Designer Mafia [Mafia win. Dissertations and end game stuff

[Neo]

unvote whoever
vote Green Crayons

Your "suspicions" of Macros seem to center around "He was lying about not having computer access!"

[Amb]

Voting update with corrections
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7. GreenCrayons (Werebear, Polotet, Hitchhiker, Macros, MacadamiamaN, Trevize, Neo)
5. MacadamiamaN (Planky, ralphmerridew, MikeGoo, Chucky, Xer0x)
3. Werebear (Courk, Quercitron, BearTalon)
1. Macros (GreenCrayons)
1. ralphmerridew (Gaspode)
1. Vegtable2001 (RSA)

Lets see if I have it a little more accurate now....

[edit: neo's vote snuck in while I did this up + distracted by phone call]



[This message has been edited by amb (edited 01-11-2003 06:22 PM).]

[Beartalon]

There's only 3 for Werebear, and mine is quickly turning halfhearted.

[Werebear]

Hey, I have half of Beartalon's heart!

[dorkphish]

I have half his brain!

[Green Crayons]

Okay, let's take a look back to the post where i first voted Macros. This is what i based my reason on:

quote:

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Alright, Macros' post did it for me. There is an obvious lynch-race going on here, and he doesn't commit to any of the wagons - meaning, it seems like he's going out of his way to look like he's trying to be pro-town.

Either he's just pussy footing around, or he's purposefully trying to stay of a wagon that's going to lynch someone innocent. I think it's the second.

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Wow, look at me hoopin' and hollarin' about him not being online! Just look at it, everyone! It's all i can talk about! No reasoning in that passage, folks! Just, plain, outright stupidity because i'm talking about how he hasn't been playing, because he hasn't been online, so therefore must be scum! Wow! I am stupid!

He was the one who brought up the excuse of "Oh, i just got on, i didn't know what else to do," and i refuted it, Neo.

FOS:
1. Werebear - Why is your vote still on me? Because i set the dogs after you. Riiight.
2. Polotet - Why is your vote on me? Just riding it out, seeing where it takes you?
3. Hitchhiker - A hunch? How am i supposed to defend myself against "a hunch." Give me your reasons, you basis for this hunch.
4. Trevize - Wow. At least everyone else added a quick, witty little phrase with their vote.
5. Neo - You somehow forgot why i am voting Macros, even though you stepped in earlier? Okay..


It feels good to bitch. I don't bitch when i'm mafia, i play it all cool like. I just dont want to die, i like my role.

[Green Crayons]

Oh, how could i forget?

FOS (con't):
6. MN - You have a strange sense of overly defensive. Whatever.
7. Macros - Would love for you to actually put me in that "rabid dog" crap. Compare me to what you said i am, by providing examples. I can explain every single one of my actions with much more reasoning than whatever you apply to me.

[Vegtable2001]

GC, for future reference, making 7 FOS's isn't a good way to make friends. Particularly when most of them are for voting you for being "overly defensive." Let me get this straight. You're suspicious of Macros because he didn't join a bandwagon, which is a ploy for him to appear really innocent? And you're suspicious of Werebear, Polotet, Hitchhiker, Trevise, Macnut, and oddly eneough, Macros for being on your bandwagon?

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[Green Crayons]

The five FOS's are there simply to vent, because the day ends tonight, and i'm going to be lynched.

I dont expect anyone to take them seriously. Just stuff to think about. And the only one to vote for me for being overly defensive is MN; and my role is way much cooler than his.

[chucky]

Silly Mr. Green Crayons, you made seven FOSes, not just five! But that's okay, because you're a swell guy, and i like you. So i won't vote for you!

Unvote: MacadamiamaN
Vote: Macros

Just so you won't feel like everyone thinks you're stupid fly! I mean.. uh.. crazy! Yeah!

[chucky]

And, yes, Veg. It appears that Mr. Green Crayons somehow thinks that mafia might actually be smart, and try to purposefully look exceedingly pro-town. I know, it's a stretch for me to believe, too, but, hey! What difference does it make, when we could just mindlessly bandwagon?

Oh, don't worry Mr. Green Crayons. I won't vote you even now. I believe you!

[Beartalon]

Originally posted by Werebear:

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Hey, I have half of Beartalon's heart!

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Silly bear. This is Designer Mafia, not Interior Designer Mafia. Keep your paws to yourself.

dorkphish - put it to good use. Now you have half a brain.

[Amb]

While the town carefully counted the votes, Green Crayons was swearing "FOS" this and "FOS" that. The count wasnt enough to lynch, but with the sun setting - it would have to do.

They grabbed Green Crayons and lead him to the gallows - only some bastard had stolen the rope.
"Any got some rope"?
-silence-
"Well how about a chain?"
-silence-
"A piece of hose? Barbed wire? ShoeLaces ???"
-silence-
Came a voice from the crowd, "I have a steamroller"
"That will do fine"

Green crayons was promptly made into part of the main street. He didnt want to be a part of it - but you could say he was pressed into it.

