Mafia 50: The Salem Witch Trials [Cult Wins!]

[John English]

~* Checks excelsheet *~

There are still 8 people alive.

~* Goes looking for them *~

[Abigail English]

Abigail English here.

Anyone have any ideas as to why there were no kills last night? Doctor is the obvious choice, not that anyone is claiming Doctor...hmm. Didn't the witches have close to an alternating pattern of 1 kill 2 kills? Maybe when they get down to a certain number or 1 it switches to 0 kill 1 kill.

I didn't receive any results, I'm emailing the mod.

So, any ideas anyone? And why did Peter Jacobs say his role didn't matter? He must've been paranoid or something, but still...wondering if there's more there than meets the eye.

Abby

[Mary Black]

Well somebody's got to start off the voting.

Vote : John English

I believe that John English is a judge since there's likely 3 left, but that doesn't mean he's not a witch also. Of the three "unknowns" I believe Robert Osborne to be innocent, and Ezra Johnson to be the doctor because no one else claimed it (but a confirmation couldn't hurt. The witches probably know the identity of the doctor anyway). I hope the cult is gone already, but I don't know how effective I've been at blocking the conversions.

[John English]

Peter Jacobs was probably JDTay .

The doc thing would be nice, except the fact that we don't have enought players alive to actually have a doc. Only Ms. Ezra Johnson could be a doc. (Or maybe one of that weird Bishop family )

Anyway, I'm REALLY curious about Ms. Johnso'n's role.

And I'm probably not online until monday. So don't lynch me .

[Ezra Johnson]

Hmm... I believe that Ezra is a masculine name.

Well, I do have a doctor-type role. Last night I protected Abigail English. I do not have a full history of who I protected because I am a replacement, but last night was the first night that I sent in the choice and there was no kill at night.

Mary Black, Will you point me to where you claimed your role as preacher? I think it was something to do with you being able to prevent possesion or cult recruitment, right? So if the two are prevented by the preacher, then maybe the cult is indeed evil. I wish I understood the role of the Cult. If the Bishops are just a Mason group, then the role of the cult is probably evil, right?

[John English]

Mmm, wouldn't it be really cool for a witch to become a judge. A judging witch (or a witching judge) would be very powerful.

Anyway, I noticed the following post:

Originally posted by Mith in post nr 11:

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Note on Aliases: The names were rather random (I thought up 20 or so first and last names, copied the list 3 or 4 times, randomized each column, and took the first 30). They have little to do with the roles; after I came up with the Aliases, they were randomly assigned roles and players.

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Doesn't this mean that the Bishop's aren't confirmed innocent, because one of them could be a witch AND a mason (because the mason-thing was decided by Last Name, and the role was given random)

Recent reading in this thread by me has answered a question I had about judges (which Ms. Black raised again). Anyone (including witches, cult scum and serial killers) can be selected to become a judge (postnr 115 on page 3)

Anyway, I'd like to yell in some very bad language to Ms Black for voting already. Though I do agree with the fact that see wants this day to start, a vote is very dangerous, because a lynch could happen sooner then you think.

Because she votes for me in this situation, but fails to give ANY reasoning, I'll point my FOS: at Mary Black.

I'm really tempted to see if I'm the last judge if you know what I mean .

[Robert Osborne]

Hmm.

Originally posted by Mary Black:

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I believe that John English is a judge since there's likely 3 left, but that doesn't mean he's not a witch also.

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Originally posted by mith:

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Judges will be replaced by a random member of Town when they die (anyone at all)

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I read this as meaning that Witches couldn't be Judges, because they're not on the Town's side. Can we get a clarification, mith?

[John English]

Read my previous post. (or post nr 115 on page 3).

[Robert Osborne]

Nevermind. I forgot mith had already answered that. And of course I was mistaken.

[Mary Black]

Ezra - Page 6 Post #240. Please specify what you mean by "doctor-type role". It seems very suspicious to describe your role that way if you are declaring that you can protect people anyway... as if you're thinking about a plausible role to make up. I really didn't believe that there's another doctor (doesn't seem balanced) - I just said it to try and trap you.

FOS : Ezra Johnson

[Mark J Tilford]

ISE Mary Black.

[mith]

*~bump~*

[John English]

Yeah Ezra, how convenient of you to claim a doc-like role when we say there has to be a doc left. Another suspicious thing is the fact that you let us (Mr Osborne and I) go first, as if you were scared that someone else would claim a doc-like role as well.

It's not enough for a vote though.

Well, I'm clueless. So where do we go from this day on??
I like Mary Black to give us a list of the people she's protected. The Bishop's should start posting again, and participate instead of hiding behind this 'wall of family love'.
I'm convinced that one of those Bishop's is scum. I'm most suspicious about Hiram Bishop. Why exactly I don't know, but I'll try to find out today.

