Mini Game Q1: TOWN WINS!

[Vegtable2001]

I was at werebears house. I see his body, then i hear/see a black car drive away.

[Vegtable2001]

I'll start the day off by Voting Polotet HH, wouldn't have claimed to be mason with you if you were going to deny it. You held off from speaking, and i assume you'l say you did not have time to post. Make a semi plausible arguement at least.

[Amb]

My thoughts exactly. When I saw the death of HH a few days ago I started wondering on that and it will fester in mind until I have answers

Vote Polotet

[MacadamiamaN]

Vote: Polotet.

No question he is one of the Vergondi.

[Polotet]

Wait! What Hitchhiker said was the truth. I am a Mafia member, as she was. BUT! In this game, the mafia members are good. We were basically a pro-town mason group. I know this is difficult to believe, but it's true. I have not made a single night choice in the game. I don't know who is evil in this game. All I know is that I am good. If there's anything I can say or do to prove this, I will. Please, think about it.

[Bear Skin Rug]

Waaaaahhhhh!

[MacadamiamaN]

This may hold some grounds. However you haven't convinced me. Is there anything you can expand on? Like if you targetted Werebear?

[Robinson]

Interlude

Aha! Mafia!

Harmless Mafia, sire.

Scum killing evil worthless Mafia!

He doesn't do anything at night, sire, and-

Die Mafia die! Die die die!

Sire, calm down. You can't lynch him. The rest of the characters have to. And they don't *have* to.

Role List Updated

Polotet - Harmless Mafia, Really.
TANSTAAFL - Encyclopedia Saleswoman
Vegtable2001 - Dancer

Let me do the count. Lynch him! Lynch him! Oh, I love this story!

Polotet: 3 (Vegtable2001, amb, MacadamiamaN)

[Vegtable2001]

Polotet, i'm pretty sure you're bullshitting. Not even Querc is twisted eneough to throw in a pro town mafia.

[MacadamiamaN]

Who is Bear Skin Rug, and why did he say Whaaaaa!

[Robinson]

Who in the blazes is "Bear Skin Rug?"

What do you get when you kill a bear, sire?

Oh. Aha. Clever.

[MacadamiamaN]

[TANSTAAFL]

hmmmm... I don't think its that farfetched of an idea. Otherwise, why would they come out on the second day as a mason group? That would just guarantee that if one died so would the other. I was thinking about it... and I reread my emails. The first night, when Trevize died, I assumed it was the mafia that killed him. It didn't say that was what happened. And Hitch wasn't lying about them having knives, when the killings were done with guns. Somehow, even though we are supposed to put the pieces of this puzzle together, each piece seems to confuse me more. I suppose we could lynch Polotet and see if there are any more killings, but that would have us going in to the end game knowing very little. I don't really see too many other options right now. I want to look at this some more before I vote. And Polotet is only one vote from lynching right now.

[Polotet]

I didn't check my email until after posting that, and there has now been a slight modification of my role. Because of my anger at HH's death, I can kill one person per night if I want to, like a vigilante. I will kill, if I kill, with my knife, as I have no gun. I remain pro-town. I'm not sure if this will help me, but I think being honest is my only choice.

Macnut- I told you, I haven't targeted anyone. I didn't even have an ability before today. As far as I know, Hitchhiker didn't target anyone either.

Also, think about this- if HH and I were really evil mafia together, would she have risked associating herself with me when she was near lynching? I doubt it.

[Gaspode]

I agree with TANSTAAFL. I doubt that Polotet and Hitchhiker would be stupid enough to claim to be masons and draw attention to each other. If they really were a harmful mafia, they wouldn't be so bold. Plus, notice how much Robinson emphasized that the killers were the Vegondi mafia in his morning posts. He said things like "Clearly this was the work of the Vegondi mafia", and we know we can't necessarily trust him. Mods of normal games don't need to say things like this, because everyone "knows" that the killers were mafia.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Gaspode]

Oops, simu-post. I realize Polotet said some of the same things as me, but I hadn't seen his post when I wrote it. I still agree with Tanst though.