Green Crayons was a ventriloquist. His full abilities however cannot yet be disclosed. But one thing can be known. Green Crayons was good - on the side of the town - and with his death the mafia have gained an upperhand. This was NOT a good player to lash upon.

It is now night
72 Hours Max

[Amb]

Quercitron knew he had to hurry. His night target would be moving quickly. Limping along the geriatric arrived at the local doctors office. The doctor he wanted walked out the front door - leaving to perform some task.

They both spoke at the same time. "How co-incidental - I was just coming to see you". The geriatric Quercitron took his cane and said "AHA! No night action for you my friend" and promptly whacked the doctor a crippling blow across the kneecap. Quercitron walked home.

As he did so he began to feel ill. He stiffened like a board and collapsed. As his life slowly drained away from him, he hardly noticed a stolen steamroller being driven toward him flat-tack....

A small rustle in the nearby bushes told courk she was being watched. Or that she was being paranoid. "It must be a random killer, id better run". She knew she wouldnt be killed by mafia, for she worked for them as a sabotuer. She saw the killer emerge as she looked back and she sprinted all the faster. Now it can be said crossing roads without looking is dangerous. It can be said crossing the motorway without looking is stupid. Courk however tried to escape by running across the local airport runway and in the pitch black no less. She never registered or heard the sound of the landing plane.

And darkness reigned over the citadel.

The horizon was a beautiful example of a straight line. That is until a fiery ball shot up from underneath it and ruined it all. It also had the audacity to extinguish all the stars and send the darkness whimpering off into... well, the darkness.

Dead:
Courk: The Mafia Sabotuer - Landed on by a 747. Her full role will be revealed later.
Quercitron: RoleBlocking Geriatric. Killed twice - 1) Pressed flat GC style. 2) Unknown cause - presumable the same as Saberkitty. Quercitron could whack a persons kneecap each night thus disabling their night choice. He was pro town.
Immune to lynching
Werebear is immune today - the aura mantle has moved from RSA to him.

There are 17 players alive. It will take 9 to lynch.

[This message has been edited by amb (edited 01-14-2003 03:34 PM).]

[Beartalon]

I'll start:

Vote: MacadamiamaN

Why: there is a priest in this game that can't read his/her own investigations, but must choose to pass them on to someone else. Last night's result was passed on to me. MadadamiamaN is a vampire who used to be town, who can also convert people to being vampires.

We would have done much better to kill him in the daylight. If I read the priest's result properly, he was a victim, and since he is not now dead, there must also be at least two more - MacadamiamaN's victim, and his progenitor's victim, making at most 4 vampires now among us. We can only kill one today. I beg that later tonight we go vampire hunting. I investigated MacadamiamaN's night choice. Gaspode was his victim and now is possibly a vampire.

It is highly likely that I will be killed tonight for this revelation. I beg for protection from vampires, and beyond that we have the mafia to contend with.

[Planky]

[Planky]

One more thing, The quickest way to elimate the Vampires is if we find the leader, if we can kill him - the vampires will be no more. Now we only have to find the bastard

[Vegtable2001]

Vote Macnut Worst case scenario bearty is really scum, we lynch an innocent then bearty tommorow. Best case we have 1 scum down today, then we lynch Gaspode tommorow.

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[Vegtable2001]

Nevermind, Worst case scenario Bearty has been used by scum and we lynch an innocent with no real known scum tommorow.

[MacadamiamaN]

I'm not a vampire. I don't know what's going on, but I do know that Bear is lying, OR Bear was lied to. The role I claimed is true.

Personally I think Bear is lying - If there is such a role as a cop who cannot read his own results, where are the results from before? If Bear is not a cop, what is he? It's very, very possible that Bear is simply a mafia puppet, or mafia himself.

[MacadamiamaN]

Oh, and I suppose it's necessary to FOS: BearTalon

[Polotet]

Vote: MacadamiaN. I just don't think any other scenario is logical.

[Beartalon]

Originally posted by MacadamiamaN:

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My role does not involve evil, I ask people one question during the night. The information I received last night cannot pertain to this day, so I have nothing to offer.

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This is NOT a role claim. This is simply a suggestion that you have an investigative role. Most of us do, it seems. I do.

So, what did you ask Gaspode, and what was his response? And does the information you received on night one and two pertain to today? You sure aren't saying much about your supposed pro-town role.

[chucky]

Kill the vampire leader gets rid of the other vampires.. but does that mean they die, or just revert back to normal?

What does this darkness mean? Do the vampires game Godfather-ness or something?

Vote: Macad


Oh, and i hate you all for killing Green Crayons. ...Oh, god, why? Whhhhhy...!? Okay, i'm good.

[MacadamiamaN]

You're trying to get information out of me, which wont happen if you intend to lynch me. I have information on RSA and Trevise.

