Mini Game Q1: TOWN WINS!

[Robinson]

Hitman?

Yes, it appears he's missing, sire. Something about getting plastic surgery done, with a new life.

Right. So it's...

Planky: 3 (TANSTAAFL, Hitchhiker, Werebear)
Vegtable2001: 1 (Planky)

Exactly.

[Hitchhiker]

Just checking in. I'm sorry I haven't been around, but I was at the MIT Mystery Hunt 2003 and I really didn't expect it to last four days. Oops.

Unvote: Planky for now. We need to figure out what is really going on in this mafia game, and we need to have more communication in this town to do that.

[quercitron]

REPLACEMENT FOUND

That's odd. Everywhere it said Hitman, it now says MacadamiamaN.

[This message has been edited by quercitron (edited 01-20-2003 10:00 PM).]

[MacadamiamaN]

Hello, everyone. No, I didn't kill Hitman

[Amb]

Robinson - is macadamia confessing to killing someone else by stating that it wasnt Hitman he killed

[TANSTAAFL]

everyone says that we should share more information to figure out what is going on, but so far I am the only one to have done so. My vote is staying where it is for now.

[MacadamiamaN]

I suppose this is necessary.

FOS: TANSTAAFL

[MacadamiamaN]

I feel like doing this. TANSTAAFL confused me very much as I'm reading through the past events.


-Random Vote: Planky (reply 12)

-Changes vote to Jesternl (reply 18) -
for not reading the set up correctly... "no doctor" thing. accuses Jest. of trying to distract us.

-Makes role claim (reply 39) -
seems overly defensive. why a role claim? The claim seems to fit, however. Asks Amb what he was doing last night, how did he know she was being followed. Amb seems to have an investigative role...

-Wants to know, again - how amb knows why she was followed... (reply 41)

-Changes vote to planky (reply 54) -
I think she knows something about planky. Anyway, she votes planky because he's one of the quiet ones: "well, out of the fairly silent ones, i'm going to vote: planky"

-Then, says that she voted planky because he voted for a talkative persn. (reply 65) -
am i the only one confused by this? TANSTAAFL's explanation, that we need to "foster" discussion, seems odd.

-Then, TANSTAAFL tries to get planky to make a role claim (reply 71) -
she can't have cop abilities, or else she would have already checked him.. she's voted for him on/off twice now.

-Now, trying to get everybody to give out information on themselves. (reply 86) -
Using the excuse, "so far I am the only one to have done so".

Feel lonely, TANSTAAFL? You made that role claim out of the blue. Then you tried to get planky to make a role claim. Now, you're trying to get us all to either share information or make role claims, or whatever.

TANSTAAFL can't be cop or doc. I don't think she's mafia. But, I think she can be potentially harmful. I just hope tonight, that harm isn't directed at me.

[Vegtable2001]

*Boggles at Macnut's AMB style post*

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[Planky]

Heh - i thought that was Amb posting

Unless TANSTAAFL is Mafia I dont see how she sees me as a threat

[Robinson]

Robinson. Is MacadamiamaN confessing to killing someone else by stating that it wasn't Hitman he killed?

He seems shocked at the very idea, sire. Would I be that obvious?

Just a thought.

Planky: 2 (TANSTAAFL, Werebear)
Vegtable2001: 1 (Planky)

[Planky]

What do you mean "Would I be that obvious?"

*Looks at Robinson suspiciously

Somehow I doubt Mac would be posting as Robinson...

[quercitron]

Robinson will answer questions asked him within the framework of the story.

[Hitchhiker]

That was eloquent, Mac. Still, it's likely that TANSTAAFL is as confused as the rest of us -- and our helpful narrator has confirmed that she's an encyclopedia saleswoman. From what I know of encyclopedia salespersons, they're annoying and persistent, but not deadly.

I'm wondering: what should we do if we suspect that the real murderer is Robinson or the sire, or someone else totally outside of our control, as amb suggested? Calling a no-lynch day is one possibility, but that might not stop the killings. There's definitely something fishy in this town. More than usual, I mean.

[Amb]

FOS Mac

Why? Tanstaafl didnt needlessly claim anything.... She was responding to my post.

