Designer Mafia [Mafia win. Dissertations and end game stuff

[Werebear]

Originally posted by The Mod:

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HitchhikerII the illiterate priest has been murdered visciously and her jaw removed. Her investigation tray seemed empty, so somewhere, someone recieved valuable information before her death.

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My only information in the email was that I received the priest's investigation, and Trevize (sorry for the previous name typo) was evil. My only mistake was feeling bad that I hadn't checked my email earlier, and tried to post that I'd actually gotten the result a few RL days ago, very inadequately.

Now for my question - maybe when this day is over, the mod can please explain to me how an illiterate priest SENT the information to me, as that stumps me. Pictogram, maybe? mugshot?

[Vegtable2001]

Thats eneough for me. In the past the priest has been right in his/her investigations. I also don't think that Bear would try and pull something off this risky if it wasn't true. Vote Trevise

[Lucresia]

Umm...veg...
*cough*

[Trevize]

Thanks Lucresia!
Hey anyone have an insight (turned in this role) of what type of character has the ability to put aura of protection around another person.

[Vegtable2001]

BAH. If there is in fact some sort of pro town vigilante, please remove trevize tonight. Anyone else have any info they want to share?

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[Beartalon]

I know that Werebear investigated me on night one and Trevize last night. What did he learn the other two nights?

Where's the master vampire? No luck killing off the rest of them, which means there's more if he/she must choose a victim every night.

Random Excel Number Generation: Vote: Neo - if he can make that much sense when he's suppposedly incoherent, imagine if he was evil.

[MacadamiamaN]

I just re-read what amb posted in reply 159. I'm not dead! yay!

[Beartalon]

Vampires ARE UnDead, but you're not living either...I don't see anything in that post that says you were redeemed of vampirism or given your soul back. Unless you borrowed one from somewhere.

[Werebear]

I don't have investigative powers, 'Talon. That investigation was passed to my by the priest.

[chucky]

Now that's strange, Werebear. Because Beartalon said this:

[Vegtable2001]

Chucky, all that means is that Werebear used a night ability on Beartalon, and he/she was not harmed. Beartalon assumed this was an investigation. For BT to be mafia, he/she would have to have been recruited last night, as before that she exposed Gaspode as being the target of Macnut's night action. I sincerely doubt that the vampires would so unnecesarily sacrafice one of their own so readily, just to prove anothers innocence. On the other hand there is a chance it could be a ploy to do just that, though i doubt it.

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[Neo]

I'm just curious to see how many times Bearty can have reasons for a random vote

[Beartalon]

Neo: I make up the reasons after I get the random result - what I said is not really a reason.

Werebear & Chucky: My ability is to check someone's night choice - that is, I get the name of the target of your activity, but not your activity. That's how I knew Mac was lying about talking to Trevize, and we killed him and Gaspode died at night, both vampires, shortly thereafter. If I was vampiric, I wouldn't have said a word. It's up to me to reveal, and I've revealed all I've know. I'm pro-town.

Chucky: WereBear must be a doctor of some sort. Otherwise, I don't know. His power is not immunity-granting or otherwise deadly.

[Amb]

Discussion seems to have dried up. A time limit will be imposed if this does not improve.

[Neo]

[xer0x]

Just as a topic for discussion, I think we could look at why exactly Trevize has the mantle of immunity today.

Yesterday, Trevize came under scrutiny. Today our illiterate priest labels him evil. Why would anyone target him at night?

1) The mantle target is random. (Well, too bad.)
2) The mantle targeter got mind-controlled. (What, it can happen?)
3) The mantle targeter is deluded. (Bah.)
4) The mantle targeter is a member of the mafia (Unlikely -- or we would see mantled players being part of the Mafia. Or perhaps, they are.)

The point is that I don't see why any pro-town player (and indeed this ability seems very pro-town, and has been generally used in a pro-town way) would target Trevize for immunity pending an investigation's results.

Thoughts?

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The c0pied, against all definition, transcends the c0pier. Je pense donc je suis.

[Vegtable2001]

Ummm.... XeroX, the person that targetted him probably didn't know there was a result pending on him. Beartalon has already said that he didn't have a night choice last night or the one before. The mantle of immunity person could have assumed this meant he was innocent. It's if the mantle remains on Trevize that we should get suspicious.

