Mafia in Mossflower! (Mafia 58)(Finished)

[ralphmerridew]

I'm Coggs (hedgehog). I'll explain my ability everyone else tells their role.

[PuzzleProdigy]

Errors and omissions:
TANSTAAFL was Pear, not Amber.

[Bear Skin Rug]

...boy, try and err on the side of caution and show reasonable doubt, and all of a sudden you're crazy. *grin*

[Sparhawk]

Then again, maybe we are all crazy since we are hearing a rug speak!

[Porro]

Originally posted by Sparhawk:

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Then again, maybe we are all crazy since we are hearing a rug speak!

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What do you mean 'we'?

[ralphmerridew]

To crackerjack & jadesmar, please speak. And to Porro & Sparhawk, please speak about game-relevant issues. I really think it's time for everyone to put their cards on the table.

[PuzzleProdigy]

If you people are going to continue to not talk or vote, then youget a deadline...

Wednesday, 4 PM

[Amb]

Vote PuzzleProdigy

Im reading the threads to look for mistakes or self identifying mafia.... So talking too much at this point serves no purpose

(And plus which - what happens if the mod reaches the lynch count dying to know)

How many mafia are left? We cannot lynch town today or we are screwed. It may pay to begin thinking about a no lynch tactic soon.

[ralphmerridew]

There has to be at least one mafia left, or the game would be over.

If there's only one mafia left (Tsarmina), then there would be three mafias total (Bane, Cludd, and Tsarmina). But with Bane's trap, I don't think that's too likely.

If there are three or more mafia left, then the town has no chance, and PP probably would have ended the game this morning.

Therefore, having two mafias left seems most likely.

[Amb]

Here we go.....

I read the thread.....

Sparhawk: Bandwaggoning.... not suspicious in itself but the timing was a typical slot of a mafia voting their own

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Just to keep things moving along...
Unvote: The Accountant
Vote: Groza

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Bandwaggons again

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Vote: The Accountant because I have to vote for someone and he has declined to defend himself.

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and again...

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The logic appears sound and the defense weak. I will ...
Vote: Kazooish

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and again... on a bandwagon I started in the hopes of getting defense, not a lynch

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Werebear tried to keep the serial killer alive and now wants to lynch amb (Columbine)? I don't know what his role is, but it can't be good.
Vote: Werebear

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Only one time did Sparhawk vote away from a bandwagon, and that was on Termital whose role claim he didnt believe, despite me pretty much backing him up....

Also he has kept very quiet in this game with opinions as well, so that just adds to it....
I said I wanted to hear more from him.... Im not hearing it yet BUT i am hearing "mafia" whispered in my ear

Vote Sparhawk How much more suspicious does he have to be...

[crackerjack]

I haven't really spoke much before because I really didn't have a whole lot to say. But I do now!!

vote: ralphmerridew

He is scum. I know this for a fact. If you need further proof I will offer it to you, but trust me and lynch the poisoner.

[Sparhawk]

Amb -- what do you want from me? I thought I did answer you. Have I bandwagoned alot in this game? Yes. Why? Because I didn't have anything else to go on. The one time I did have information was Kazooish, and I think I was fairly active in getting him lynched. And I haven't always followed a bandwagon. For example, I didn't vote for Termital, who wasn't a mafia. Yet you are using that as a fact against me. Why?

In any case, I don't have any information about who is mafia. So all I can go on is gut feel from re-reading the thread. Since he hasn't responded at all, I will...

Vote: Crackerjack

[Amb]

Bah - I had arguments against Sparhawk and Ralphmerridew, but i backed down from RalphMerridew cos I didnt think I could get a following on it

BUT IF WE LYNCH A TOWN TODAY, WE LOSE THE GAME! So we cannot assume that the truth is being told here.... I want more details and soon

[PuzzleProdigy]

1 Sparhawk
1 ralphmerridew
1 crackerjack

4 to lynch

~77.5 hours till the deadline...

[ralphmerridew]

Vote: crackerjack

I don't know who else may or may not be mafia, but crackerjack is definitely lying about me.

