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Greifswald (Mafia 56) - The End.
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Gottfried
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:50 am    Post subject: 321 Reply with quote

If we are assuming that all of the information on werewolves is bad because we have a 'pack leader', then the only one who is known to be good is me (unless you still doubt my role). Irma has also claimed a role and at least one other person has said it was good, so she is probably okay for now.

Everyone one else is a suspect. Since no one else is volunteering any information, it looks like we have to fish for it. The best way to do that is to vote for someone until he or she claims a role. I really hate to do that, but I don't see much of a choice. Does anyone else?

To get the ball rolling, I will Vote: Albrecht

This vote is based on absolutely nothing, and will change if any information at all is provided.
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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:01 am    Post subject: 322 Reply with quote

As a townie, I have a problem with this role claim stuff.
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Olga
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:08 am    Post subject: 323 Reply with quote

Ok, I too agree that there are reallistically only two options left.
There was option 2: Theodor and Irma were lying and Irma really is the last remaining werewolf.
Or option 5: We have a werewolf godfather in our midst.

Now, looking at these two options, there is really no accurate way of deducing out option 5; it's all going to come down to controversial reasoning, and such and such.

But, looking at option 2, there may still be some possibility. Now, if we are all accepting that there is only one wolf left, then all we have to do is find this one wolf and we, the town, wins. So, I put this out there, if there really was a doc protection last night, could the doc please come out and state who they protected. If Irma comes out and no one else does, then we can all be inclined to believe that Irma really is who she says she is. But, if someone else comes out and contradicts what Irma has said then it's guaranteed that one of them is the wolf. If no one else other that Irma comes out, then we are more than likely going to have to go with Option 5, which I too am not a big fan of, as I too am just plain ol' townie. But lets see what the Doc(s) have to say first.
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Olga
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:11 am    Post subject: 324 Reply with quote

Also, if Irma is the only one who comes out as a doc-type, then we've pretty much been able to find another confirmed innocent, as there more than likely had to be someone out last night protecting. And we can also check off her night choice as innocent too.
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Irma
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:22 am    Post subject: 325 Reply with quote

Actually, there is another option that no one has considered. Dietrich found only innocents before he died; might he be a "naive" psychic? In other words, might it be wise for Gottfried to confirm Dietrich's results before we make any hasty decisions?

I would like to have him check me first, but when he finds me innocent, it will not eliminate the possibility that I could be a werewolf godfather (pack leader? alpha wolf?).

I do not know if there would be such a powerful role in a game where roles are not automatically confirmed at death, but if there is, it could be any of us.
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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:26 am    Post subject: 326 Reply with quote

How does Klara know Irma is telling the truth?
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Ursula
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:45 pm    Post subject: 327 Reply with quote

Olga. I'm not sure about your logic. If we did have two docs, how would that prove anything about either of them?
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Albrecht
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:17 pm    Post subject: 328 Reply with quote

This sucks. I don't know who to vote. I don't even have a suspicion. I'll re-re-read the thread again, to see if I can come up with something.
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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:01 pm    Post subject: 329 Reply with quote

I only hope the Mod will tell us when we have no werewolves left.
Ah well
vote: Klara
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Klara
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 12:21 pm    Post subject: 330 Reply with quote

Originally posted by Lebrecht:
How does Klara know Irma is telling the truth?

Do I really have to spell it out for you? I thought it would be pretty obvious. Oh well, here goes:

I - am - a - her - ba - list - too.

I'm the one that protected Gottfried last night, not Irma (or maybe we both did). Anyway, thank you for having me claim my role .

Originally posted by Lebrecht:
I only hope the Mod will tell us when we have no werewolves left.
Ah well
vote: Klara

Why vote without any reasoning at all? That's just plain stupid. It's like putting a rope around your neck and saying: "Hey, lynch me, I'm already prepared." Didn't you have any logic or didn't you care to explain? Here's a FOS: Lebrecht. And it's just a FOS because I find someone else more suspicious at the moment.

"Who might that be?", you must wonder. Well, I found Olga to be highly suspicous troughout the game. I never voted for her since she was found to be not a werewolf. But now that doesn't count for anything anymore. Plus, she was literally asking for another doc to come out if there is one. I didn't get the total logic of that. It's never good to reveal a doc. I wouldn't have told you if Lebrecht didn't mention anything about it. Anyway, vote: Olga.

Irma, I think it's best we both flip a coin and protect either Gottfried or eachother. This way, the "godfather werewolf" has more than 50% chance of no kill if trying to lynch one of us three (IMO, the three known innocents).

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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:59 pm    Post subject: 331 Reply with quote

Klara: I asked you a question. You ignored it. I voted you.
unvote: Klara
You answered my question and I unvoted you... see how that works.
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Klara
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 11:23 am    Post subject: 332 Reply with quote

Lebrecht, don't you see the difference between these two questions at all ?