[Beartalon]

Vegtable2001: I have never said anything about Trevize having a night choice. I have never examined his night choice. I've checked Werebear, MacadamiamaN, RSA and chucky in that order.

[Beartalon]

Everyone: C'mon people. Either you're interested in this game or not. It's been almost 5 full days since this mafia day began and there's only been a couple of votes.

It doesn't play itself. Are we going for another no-lunch day? The vampires would probably enjoy perpetual night...

[Werebear]

It's day 5. We *SHOULD* have some sort of cop information by this point, seeing as no apparent cop has died. (unless I'm mistaken about a role on the dead list) Whoever's doing investigations isn't talking, and we're stumbling around in the dark.

[Vegtable2001]

My mistake, i confused RSA with trevize.

[Beartalon]

Ok...

There were 23 players that started the game.
8 are dead innocents, 2 are innocent dead turned evil (vampires).
We've killed 2 mafia, and no original vampires.
If the game were divided equally between good and evil, that means there might be at most 12 innocents, so there at most 2 left.

Werebear's investigations don't hurt anyone, otherwise, I'd have been harmed on night one.
I'm pro-town. The MacadamiamaN event proves that.

Trevize has the mantle of immunity today, so whether or not he's good or bad, we can't do anything right now.

RSA and Chucky had (made) no night choice the nights I checked them. But my check only says what the target was that night. It might be possible for them to have not made choices those nights I investigated.

If the vampires can recruit one per night, but the main vampire group can now number at least 4 (first vampire + 5 victims - 2 dead victims) unless they don't have to recuit each night.

We've killed at least 2 mafia - there must be at least 2 or 3 more.

Conclusion: If the game was evenly divided good versus evil, almost everyone other than Werebear and myself must be EVIL. RSA and Chucky might also be innocent

FOS: Everyone Else

[Werebear]

Um, 'Talon? A basic 12-person game, there's 3-4 mafia.

[Vegtable2001]

I see you're point talon, however the town still has a hope. With any luck the mafia and the vampires and any other random sks will be working against eachother.

[Werebear]

(posting to see the post above)

[chucky]

RSA is dead.

[Amb]

Time limit instituted

72 Hours remain

[Amb]

Just so you realise, there are 2 effective cops dead. Porro the Hobo saw random night events and was more powerful than a cop. HitchhikerII was a priest who investigated and passed the information on. Whether there are more cops alive is yet to be seen. This is in response to a request to make role information clearer.

[Vegtable2001]

I'm tempted to vote werebear because for mass ignorance

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Flame Away

[Vegtable2001]

Wow, that last post is just another reason i need more sleep.

[Beartalon]

Thanks chucky - that's what I get for not using post preview.

Werebear - so how many in a 23 person game then? Are you saying there should be more? Then it just looks worse.

[Werebear]

I'll email you with what 'normal' mafia variants have.

[chucky]

Fine. Vote: Xer0x. Just a basic suspicion, and i dont want another no lynch day. So why not?

[Trevize]

well I have no clue of how this mantle of protection "thingy" was put on me, or why, just that it was a surprize to me because i think werebear is full of it. day almost over, my vote stays as is. I guess I can plea my case tomorrow <if i survive tonight>.

[Beartalon]

Super-FOS: Planky and Polotet for total silence so far this day (actually since the 22nd and the 24th of January respectively to be precise)

And vote - the rest of you. I've never seen a town so uncommitted to wiping out evil.

One vote each for Werebear, unless Vegtable unvoted him by trying to vote Trevize, one for Neo and one for xer0x. There's 7 more, a whole lynch's worth of unmade votes.

[Trevize]

Beartalon is right, lets get this day over with.
Unvote:Werebear
Vote: Planky

CHOO CHOOOOO... hop on board and lets get a quicky on this bandwagon!

[Polotet]

Agh, sorry. I keep reading and forgetting to post. I guess I'll Vote: Planky, at least until he talks.

[Beartalon]

Trevize, starting a bandwagon is tantamount to a death wish, based on yesterday

Oh well. If they aren't going to play, kill 'em. There's a high percentage he's scum.

Unvote: Neo
Vote: Planky

[chucky]

Eh.

Unvote: Xer0x, Vote: Planky

[Amb]

24 hours remain.