[jadesmar]

I am here
vote: Crackerjack
That is all.

[jadesmar]

unvote: crackerjack
I really should read the thread before voting.
Ok, if crackerjack is not lying ralphmerridew is scum and will die tomorrow.
Now.. what is this further proof crackerjack?

[Sparhawk]

Oops! Crackerjack posted while I was composing my last email. So ignore my comment about him not posting.

Crackerjack: I would like some proof to go on. At this point you could easily be mafia trying to secure the victory by getting a townie lynched. So can you back up your claim somehow?

[crackerjack]

I am Gonff, Prince of Mousethieves. Every night I have the ability to steal someone's ability and use it on someone else. Last night, I stole from ralphmerridew and targeted TANST. (Sorry TANSTAAFL...it was just random guessing). At any rate, I got a message saying I was successful (first time). Then TANSTAAFL dies of poisoning. So I know that ralphmerridew is guilty.

[Amb]

No actually you dont. You may have picked some other skill, and an independant mafia may have killed them thus making the other 'skill' redundant .... Admittedly this is unlikley

So heres what we do.
If CJ is scum then ralph is innocent, if ralph is scum then CJ is telling the truth.
Lets shelve those two and ignore them. CJ can prove himself later.

In the remaining four players, Porro is innocent and Im innocent. This leaves Jadesmar or Sparhawk to be scum. So can we derive anything from them..... I will read all Jadesmars/roadbirds posts later tonight and see, but my vote remains on Sparhawk for now.

Whether we vote for the CJ/Ralph Combination, or the Jadesmar/Sparhawk combo (1 innocent and 1 guilty) we have a 50% chance of losing the game Im tending toward the Jadesmar/Sparhawk.

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Ooh just thought....
Bear in mind that CJ might be able to save the town by redirecting kills. CJ overnight try to redirect onto Jadesmar if we lynch Sparhawk

Also if you ever directed Termital at any point please let us know - just in case porros investigation result was someone elses

[Amb]

Can you redirect onto self?

What happens if that mafia isnt sent out to kill?

[Amb]

If you can - redirect ralph to kill himself - if you agree to this then we maybe can risk lynching sparhawk....

Gods this is confusing....

[Porro]

We're still thrashing about a bit aren't we. I think forceing role claims may help, so I will also reveal myself.

amb = Columbine (confirmed innocent)
Ralphmerridew = Coggs (hedgehog)
Crackerjack = Gonff (king of the mousethieves)
Porro = Skipper (otter) (amb's investigation result says innocent)
RoadBird- jadesmar 2 =
Sparhawk =

[crackerjack]

it seems highly unlikely that I was successful in the night and TANSTAAFL dies being a coincidence, but I guess it's a possibility.

I don't see how I could have a player target himself. I don't think that's allowed in mafia, but I could be wrong. I just know that my ability is to state the name of the player I would like to target, and the name of the player I would like to force that player to target. I doubt I could force a player to target himself. Really I don't know why we shouldn't just lynch ralphmerridew. I suppose it is just a matter of whether you believe me or not. If you lynch me, then ralphmerridew will be allowed another kill. If you don't lynch him or me, then I will simply steal from him again in the night and target someone else to protect myself. If he is the last mafia, then the town will win regardless of whether you lynch myself or ralphmerridew. If you lynch me you will know I was telling the truth when my identity is revealed. A night kill will bring you down to four, with a 3-1 majority in the next day. If there are two mafia, then you need to lynch correctly or lose. Reading ralphmerridew's last post, I would guess that he is the last mafia trying to make us think there are two more. (Just a guess...)

Looking back through my sent items, here is what I did:
The first night I screwed up and targeted AMB but didn't pick a player to steal from.
The second night AMB targeted Ameb.
The third night sparhawk targeted ralphmerridew.
The fourth night sooth targeted roadbird
The fifth night no choice sent. I didn't know it was night.
The sixth night ralphmerridew targeted TANSTAAFL

I was told that the player may be told that his ability was stolen, but not by whom. So if AMB or Sparhawk have an ability they might be able to confirm that I am not lying.

[mith]

Moving to Mafia Games...

