Verbose Mafia

[Elayne]

Tafinel: I am sorry you felt it kept you from particpating. Your "outbursts" were very well written. However, I don't see how having to make them could have kept you from making a normal post right after and discuss whatever you wanted to rationally.

Radwulf: Check the vote talleys. We counted Tafinel's choice several times. But keep on thinking....

[crazycellist]

I just want to say...
I invented the role of the IRS agent. I was rather proud of it, too. But then too much information came out about the night kills and it wouldn't quite stand. For a while there, I thought mole would make it to the end of the game. But oh well. It was fun anyway.

(and this post does not conform to my characteristic. I'm not going to take the time to try to get it right.)

[Ghost Post]

Now that the game is over, you do not need to post with your characteristics. Unless you want to taunt people for not figuring it out, of course. :-)

It's ok to post <3 sentences as well.

[Zealot]

Good job, town. In particular, I think tffff and quercitron were among the most problematic for us, and we had a bit of a string of bad luck thrown in, too. Antrax killing one of us and then himself without ridding us of any townies certainly hurt. I think he can claim some credit for unintentionally helping the town .

I would like to congratulate mudster, tffff, and Puzzleprodigy for very cleverly hiding their characteristics. When I posted way back in #288 about having figured out Macros' characteristic, I identified PP and tffff as likely having the same characteristic. Without Macros, I doubt I would have spotted it. Mole, cello, and I debated some through email at the time whether or not the characteristic might mean we had found the masons. There were only three obvious people using no k's, so we speculated that Taflinel might be a fourth mason who went nuts if someone voted for one of his fellows.

As for mudster... I figured him out right after Chinstrap Penguin revealed Magness' info. Too bad we had killed him earlier. It was a difficult characteristic to hide, but was hidden well enough that it only was apparent to me when I was looking for it.

The tffff bandwagon really was unintentional on my part. Sorry about the "idiot" thing, cello, I was just trying to keep them from lynching me .

I wish to ask quercitron one thing. How did you "know" radwulf was innocent? Several pages ago you hinted that you knew what his characteristic was and that it was somehow making him act the way he did, and for much of the game you maintained that me must have been innocent.

As a last note, we mafia did have characteristics that stood a good chance of getting us lynched if anyone figured them out. They were consistent with the dialogues posted by the mods, although mine would be easier to relate to my name than to the pattern of speech I used in the dialogues. No need to hunt for mole's characteristic, though, he was the godfather and had none. If anyone cares to try to figure it out, I have followed my characteristic faithfully through this post.

-Shorty

[quercitron]

Oh look radwulf, ZEALOT WAS MAFIA. Sorry if I seem a little bitter, but I was annoyed at your suspicion for maybe the last 10 pages

WOOOHOOOOOO!!! First Mafia game ever and I'm on the winning side!

Zealot, I knew radwulf was innocent the same way I knew you were guilty. He felt innocent - he would have been pulling off an incredible performance if he was Mafia but a normal one if he was Town. You felt guilty. I can't really explain it except I'm very very good with instinct IRL (to the point where I always get killed first night or lynched first day if I'm still alive,) and some of it has carried over.

Props to radwulf for his characteristic (you figure it out)
Props to the mods for the best Mafia game ever. I call IN for Verbose 2, whenever it happens.
Slops to me for not always pulling off the best portrayal of my own characteristic...

AND I AM THE NEWSPAPER EDITOR!!!!!!

Congratulations fellow Townies!!!

[quercitron]

[Elayne]

quercitron: Sorry for forgetting your all-seeing, all-knowing printing press of doom. We'll remember that for next time.

[quercitron]

[Elayne]

heh it looks like we both got ISES at about the same time quercitron. Sick your printing press on it

[quercitron]

[Elayne]

Oh wow this is getting funky.

[mole]

[Elayne]

Oh and I think we are the first mafia game to go over 1000 posts. In a small game no less! Good job all in being so verbose.

[Ghost Post]

**Gets funky with Elayne**

[Ghost Post]

quote:

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I WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A CORRECT DECISSION IN ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ENDGAME SCENARIOS:
radwulf, zealot, quercitron
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Okay radwulf, fess up, what would it have been?

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I'm more interested in how he could make a correct choice in the radwulf, magness, quercitron scenario.

[radwulf]

Congratulations quercitron, very nicely played! I did think you were suspicious throughout the game, but maybe that was a good thing towards the end, because they didn't kill you.

Zealot, one serious mistake (IMO) that you, mole and crazycellist comitted was that you didn't realize how convinced of my innocence most of the townies were. crazycellist betrayed herself in the tfff affair hoping I would get flak for it, and you attacked me at that time too, which was the single most important factor that made me vote for you in the last round.