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You can't lose if you win.

[TANSTAAFL]

Vegtable: just a quick question, from what I understood of your role you can choose whether or not to go out dancing each night. Why would you be dancing at Werebear's house?

[Vegtable2001]

I was trying to see whether he was telling the truth about his role or something. From what i gather i just partially witness a random night event. Each killer has certain clues. One killer drives a black car, as can be seen by my info. I'm still pretty damn suspicious because the killer last night used a car, and HH claimed to own a car. Also, how do we know HH wasn't lying about them having knives?

[MacadamiamaN]

I have information which coincides with a small part of Polotet's post, from my last email:

Polotet was indeed very angry after the lynching of his Vegondi Mafia mate, Hitchhiker. This new night ability gained by Polotet because of his extreme anger may actually be true, but why the hell would he gain such an ability??

If we have a killer among us, Polotet and whatever the benefit gained by killing someone is very useless, unless there is some special scenario that I don't know abuot...

Polotet and Hitchhiker were indeed mafia, however; part of the Vegondi Mafia, if there is any confusion. Unless there is a third member, I still think that lynching Polotet would benefit the town. I think he is hiding something, as well. You have no idea how confused I am, but these are just my assumptions/observations.

Planky hasn't posted for a while, but he has posted elsewhere today...

[Planky]

Whoops, forgot about being in Minigame for a while there, as maca points out my absence.

Well last night I ended up at polotet's house, for reasons only quercitron knows, and all I saw was a figure sitting on a bed tossing something between his hands. The format of the email doesnt give me a helluva lot of info besides that. sheesh

[Polotet]

I can choose not to kill. Unless the town agrees that I should kill someone, which I doubt will happen, I will choose not to kill. Killing me will certainly not benefit the town, and will hurt it, if only because there is one less innocent alive. I am hiding nothing. If you have any other questions, ask away. However, please do not kill me.

[Amb]

I simply cannot believe the stupidity of this town. A good mafia? There may be a puzzle afoot here, but it is surely not that inept.

Confirm vote Polotet

Sire, I tell you to strike that role from your list, he is lying! He has to be.

[Vegtable2001]

/agree We don't even know that the game really is twisted at all. I cannot think of why the Vegondi mafia would be innocent. Perhaps querc told you why you moved to this town or something in your first email? Give us a plausible reason.

[Polotet]

Ever read Bladerunner? Backwards Mafia? Mafia members have been good before. The only reason I have for coming to this town is that we were pushed out of big cities by bigger families with guns. I know this sounds unbelieveable, but think about it. Why would HH associate herself with me? Why does Robinson emphasize that the mafia are guilty so much? Have you ever before seen it mentioned specifically and explicitly in the rules that the Mafia are the bad guys? I haven't. (Note that Quercitron says "Here's the short version of the story as Robinson told it," so there's no guarantee he's telling the truth there.

[Amb]

Originally posted by Querci:

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A killer.

Yes. The Town had at this time successfully lynched one of the killers.

You are not fooling me, Robinson? This is not some twist?

I have just told you the complete truth, sire.

Then the Town must have rejoiced, Robinson!

Briefly. The knowledge that Death would claim another of them in the Night prevented a great celebration.

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Explain how im misreading this please Polotet. So are you saying HH wasnt evil. Then maybe Trevize wasnt a cop either. The only way Im believing this claim is if we have some kind of necromancer that can communicate with the dead, and then we lynch you anyway and if evil, lynch the lying necromancer.

[Amb]

And now for the final nail in your coffin

Originally posted by Q:

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Trevize (Cop) - killed by the Vegondi Mafia, Night 1.
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MatthewV (Townie) - killed by the Vegondi Mafia, Night 2.
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Werebear (Gunsmith) - killed by the Vegondi Mafia, Night 3.