  • How does Klara know Irma is telling the truth?
  • Klara, how do you know Irma is telling the truth?


The first one means a question in general, the second one is directed to one person. Plus, there weren't even 48 hours between your "question to me" and your vote. If you really wanted to know, you should have asked it again or should have waited a little longer. Just voting for me (without even explaining why) doesn't cut the cake for me. You did explain in your last post. It takes one sentence, you know. And even after your explanation, it looks pretty crappy to me. Why just vote for someone who didn't (want to) respond to your question when you know the chances are far greater that (s)he is a doc too (Admit it, you could have known. Why do you think noone else responded to your question?) than that two of them are bad.

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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2002 2:48 am    Post subject: 333 Reply with quote

Or one of them is a werewolf trying to endear themselves to the doctor. If you are going to claim a role, try to not beat around the bush. The werewolves can read the same things into these posts as everyone else.
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Klara
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:11 am    Post subject: 334 Reply with quote

And so it seems we are the only two one that posted these last two days .

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Gottfried
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:18 am    Post subject: 335 Reply with quote

First, here is the current role information as I understand it...

Albrecht -- Not Wolf (Gottfried)
Bernhard -- Not Wolf (Gottfried)
Lebrecht -- Not Wolf (Gottfried), Townie (Lebrecht)
Olga -- Not Wolf (Gottfried)

Erika -- Not Wolf (Dietrich)
Klara -- Not Wolf (Dietrich), Village Herbalist (Klara)
Ursula -- Not Wolf (Dietrich)

Gottfried -- Psychic (Gottfried)
Irma -- Not Wolf (Theodor), Village Herbalist (Irma)

I see a couple of cases. But they all devolve down to the one set of action. Here is what I think:

1) Irma and Klara need to protect each other. I am expendable. If they can protect each other long enough, then we will eventually win. If one of them dies, then we know the other was lying and we lynch them. Otherwise, we should trust them.

2) If there is a werewolf left that I can detect, it will be either Erika or Ursula. We should lynch one and I will check out the other one (assuming I live long enough).

3) Assuming I die tonight or can't find the last werewolf, we just keep on lynching people until we eventually get the missing werewolf.

Opinions?

To start things off, I will ...
Unvote: Albrecht
Vote: Ursula

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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:39 pm    Post subject: 336 Reply with quote

vote: Ursula
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Ferris
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:08 am    Post subject: 337 Reply with quote

Vote Count:

Ursula 2 (Gottfried, Lebrecht)
Olga 1 (Klara)

Five needed for a majority.
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Erika
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2002 3:59 am    Post subject: 338 Reply with quote

vote: Ursula
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Olga
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2002 7:03 pm    Post subject: 339 Reply with quote

Sounds like a safe enough bet.

Vote: Ursula
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Albrecht
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 2:01 pm    Post subject: 340 Reply with quote

Vote: Ursua
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The Narrator
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 6:25 am    Post subject: 341 Reply with quote

Majority reached - that's a lynch.

The much-diminished majority speaks, and Ursula is led to the gallows.
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Ferris
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 6:26 am    Post subject: 342 Reply with quote

My RL situation means a shortened 'storyline' for now. Apologies.

Night choices please, for form's sake.

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The Narrator
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:12 pm    Post subject: 343 Reply with quote

Had the villagers done enough? Was Ursula a werewolf?

By now, thoroughly afraid, the eight remaining villagers spent the night of the next full moon wondering just that. Were they to be terrorised yet again and be faced with death come morning?

No-one dared looking out of their window when a hair-raising howl was heard in the village - they had still not done enough to wipe out the menace from their fast diminishing community.

However, when morning came, there were no deaths to confront them. Clearly, someone or something had thwarted any remaining wolf (or wolves?) for a second night. Good news, but there still remained the question of who was responsible for that howl in the night...

By common consent, five were still needed for a lynching majority, although if it came to a four-all tie, the first to reach the four votes needed for that tie would hang.
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Olga
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2002 2:39 pm    Post subject: 344 Reply with quote

Alright, do either of the herbalists want to step forward and mention who they protected last night (confirm another innocent)? And also, what does Gottfried have to say about his last remaining investigation, Erika? Any luck I hope today comes out a little clearer than yesterday did.
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Irma
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2002 5:37 pm    Post subject: 345 Reply with quote

I protected Klara last night, as Gottfried advised. If she protected me, too, then there are several possibilities:
1) One of us herbalists was attacked last night, and survived.
2) The wolf or wolves is lying low for some reason.
3) We have a third protector of some in the village (possibly, but not necessarily, another herbalist).

I think in future we should flip a coin, giving us a 50% chance of protecting a random person. We won't do the village much good by only protecting each other, but we can't help anyone at all if we get killed.