Also praiseworthy was Samadhi... intentional or not, your characteristic fakings and the resulting suspicion probably kept you alive more than you would have made it otherwise. And I owe you one for saving me from crazycellist and zealot after we lynched tfff... if you had sided with them on that one, I would have died right then, right there.

What I'm most curious about is Antrax's story... the misinformation he gave out before his suicide, the suicide, all those controversial things that got us wondering for so long.

[Zealot]

You played this one no differently than your other ones, yet somehow in those you got lynched and in this one you were deemed innocent. I still do not understand that. Good job in any case, I was never quite able to lynch you.

[radwulf]

Well, the plan was very simple... once taf was dead, during the night we would have had: me, quercitron, zealot, magness.

I hoped the mafioso wouldn't dare kill me so he would kill one of the other two. If either magness or zealot would have died, then I would have known that the claim they made was correct, and I hoped that would give me enough information to assess the truth of the other's claim. If quercitron would have been killed, between magness and zealot I would have voted for the person whose claim seemed less believable.

I'm not sure what I would have actually decided in each scenario, but there is a chance I might have voted quercitron in a 3 people endgame with Zealot... but then, querci did a pretty good job convincing me this round, so maybe he would have been able to do that in the 3 people round as well.

[mole]

radwulf: I never wanted you lynched... My plan was to convince you of my innocence and then let you do all the work after that. It worked for a while (yhow far would you have gone defending me from querci?) but I wouldn't have lasted. My mistake was claiming the wrong role - ther would have been another night or two without a death that I couldn't explain. I shoulda claimed the role that Zealot did - you might not have believed me as much at first - but it would have paid off later. I don't know, though...

-Don

[radwulf]

I'm suspecting the explosives had something to do with it, too...

[mole]

radwulf: I never wanted you lynched... My plan was to convince you of my innocence and then let you do all the work after that. It worked for a while (yhow far would you have gone defending me from querci?) but I wouldn't have lasted. My mistake was claiming the wrong role - ther would have been another night or two without a death that I couldn't explain. I shoulda claimed the role that Zealot did - you might not have believed me as much at first - but it would have paid off later. I don't know, though...

-Don

[radwulf]

I'm suspecting the explosives had something to do with it, too...

[mole]

Look! A double simulpost, complete with two ISEs!

[Ghost Post]

Some loose ends:

Antrax, as many of you suspect, was responsible for the kills on nights 2 and 6. He was told he was a doctor, and applied a ointment that made someone bullet-proof. He only got to use it on odd nights; on the even numbered nights, he had to collect herbs to make more. It actually *did* work, but, unbeknownst to him, the ointment was toxic after 24 hours. At the beginning of the game, he was unable to apply the ointment to himself.

On night one, he "protected" mith, who died the following night.
On night three, he was away for the weekend, and had NOT sent any choice in ahead of time. We ended night exactly at the deadline. This was the reason for no kill on night 4, which *should've* his big clue he killed people

On night 5, we told him he had practiced enough with the ointment to be able to use it on himself. And he did.

Thanks to mafia for sending their night 3 and 5 kills in ahead of time.

As for posting e-mails from the mods, it wasn't against the rules I gave out. And so you didn't see Magness eaten by a giant Aardvark. It was generally frowned upon in mafia games here on the GL, and is sometimes declared illegal. I'd love to see someone fake an e-mail from the mods sometime, though.

- L'lanmal

[radwulf]

Well mole, I was thinking that the one time you snapped at me made you more suspicious in the eyes of the rest... my problem was that for some reason I was extremely suspicious of quercitron and not suspicious of you. And I think you're perfectly right about the role... if you had claimed zealot's role, zealot would have been lynched a lot sooner, I guess... but you would have survived for a long time, maybe you would have won. I would have backed you as much as I could if you had claimed the role Zealot did, because I didn't think you were suspicious, for some reason... so yeah, your plan was very successful against me. Fortunately, Samadhi and querci were able to foil it.

[This message has been edited by radwulf (edited 03-26-2002 09:10 PM).]

[Ghost Post]

Modding survey
(As suggested by Samadhi in the waiting list thread. Let us know if you have suggestions for better questions. Spectators can comment as well.)

On a scale of 1 (low)-5 (high) how was the modding/game in the following catagories?

A. Balence
B. Smoothness and pace (Includes whether we stay out of the way of gameplay, rather than rules, deadlines, and clarifications detracting from the game. Also includes the game not getting "stale" due to long days/nights)
C. Creativity/Innovation
D. Fun/Enjoyability of gameplay
E. Over-all

Short answer:

F. Would you sign-up for a similar game?
G. Would you sign-up for another game we modded?

Special (optional)

H. Was it more fun/satisfying or less to play a game without cop/investigative-roles?*
I. What did you think of the charactistic system?

