55:

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Ok, am I going to go with the majority just to conform or am I going to be suspicious and wonder

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- i think you are just suspicious
3) and finally Beartalon after arguing that he wouldn't be a bandawagoner ends up being the final nail in the coffin for poor fire.

vote: Beartalon

[Dragon Phoenix]

There is no Godfather in this game. For the newbies: the Godfatheris a frequently used role. The GF is the leader of the mafia, but when a cop investigates him, the answer will be 'innocent'.

[MadMax]

Vote in bold ( Xerox ).

I am hopelss I can not even bold.

DP: just use {b}vote: Xer0x{b}, but then with [] instead of {}.

Like this: vote Xer0x.

[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 11-10-2002 07:39 AM).]

[Beartalon]

*buys a hotdog from Soothsayer's cart, slathers it in mustard*

Soothsayer, my verbosity is natural and I am enthusiastic about being in a Mafia for the first time. That and I'm jobless in real life gives me way too much time to dwell on things and post here.

I can see now that saying too much maybe detrimental, just as silence was assumed to be detrimental on day one, but my vote change didn't change anything. According to the rules, A Fire Inside would have been lynched with or without my vote anyway at some point, and there was no true logic behind anyone's first vote. It was an expedience to speed up the day. Call that callous if you wish, but I'm as naive about everyone's identity here as I am sorry that two townspeople have been killed.

In the meantime, if the cop wants to allay your suspicions, he can investigate me tonight and I'm sure he'll find the opposite to what you think. For now though, I'm hungry, so I'll shut-up and buy another hotdog from you.

*forks over $2*

[MadMax]

I voted for Xerox because he/she changed his/her vote to join the bandwagon (4th vote) to lynch. I suppose either Garm or Bertalon could be Mafia for the same reason. I will stick with my vote though.

[GARM]

I agree with Sooths logic

Vote: Beartalon for now

[Beartalon]

Unvote: Peekay

Vote: Beartalon

[xer0x]

I never understood suicide votes. Are they a form of sarcasm, or to vindicate oneself, or what?

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[xer0x]

I'm going to FOS: Dark, ML & Faeriefire until they show up. Not talking IS a mafia tactic. So there.

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[xer0x]

Sorry -- [b]un-FOS s00thsayer[b/] -- didn't realise s/he was a replacement -- sorry

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[Werebear]

*ahem* Suicide votes are considered very bad form. If you're going to play, then play. If you're a townie who's given up hope, you're hurting your own team, by cheating them out of a chance to lynch a mafia. Pull yourself together, Beartalon!!! Tell them your role. Explain why they shouldn't lynch you.

Werebear

[ML]

XerOx: Sorry, I didn't log on all weekend. (It was kind of nice actually).

Unfortunately I have no useful information to add here. So I'm going to withhold my vote for now.

[thinking out loud]
Hmmm, 2 townies down, that leaves 3 Mafia, 1 doc, 1 police, and 5 townies right? A random chance lynching is still likely to hurt us. But it is less likely to hurt us than a mafia attack, so we have to do something. What an interesting game.
[/thinking out loud]

[Beartalon]

It's not a matter of giving up hope. I don't die that easily.

Unvote: Beartalon

I'm feeling my way like everyone else, so if that was bad form, I'll learn from it.

As a group we've said that silence is suspicious, and verbosity is also suspicious. Some are withholding their votes until they have more information. At least one of these people has to be the cop or doctor who already have information. Eveything we have, unless I read it wrong, is speculation (and speculating is fun )

Whether or not you believe me, I'm on the town's side. I was accused of reversing my opinion of bandwagons, and then joined one that lynched a townie, probably for the wrong reasons, but no less wrong than a bandwagon. Once that was pointed out, two people agreed that my verbosity was suspicious as well then nominated me for lynching, so I added my vote to see if my own bandwagon would start. But there's no more incriminating evidence for me than anyone else.

If you think I'm still lying, then if the town lynches me and I'm telling the truth, the only real gain is that the votes for me might help narrow down who the Mafia is. If the Mafia kills me, all you will know is that I was truthful.

You need 6 votes. I will not vote for myself and I curently have two votes against me. To ensure the rest of you kill a Mafia, you need all but one of the townies, the doc and the police unless at least one Mafia provides a vote that kills a member of his own family. How likely is that?

[ML]

Hmmm, a bit of Excel analysis. Not many posts, only one vote....
Vote: TANSTAAFL

Barkeep, I'll have a Jack and Coke, easy on the Coke please. (Maybe that'll make this make more sense.)

[ML]

(Booze must be kicking in)

FOS: GARM, BearTalon
They both changed their votes within seven minutes to push us into lynching an innocent Townie.

(This is my first use of FOS. Can I FOS somebody while voting for someone else?)

[Faeriefire]

It appears to me that Soothsayer put a bit of work into making Beartalon look suspicious. That makes me question his motives. Vote: Soothsayer

[GARM]

Fair enough to be suspicious about me ML. If you had done what I did I would have been suspicious of you too. However I was pretty gutted when we ended up lynching an Innocent.

That is good enough for me Beartalon Unvote: Beartalon
Vote: Sooth

[xer0x]

Seems good enough for me too. Vote: Sooth

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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell.

[Peekay]

Just a post to show I'm still here and paying attention. I think most of the arguments made so far have been good, but nothing to convince me to change my vote yet. That's not to say my argument is any better than those presented here, but with out a strong feeling either way I'd rather stick to my initial vote than waffle around. (Though if things continue the way they've been going, I'm going to look really guilty if Sooth ends up being mafia and Duphrates is a townie (or worse, the cop or doctor.))
On the cop situation, I agree s/he should stay silent until they have at least one, preferably two mafia identified. Knowing two for sure should give us a fighting chance to find the third. I suppose the other reason for the cop to reveal themself would be to save from lynching a known townie.
Just my 2 cents. And along with it, a dollar for a hot dog, as long as it doesn't go to fund any mafia activities.
*Takes hot dog. Goes off to consider how cop could get him to believe their role claim.*

[Soothsayer]

unvote: Beartalon - your explanatio does seem plausable enough so I will withdraw my vote.

Now my attention focuses purely on Faeriefire. You have voted for me because I "put a bit of work" into making Beartalon look suspicious. Of course I did - that's how you play this game. You look for evidence that someone could be mafia by the way the post of what they say and then you use it against them. But does that make me mafia - absolutely not! All this means is that I am searching hard to rid this town of mafia by revealing all the evidence I can find.

FOS[b] (Finger of Suspicion) now aimed at Faeriefire for voting for me for trying to find mafia. FOS also to xer0x for just going along with it.

Flips coin.

[b]vote: xer0x