Klara suggested something similar earlier, except the choices then were to protect either Gottfried or the other herbalist, and Gottfried can't help us if we have a godfather-type wolf.
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Gottfried
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2002 8:17 pm    Post subject: 346 Reply with quote

I checked out Klara last night, because should could have been a werewolf pretending to be a herbalist. Her aura checked out fine.

That means that the only person who could be a werewolf that I haven't checked is Erika. I suspect though that she will check out okay and we are dealing with a alpha-werewolf.

Here is the current status...

Gottfried -- Psychic (Gottfried)
Klara -- Not Wolf (Gottfried, Dietrich), Village Herbalist (Klara)
Irma -- Not Wolf (Theodor), Village Herbalist (Irma)

Albrecht -- Not Wolf (Gottfried)
Bernhard -- Not Wolf (Gottfried)
Lebrecht -- Not Wolf (Gottfried), Townie (Lebrecht)
Olga -- Not Wolf (Gottfried)

Erika -- Not Wolf (Dietrich)

Unless someone volunteers some more information, I believe that Klara and Irma have to continue to protect each other. If one falls, the other will the next night and we will have no protection at all. If they both survive, then then worst case is that we get down to three people (Klara, Irma, and the alpha-werewolf) at which point they can lynch him.

At this point, I don't have a clue who to vote for. Since Erika has a very slightly higher chance of being a werewolf, I will...

Vote: Erika
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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2002 8:52 pm    Post subject: 347 Reply with quote

vote: Erika
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Polotet
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 1:13 am    Post subject: 348 Reply with quote

I think Erika is our best choice for now. Vote: Erika
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Olga
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 3:47 pm    Post subject: 349 Reply with quote

agreed. Vote: Erika
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Klara
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 8:15 pm    Post subject: 350 Reply with quote

Sorry guys, I didn't protect Irma tonight but Gottfried. I figured the remaining werewolf would pick him since he suggested Irma and I should protect each other. And I was right . I think I'll go with you guys and vote: Erika.

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The Narrator
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 11:34 pm    Post subject: 351 Reply with quote

Without even one dissenting voice, the villagers quickly choose Erika to be hanged from the gallows. Five speak with the power of the majority, and bundle her towards the old black scaffold which has seen so many lives cut short in these last few months. An almost indecent haste is observed in their actions, as if getting their unsavoury task over with more quickly will somehow mitigate the deterioration in rational thought that has come over them. Truly, the residents of Greifswald have formed themselves into a lynch mob; any death is acceptable to the few remaining – as long as it isn’t their own. Gradually, they are becoming that which they fear the most – killers without remorse or pity, doing what they have to do to survive, and ever so slightly less distinguishable from the hidden killer within their midst.

But will this lynch be enough to quell their need for vengeance? Or will still more blood be spilled come full moon, and bring the last villagers one step closer to destroying themselves utterly?

Erika hangs without a word. The villagers return to their desperate lives until the night of the next full moon...
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The Narrator
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 6:39 am    Post subject: 352 Reply with quote

Morning breaks once more over the village of Greifswald.

After two months where the forces of evil have seemingly been frustrated in their attempts at night, it appears that - for them at least - 'third time lucky' is appropriate.

The grim spectre of death has visited once more, and no-one is surprised to find the body of Gottfried sprawled outside his house - dragged from there to be horribly savaged by tooth and claw.

The work of an unthinking beast, purely acting out of a mindless compulsion to kill - one of nature's freaks? Or a calculated act, planned and carried out by one of the six sombre people who gaze down upon poor Gottfried - one who even now calls for another to hang, so they can continue their diabolical work?
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Ferris
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 6:42 am    Post subject: 353 Reply with quote

A lynching majority is now down to four. If tied at three-all, the first to reach that final count of three will hang.

Choose wisely - time is running out...
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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:11 pm    Post subject: 354 Reply with quote

Gah! The plot sickens.
I have one idea.. how about voting the people cleared first by the cops in case the werewolves have the power to turn others. Yeah, probably not a great idea either.
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Klara
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:15 pm    Post subject: 355 Reply with quote

I still think Olga is the most suspicious one left.

Vote: Olga

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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:35 pm    Post subject: 356 Reply with quote

Olga.. hmm, ...

*ponders*

... Ok. Olga.

vote: Olga
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Irma
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:56 am    Post subject: 357 Reply with quote

Unless someone has a better idea, I too will vote: Olga.
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Albrecht
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:20 pm    Post subject: 358 Reply with quote

So we are voting for Irma just because she's the most suspicious one left...
Any other reason??

Keeping my vote for now because it would be the 4th.
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Lebrecht
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2002 5:05 pm    Post subject: 359 Reply with quote

No, we are voting for Olga.
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Bernhard
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:35 am    Post subject: 360 Reply with quote

I have no better idea, so vote: Olga. Sorry, but I doubt any defense you could give would be sufficient anyway.
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