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Game note:
* Batman was not intended as a cop role. One of his main purposes was to help the poisoner/doctor figure out what he was doing.

The recruitment thing would have failed no matter who he tried it on... it was a reference to a Snickers commercial ("I am Batman. Do you want to be my sidekick?"), but it seemed like a good idea to tell him that Crazycellist was in a group, since the mafia was told that someone claiming to be Batman met with her.

There WAS a corresponding role who found the characteristics/roles of those that were lynched.

[This message has been edited by L'lanmal (edited 03-26-2002 09:33 PM).]

[Ghost Post]

Also, I've filled in some roles/characteristics on the front page. More to follow.

[Antrax]

A. Balance -- the game seemed balanced enough for me.
B. Too much deadlines and mod intervention, IMO.
C. Amazing creativity. Maybe even too much, I was having a hard time to keep track.
D. I had absolutely no fun, but I really don't know why. It looked great on paper. I really think it was a problem with me, and not the game.

F. No.
G. Yes, assuming you easy up on the deadlines.
H. Definitely no. I think not having any cops throws the game off balance.
I. I think it can only go well in a puzzle mafia game. Any regular game, and the thread will be cluttered by a ton of useless junk that'll just annoy everybody.
Antrax

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I'm cool, really

[quercitron]

Guesses on characteristics: radwulf must accuse everybody or at least give them FOSs.
Taflinel goes off whenever somebody votes with a mispelled name.
Samadhi had to mention dead citizens names and good things about them.

And I know mine

[mole]

mudster was the identity stealer - he stole sweetwater's characteristic (had to disagree with everything).

[quercitron]

I think it's been long enough...can we have all the information now?

[PuzzleProdigy]

BUMP for information

[Ghost Post]

I have some mafia characteristics for you and a couple other loose ends.

"Chicago" Mithrandir was fond of saying "yeah", and did so in all 3 of his lines in the introduction. (Shorty and Lefty made the "sick joke" about it in the second cut scene.) See replies 53 and 55.

"Lefty" Crazycellist replied with the name of everyone who said her name. (Which happened 3 times in the cut scenes.)

"Shorty" Zealot did not and cannot use contractions.

Don Mole had the special ability of not having a quirk.

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Taflinel's parents were run over by a bandwagon while heading to the polls on election day. As a result, he has a phobia relating to voting. He has a panic attack if and only if the preceding post contains the word vote or voting. Notice he also does not use the word "vote" himself, except on the last night.

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Antrax gave someone a body-part of suspicion each day, and never the same one twice. I guess that isn't so unusual now-a-days.

Loopydog examined the lynching victims, but was also very suggestable. He acquired the charactistics and abilities of anyone lynched (except he did not become mafia if a mafia was lynched). At the time of death, he had acquired "impatience" from art and told Chienfou to hurry up with the drinks, and everyone else to hurry up with choices.
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Radwulf was indeed wired to explosives. However, if shot, he did NOT explode. That was a pleasant fiction of his own invention for self-defence. He pushed the button if lynched, blowing up the last person (he was told a random person) to vote for him.

The town did get quite lucky with mithrandir dying on night 2, and batman catching crazycellist. But the three remaining mafia were highly suspected even before that.

I was quite surprised that Soothsayer's cop ploy worked when he made his accusation before any choices were sent in, and after I said there were no cops. But after he did, I wasn't going to remind everyone there were no cops. I was going to make him have to not only lynch Art in the first 3 rounds, but also not get lynched himself the next round to win. But instead I dropped it to two rounds (to not coincide with the doctor's kill), so didn't make him have to survive the next round. It's a good thing, because he didn't have a chance to post the round after.

Let me know if I there is anyone I haven't given the role and characteristic for yet. Any other questions I should answer before the survey?

[mith]

The one time I behave perfectly innocent as Mafia, and I get killed by the Doctor...

[tffff]

[Zealot]

Welcome back, tffff. I was wondering where you'd disappeared to .

[tffff]

I was internetless for a while.
Note to mods: I thought this was an excellent mafia on the whole. My only complaint would be the length of time it took to do something about macros. I was looking for people with the same characteristic as me and there seemed to be only one other mason to begin with.
Anyway, that aside, it worked fairly well. Well done especially to those townies who survived, except for radwulf, who I'm still a little annoyed with...

[Dragon Phoenix]

a present for Elayne.....

[Elayne]

**gives DP a big hug**

Thank you! Thanks you! Thank you!

[Werebear]

So when's this game starting?