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Originally posted by Q:

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Now, I realize some of you might not trust Robinson, or me acting as Robinson, and one person has asked this already. I won't say much, but I will say Hitchhiker was definitely a member of the Vegondi Mafia. Oh, but it's nighttime.
Sweet dreams.

querci.

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(emphasis mine)

Sorry Polotet you got caught by your mafia partners inept playing.

Confirm confirm vote. How much more obvious does it need to be.

[Amb]

We are entitled to believe Querci.

[TANSTAAFL]

vote: polotet I always forget to check the first post by the mod for info like that. We'll see tonight what this brings, but the final nail in the coffin definitely swayed my vote.

[Polotet]

*Sigh*. All Quercitron said was that she was Vegondi Mafia, which I am also, as I have admitted. And it was Robinson who said those people were killed by the Mafia, who I've already said is lying about us. I don't even have a gun! You're not misreading, amb. Robinson is a dirty liar. And either you're too stupid to understand it or you're the real scum, purposely ignoring it. Stupid town. Please, if you gain any reason to believe me at my lynching or over night (and there will still be a kill tomorrow morning) lynch amb tomorrow.

[Polotet]

Sorry for the double post, but I want to say you should especially lynch him because two of the three quotes he used, and claimed were from Quercitron (the two most damning ones), were actually from Robinson. If that's not purposely misleading the town I don't know what is, especially since he ended with "We are entitled to believe Querci." The only thing actually said by Quercitron was that HH was Vegondi. Which I have admitted she was and I am. What blatant scum playing, amb.

[Vegtable2001]

Amb dosn't have a gun Polotet. Don't you listen? That's an omgus vote if i have ever heard one. You're only other defense seems to be "bladerunner style mafia!" and "would HH really have been so stupid as to associate herself with me?" We really don't have that much info leading us to believe this is bladerunner style mafia when it comes down to it, and HH may very well have thought she could save both of you by making that role claim.

[MacadamiamaN]

That is misleading.. I couldn't find the quotes, and I guess that's why. I hate Robinson. He's messing this entire thing up, I always think I should trust him, because his arguments make sense, but like Polotet said, he's obviously a liar.

Hitchhiker was very convinced that she was a mason, and that's confusing the hell out of me. I came very close to unvoting her that night, but I'm glad that I didn't at the last moment, because she was a Vegondi Mafia. I don't want to regret unvoting another Vegondi now. If he is part of the town, and there is indeed another killing tonight, I'll have no idea what to say tomorrow. I hope it's not Robinson doing the killing. Bah

[Polotet]

1: I didn't even vote.
2: He could be some form of scum with no gun. Are you claiming that isn't deliberately misleading? Maybe only one member of the evil group has a gun. Maybe it's you. FOS: Veg2001

[Vegtable2001]

Bah, fine, how about an OMGUS FOS then?

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Flame Away

[Robinson]

Night 4.

Ha ha! Lynch the Mafia, lynch the Mafia!

Polotet watched in despair as the mob closed in on him.

This is the best part! Can they shoot him in the knees? Maybe they can slowly torture him! Do to him what he did to-

Sire! With all due respect!

Right, right, I'll control myself. Continue, Robinson.

Finally deciding on a course of action, Polotet ran ahead of the Town to the makeshift gallows and tore off his coat, flinging it at the ground. "I'm innocent! I never hurt anyone in my life! I don't know who the real killers are, but I'm not one of them! You have to believe me!" It was clear the crowd did not. As they reached toward him menacingly, he pulled a knife out of his belt and stabbed himself in the heart in one fluid motion, sagging forward.

What was in his coat?

Papers from New York City, a wallet with a picture of Hitchhiker, a-

Ha! Mafia!

Yes, sire. One of the Vegondi Mafia. I rarely lie about the nature of the dead. There is little reason.

Ha! A most excellent story, bard Robinson.

It's not over, sire. The Town searched Polotet's house, wary, keeping their eyes open.

So they searched his house. So what?

They did not find a gun.