[Amb]

I think Sparhawk is scummy still and Im sticking with it for now.

We cannot afford to believe CJ's claim so we need to shelve those two (Cj and RM) and concentrate on Jadesmar and Sparhawk. One of them has to be scum from each pair.....

Gah.....

[jadesmar]

vote:crackerjack
Deadline please.

[Porro]

Please will Roadbird and Sparhawk claim roles

[jadesmar]

*you find a note..*

It reads:
I am offended by being called RoadBird.
I haven't been RoadBird for like 3 pages now

signed:
Ferdy (hedgehog)

ps. Still voting for crackerjack.

[Amb]

Voting CrackerJack doesnt help us here at all.... We have no way of verifying or denying his claim - your vote is based on a guess.

[crackerjack]

Actually, lynching me would win the game for the town if there is only one mafia left. You get me and know I am telling the truth and you get ralphmerridew tomorrow. If there are two mafia, I don't think the other is sparhawk since I stole his ability and used it on ralphmerridew and nothing happened.

[PuzzleProdigy]

3 crackerjack
1 ralphmerridew

Deadline is still tomorrow, 4 PM.

Any three voters may vote for no lynch, and that will occur, no confirmations necessary.

[Sparhawk]

I am Urthclaw, a mole. I would prefer to not say what my ability is.

I cannot prove of disprove crackerjack's claim about my ability, because my ability isn't targeted (I don't have to send in a name every night). I didn't get any notice of crackerjack doing something to me, but I would guess that I wouldn't get any notice so that doesn't mean anything.

I am uncomfortable not lynching either crackerjack or ralphmerridew. It seems obvious that one of them is lying. Both of them have claimed viable characters and no one else has claimed the roles, but they can't both be true that I can see. My vote will stay on crackerjack because the ability seems too contrived, but if it turns out he was telling the truth I will apologize and lead the lynch squad against ralphmerridew tomorrow.

[Amb]

Since Puzzle Prodigy missed my vote in the official count, I will make it more official

Confirm Vote SPARHAWK

[Amb]

Pluswhich we lose if you are wrong Sparhawk, so you wont be apologizing, youll be celebrating or dead.

[crackerjack]

I believe Sparhawk is correct when he says that it makes sense to lynch myself or ralphmerridew. But he is making the wrong choice with his vote. I wish I was better at this game and I could convince him that I am indeed the king of mousethieves. But I am not real good at persuading and really wouldn't know what else to say. I still say that if there are two mafias, lynch me and the game is over. It ralphmerridew is the only mafia, lynch me and the town will win tomorrow.

[crackerjack]

Sorry to post twice, but I just realized that ralphmerridew claimed a name but not an ability. I know that his ability is to poison someone to death, but I'd like to hear what he will make up. He said he would tell his ability when others told theirs. I told mine. Now let's hear yours, ralphmerridew.

[Sparhawk]

We have a problem. If there is one mafia left, then it is either Ralphmerridew or Crackerjack. We can lynch one today and we can get the other tomorrow. No problem.

However, if there are two mafia left, then if we lynch the wrong one we lose. Likewise, if you lynch me, we lose. [Unless the target gets protected tonight.] This is a problem, and not one I see an easy answer to.

If there is one mafia and we don't lynch anyone, then we are in the same position tomorrow with one less person; the situation isn't any better. If there is two mafia and we don't lynch anyone, then we will be down to 3 townfolk and 2 mafia. Is there any way we can use this time to verify either Ralphmerridew's or Crackerjack's claims? If we can, then we can lynch a mafia tomorrow although we are down to the class 3 people left situation which isn't pretty.

I tend to think that there are two mafia left although I am hoping there is only one. What do others think? If there are two it seems like we have a 50/50 chance of losing today by lynching the wrong person. Do we have a better chance by not lynching anyone today?

[Edited to fix spelling]

[This message has been edited by Sparhawk (edited 11-27-2002 12:03 PM).]

[PuzzleProdigy]

3.25 hours left...

[PuzzleProdigy]

3 crackerjack
1 ralphmerridew
1 Sparhawk- confirmed