To clarify: I don't ask the person, I ask the mod, who answers using knowledge of the person. And that was an exact role claim.

[Polotet]

So you'll screw over the team you're on because they're lynching you with good reason? Then there's no way I'm unvoting.

[MacadamiamaN]

From my perspective, the team is screwing over itself, with "good reason".

[Neo]

So I assume the vamps aren't pro-town? Gah, that would be an evil role twist

vote Macnut

[Polotet]

You do realize that if you are really town, you should always do your best to help the town, even when we're killing you? Because you still win if the town wins. And, if you are telling the truth, which I doubt, we will learn from our mistake next turn. Otherwise, if you are innocent, which, again, I doubt, we will learn nothing.

[MacadamiamaN]

ok. I asked RSA if he was innocent during the first night (I couldn't think of anything more creative), and he said yes. I asked Trevise on the second night if he was innocent, to which he also replied yes. Whether you believe me or not, I know I'm not a vampire.

If I'm not a vampire, where did BearTalon or his informant get the idea of a vampire? Something to think about tonight after I'm lynched.

[Courk]

I couldn't die peacefully in my sleep?

[e]I'll be a replacement shoudl you ever need one.[/e]

[This message has been edited by Courk (edited 01-14-2003 10:22 PM).]

[Beartalon]

MacadamiamaN: According to my investigation, your question last night was about Gaspode, not Trevize, unless you can ask more than one question per night. My investigation reveals a night choice. It doesn't tell whether it's for good or evil. The priest provided the "evilness" of the role, and also according to the priest role as revealed to me, the priest chooses whom to send the information randomly. There is no great conspiracy between the priest and me.

So I ask the mod - if a player can have more than one target (positive or negative effect), and someone can investigates that player's night targets, do you tell him all the targets or only one of them?

[Amb]

Question
If a player can have more than one target (positive or negative effect), and someone can investigates that player's night targets, do you tell him all the targets or only one of them?

Answer
If such a role for checking night choices in the game exists, the result would include ALL targetted names.

[MacadamiamaN]

I find this a little hard to believe. What are the odds that two cop-like roles choose to investigate the same person, AND having the result from one of the cops sent to the other cop anonymously, creating an amazingly complete report? BearTalon, by his own admission, has said he has no affiliation with the priest.

Let's be generous for the sake of things, and say that each of the cops had a 50% chance of investigating me. Logically, there would be a 25% chance of both of them investigating me. With 17 players alive, there would be a 7% (1/15) chance of the Priest's result being sent to the other cop who investigated me (excluding me, and the priest himself). This comes out to a 1/68 chance that both cops pick me and one sent the info to the other. And that's being generous.

Does that seem like a likely coincidence to you? What if it's not a coincidence at all? What if the vampires are afraid that a freak investigation would reveal their leader? What if they sacrificed someone to kill someone they knew was a cop?

[Beartalon]

I received the priest's information before I had submitted my night choice, so your statistics don't work.

amb hasn't told us any rule he uses in distributing the night information, but this leads me to believe he processes things sequentially if they interact. That is up to him to clarify.

In the meantime, based on what I was told, I felt it in my best interest to see who your next target was.

[xer0x]

die scum die. *hates vampires* vote: beartalon

[xer0x]

What was I thinking?!? Unvote: Beartalon; Vote: MacadamiamaN

So GC was right about Macnut...

[ralphmerridew]

Vote: MacadamiaMan

[mikegoo]

vote: MacadamiaN...seems like the best way go for today.

[Amb]

And then the town rushed forth toward said vampire Macadamiaman.

It seemed all to easy. Was he really a vampire. I mean he did use a copious amount of sunblock cream, and he was never seen without his shades, but was he really a vampire?

Then the suggestion was raised. 'Lets take him to the mirror maze'. And the town took Macadamiaman inside and no reflection showed. Macadamiaman was as claimed - vampirously evil. And his death was long overdue. He couldnt be lynched, the rope was missing. And mirrors didnt kill vampires. The steamroller was of petrol due to overuse. There had to be something.... something nice for a vampire.

While the town decided, Mac said aloud 'Since my fate is decided, may I get some shut eye since im not really meant to be up at day', and he pointed towards his car (fittingly a remodelled hearse, with a coffin inside). They opened his car, and placed mac in his coffin and shut the lid. And then it struck them what to do....

Macadamiaman, the vampire has been nailed shut inside his coffin and in lieu of flowers some nicely arranged bouquets of garlic.

Macadamiaman was once a pyschic working on behalf of the town who could ask a yes no question to the dead via the mod. He was recruited (bitten) by the vampires on night 1.

It is now night. Send your choices please.

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Mods note: I did not expect such a quick day. Well done to the town who has come better off this time. I am away unexpectedly for three-four days visiting Auckland city and wont likely have internet access, but the day will dawn the minute I get back. You have 4 days for choices.