[Soothsayer]

I'm not saying it's impossible to have a mafia scumbag who is also a mason (it's been done before) but I am hoping this is not the case.
Perhaps at this late stage of the game the players who so far have remained quiet as to what their roles are should come forward. Perhaps then we can clearly work out who is lying.

[Ezra Johnson]

Honestly, the combination of the aliases, lack of any story behind the death scenes, and the pace of the game has made me lose all interest so I'm probably as good a person to lynch as any (I just don't check it often.) I guess I wasn't a good person to bring in as a replacement.

I didn't "let" you go first, I just didn't check this thread. I know I'm innocent, I would rather catch one of you lying.

I don't think it's unbalanced to have my role (and I assume one or both of the other doctors had a complementing role). By telling everyone, I think I make my role useless, but I will anyway. I can stop someone from walking off a cliff. My role is "doctor" but I'm not a doctor in the way I usually think of a doctor since I can't protect against the SK kills, nor the other killing spell(s) the witches have. As to "thinking up a role," as mafia, I ALWAYS have a role ready to declare instantly.

I'm also one of the judges.

[edit: remove sig]

[This message has been edited by Ezra Johnson (edited 10-21-2002 04:45 AM).]

[John English]

~* Agrees with Ezra Johnson *~

This game is not really fun anymore, because off the lack of participants. I might not have been the most useful player so far, but at least I check the thread on a regular basis.

This day, only George Bishop made one post. The other members of his family remain silent, though questions have been asked to them.

The deadline for this day is wednesday. Since I'm the only one with a vote, I might get lynched. If the situation with the non-posters doesn't improve, I'll probably vote for myself, just to be out of this game. This game will probably die without me, because I'm one of the few players that's actually posting, but so be it.

Suggestions:
1) We vote for the silent players. We can lynch two of them today if we want. This would suck.
2) We could drop the whole alias-thing. Posting under your real (GL) name might make people post more. This would also suck, as it would not be in the spirit of the game.

Is it just me, or is it happening more and more that people sign up for a game, but do not participate and have to be replaced after a while. It's simple. If you sign up for a game you play. If you do not like the game you signed up for (maybe because of the aliases) you ask to be replaced. (and you never sign up again).

~* is all sad *~

[Faith Bishop]

i agree - this is a very slow game. Without strict deadlines and the booting/replacement of non-participating players the game becomes useless. If you think it would speed things up by playing under our real names I am happy to do so - so far I have posted twice by mistake as my gl identity.

Is this the time to end "alias" games?

Oh and just to cause a bit of fun

vote: John English for FOS'ing a known mason

[Ezra Johnson]

I've been participating, it's just that the pace is SO slow, that I don't think it's worthwhile to check every day.

I certainly will not be signing up for any more games with aliases. I really like the concept, it's just too annoying.

John English, we could probably lynch 3 today if you and I vote for the same person and the rest of the town splits on two others... I don't recommend that though.

[Faith Bishop]

Is it just a coincidence that two of players who haven;t revealed their role suddenly decide to post saying that they should work together. FOS aimed at Erza Williams and John English

Tell us your roles

[Ezra Johnson]

Uh, Ezra Williams is dead. I've revealed my role on this page even... I'm a doctor. John English ALSO revealed his role as townie.

We are both also claiming that we are judges. I think if you re-read my post you'll see that I said that I WOULDN'T recommend that we use our judge powers and get an additional person lynched.

[Faith Bishop]

Oops - guess I should have read it a bit better.

As a judge can you verify that the other person is a judge?

[John English]

Ezra Johnson:
You are right. I forgot the possibilitie of a 3-3 tie. (I thought of the judges lynch). We could lynch three. But only if everyone votes. Somehow I don't think that would ever happen.
(and I've said before that it would suck.)

Faith Bishop:
I'm glad that you're keeping up with the game, though you should read more carefully before voting for such a stupid reason. This is not day 1 you know. We actually have to think before we lynch right now. If you've read the posts I've made (and the thoughts I had) you might see the reason why I am suspicious about the Bishop family. Just to make it easy on you, I'll give you the essence of my posts:

Role were giving randomly to the aliases. This means that the role of "witch" could be assigned to the alias "Faith Bishop". That was just a thought I had of course. But I know you have roles beside the whole mason-family-thingy. Sarah Bishop was a farmer for instance.

If you look at the role claims:
Hiram Bishop - mason
Faith Bishop - mason
George Bishop - mason
Mary Black - Preacher
Abigail English - Shopkeeper (something with animals)
John English - Farmer/Judge
Ezra Johnson - Doc/Judge
Robert Osborne - Farmer

We know there must be a Doc left (because of the no kill), and at least one witch (because no witch died after the last witch kill). We do not have any information about the status of the cult, because we don't know how much they've recruited. I believe the role claims of Abigail English and Mary Black. I also believe that the Bishop's are mason's, but that the fact that they are masons doesn't necessarely mean they are confirmed innocent.