IT IS NOW NIGHT 4. SEND CHOICES IF YOU HAVE THEM. NO TALKING.

[This message has been edited by Robinson (edited 02-07-2003 07:09 PM).]

[quercitron]

And now, a summary of what Robinson has said, and what I have said.

ROBINSON:

Trust me. This is a story. As part of the story, a death happens every night. I don't know who, and I don't know how the story ends. I'm telling the story. It's about the Vegondi Mafia. Ruthless killers. Ordinary men. Ordinary women. There are no Doctors here. You can't trust me. Trevize died first Night. He was a Cop. You saw his police car. Must have been the Vegondi Mafia; they're evil. Some of you saw things. Some of you are evil. Day 1 you lynched jesternl. He was a Townsperson. Tattoo of a blade on his arm. Then MatthewV died. Also a Townsperson. Had to be the Mafia. TANSTAAFL sells encyclopedias. You can't kill me. Vegtable2001 dances. Polotet's a Mason. Werebear's a Gunsmith. Hitchhiker's a Mason. You lynched Hitchhiker. Saw a gun on her body. Searched her house, it's obvious she's Mafia. Werebear died. Shot through the heart. Mafia again. Polotet's harmless. Never killed anyone. You lynched Polotet. Vegondi Mafia. No gun.

QUERCITRON:

You're playing a Mafia game with 12 people. Hitch and Polo were Mafia, Trev was a Cop, Werebear a Gunsmith, MatthewV and jesternl members of this Town. Don't trust Robinson, even though he tells the truth, if twisted or hidden, most of the time. However, Robinson is not speaking from an omniscient Moderator standpoint, and HE HAS HIS OWN OBJECTIVE, which is NOT NECESSARILY YOURS.

[Robinson]

Day 4.

Bah, there are more Mafia?

Let me continue, sire.

Robinson, it is only because of the greatness of your story that I care at all. Be honored.

That I am. TANSTAAFL was the fourth night's victim. Shot twice.

Clearly the work of the Vegondi Mafia.

You said it, sire...she was indeed an Encyclopedia Saleswoman.

Great.

IT IS NOW DAY 4. CHECK YOUR EMAILS BEFORE POSTING. THREE TO LYNCH.

[quercitron]

I will confirm that TANSTAAFL's role included, among other things, the sale of encyclopedias.

[MacadamiamaN]

I'm so utterly confused right now.

Anyway, I saw Amb last night. I think I can safely conclude that, although odd, he is not part of the Vegondi Mafia.

Based on prior information, I can also safely conclude that Veg is not part of the Vegondi.

Planky seeems innocent, though not beyond a reasonable doubt.

Gaspode seems... well, I think I forgot he's in this game.

FOS: Gaspode.

[Amb]

Well this could prove to be interesting.

Im a pyschic. I can charge up each night, or investigate. Charging up makes me immune to being killed in most ways. (but I assume not all by Q's role wording). Investigating seems to let me see from above OR through someones eyes.

Vegtable took a gun last night, and went in search of TANSTAAFL. He aimed the gun at her, but then seemed to have second thoughts or doubts over whether he should be doing this. The scene switched to TANSTAAFL's eyes - no explanation as to why this happened - I was unleashing on vegtable. She felt the bullets rip into her, and at least one of the bullets came from someone she didnt see. But she clearly saw Vegt standing there with the gun and the trigger pulled as she died.

I can only assume that Vegtable2001 shot the first of the two bullets. But the question remains was he acting as a vigilante? I doubt it, but even if he is - who wants a vigilante killing players that Ive been trying to say was proven innocent.

Vote Vegtable2001

I discount the possibility that vegt was there to kill the other killer, because the killer didnt die and TAN had 2 bullets in her. If the scene had said shot once this morning.

The other possibility is that vegt fired at the killer, and the killer shot TAN twice. By ironic fluke a doctor may have protected the killer.... This is possible, but unlikely.

anything anyone want to add?

Amb