You've voted for me, and gave me a FOS. Why are you picking at me?? I haven't given a FOS to any of you, I've only said I was suspicious at non-poster Hiram Bishop.
You seem really eager to lynch someone. You tried it yesterday with Peter Jacobs, and now you try it with me.

Oh, and I don't know the other judges. The only way for us to prove we are judges is to vote for the same person. I think that would be bad, unless we have a confirmed bad guy.

[Faith Bishop]

The only other thing i would mention is that there may not have been a death last night not because a doc saved someones life but because the mafia didnt send a target. It would be easy then for one of the mafia members to claim to be a doc. just my rambling thoughts

[George Bishop]

Faith actually brings up a good point, that the witch(es) could purposely not submit a kill vote last night just to give an alibi for someone to claim a doctor role.

So far two doctors have died and Mary Black claims a role of a "protector"
I'm not sure I trust that the town would be balanced that way.

FOS: Ezra, I'll withhold my vote, but not for long if I'm not convinced otherwise.

[John English]

That would be a nice little gambit wouldn't it. Of course that would point a finger at Ezra Johnson.

[John English]

To the Bishop's: Can you communicate at night?? If so, when was the last time you had contact with Hiram Bishop??

Ezra Johnson: Reaction please.

Abigail English: What about your information (of the last two nights)? Have you heard something from the mod??

[edit]Hiram Bishop's last post was 08-15-2002. Time for a replacement maybe??[/e]

[This message has been edited by John English (edited 10-21-2002 08:41 AM).]

[Faith Bishop]

Contact at night is not allowed - after all we don't know each others email addresses. Once again another arguement against alias's.

I know that Mith was looking at replacing non-participating players - has anything happened with this?

[John English]

Bah, deadline approaching and my ass is on the line. An innocent ass I must add. Right now I'm really suspicious about Ezra Johnson, who fails to react to the things said.

Another question to the Bishop's: do you know eachother as confirmed innocents, or do you just know eachother.

[Ezra Johnson]

What reaction can I give. It's true. The witches probably could have held back a kill so that they could claim dochood.

So the Bishops cannot communicate at night, but they are known to be innocent to each other?? I don't understand.

[George Bishop]

Well enough time has passed and I still don't get a good feeling about Ezra, so
Vote: Ezra Johnson

The best argument I can use for the Bishop family being innocent is that obviously to win, the witches need to kill everyone else, but our mason group role is to look out for each other. The two things would be in conflict of each other for the Bishops to survive if one of us were a witch and had to kill the others while the rest try to not get them lynched.

[Robert Osborne]

The deadline approaches again. I agree that Ezra's claim is most questionable. For the reasons given, and because he originally claimed it was a "doctor-type" role, but now says he is in fact just a Doctor. Vote: Ezra Johnson.

[John English]

I guess it doesn't matter anyway, because the last 24 hours will start soon, whether or not I vote.

Vote: Ezra Johnson. The reason has been told. His roleclaim is shaky, to say the least.

[Ezra Johnson]

OK, well, I guess that's it for me. I claimed doctor-type because I can't save someone from any type of kill.

vote: John English I think he should be lynched tomorrow!

-JEEP

[John English]

Originally posted by Ezra Johnson, added highlight:

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I claimed doctor-type because I can't save someone from any type of kill.

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Correct if I'm wrong (not a native speaker), but doesn't this mean you are a doctor that can not save people?? That's a type of doctor I've never seen .....

[Ezra Johnson]

*sigh* It's ambiguous. Your interpretation of that statement is valid, but not what was intended. My point is that I can only save people from a specific type of kill. I do not have the ability to save them no matter which kill method if used.

[mith]

Deadline in 24 hours (should've been today, but I haven't been here all day so I'm not going to punish you for it ).

[Faith Bishop]

vote: erza

[mith]

Mabel: Have you read all this by yourself? Such a clever child.

Albert: Yeah! But you should read to me some more.

Mabel: Oh, alright. Where are we... ah, the burning of Ezra Johnson.

Albert: They burned him?

Mabel: Yeah, they wanted to spice things up a bit. So they tied him to a stake, and stacked lots of wood around him while he protested about how he was innocent. They didn't buy it though. You see, they had proof.

Albert: They did? What was that?

Mabel: Silly child. He weighed the same as a duck, of course.

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Ezra Johnson (Witch/Judge) - lynched by the Town

[John English]

w00t
Burn witch, burn

[Faith Bishop]

can anyone post a list of active and inactive players pls