I think HH is right. No lynch wont harm us too much - but I will not have any extra information in the morning. In other words, if the no lynch is dependant on me bringing more information it isnt going to happen.

Vote No lynch

This game I suspect from TANSTAAFL's role has no townies, and thus no player without a night choice. This means while deaths may occur overnight, we run a higher chance of getting valid info out from the remaining players....

If we lynch randomly and it will be random then we run too big a risk of losing pieces to the puzzle. However no lynch has its risks, and we cannot draw out too long waiting for puzzles to solve themselves.

The roles themselves may figure into the puzzle. Has anyone thought how unusual the role of encyclopaedia salesman actually is for 'mafia'. Next there will be a bus driver, a barber and an origami expert... What does the encyclopaedia salesman actually achieve when they pick someone to sell to at night. What happens if you buy her Encyclopaedias?

Robinson - Can I please buy an encyclopaedia that I might use it to look things up in... Or must I buy it from Tanstaafl?

Tanstaafl - may I buy an encyclopaedia - what will you charge? What benefit is there... DO not respond to this if your role is weakened too much by the information...

[Vegtable2001]

Hitchhiker, we can't trust anything robinson says.

[Vegtable2001]

Bah, Took too long to post.

[Amb]

Robinson - Are you completely trustworthy? Now the GL logicians should get to work.... Its the truthteller puzzle with only one person....

[Amb]

quote:

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I'm telling a story. Stories, like all other things, are bound by rules, even a fantasy story like this one. Can you trust me? Probably not. Can you trust quercitron? Absolutely. But trust isn't the issue with the rules; that's duty, responsibility.

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That answers my question. Dont trust Robinson. Bah!

[MacadamiamaN]

I'm very very confused. Who is this shizophrenic Robinson? Why is he here? Why is he putting things into our mafia game that aren't verified to be true? Quercitron is the mod, right? Is Robinson the name that he's using to talk to us?

Though I'm certain that Tanstaafl has something of concern,

Vote: No Lynch

Tasta's role claim did come by her own defense, however. Amb said that he would vote her if she was in on the kill, then *poof!* an in-depth role claim, complete with a narrative and everything 4 posts later. How convinient.

[MacadamiamaN]

oh, and, amb, i noticed your title. about 6 months ago I made this signature and used it a few times

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Ban the ??? !

[Amb]

Then is this true too

quote:

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Ordinary men. No miracle healers here, no men with superhuman strength, no women whose eyes see right through you. And everyone, even in this fear, lives together, fairly peacefully.

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Maybe, maybe not... Since we cant trust Robinson, maybe we have all of these things....

[Gaspode]

Why are we all voting no lynch? I can see that we don't know who to kill, but that hasn't stopped a lynch before. Now, if there's some logical reason, I'll go right along with it, but I really have no idea what it is right now.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Vegtable2001]

People feel that the game is made in such a way that there may not be any real scum. Thats what i've gathered.

[MacadamiamaN]

I went for no lynch because of what amb said about the puzzle pieces. For now, in my opinion, those pieces are needed.

[Gaspode]

Good point. Maybe we should wait to figure out the puzzle. Since there's no better option, vote: No Lynch

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You can't lose if you win.

[quercitron]

It may be time for a bit of explanation.

You can trust me. I'm the Moderator. You cannot necessarily trust Robinson. He is telling the story in a manner that does not presume omniscient knowledge. For one thing, he is more than happy to let the players tell the story. Were 'Bob' to claim the role of Angry God, saying that she could win at any time by smiting all the players but was merely an observer for the time, waiting to see how the foolish humans talked and debated, Robinson's posts would reflect that claim by upholding Bob's belief (Robinson might not take it seriously - it's a fairly hard claim to take seriously, both in a Mafia game and real life, and we have already said there are no miracles here - but he would confirm it within the story.)

Who is Robinson? A narrator.
Why is he here? To tell a story.
Can he lie? Yes. Both as a result of not being omniscient within the story, (this leads to contradicting himself at times, which I indicated in the summary of his first post,) and as a result of having an idea of how he wants that story to turn out.

[Robinson]

So she sells encyclopaedias.

Yes, sire.

I've never met an encyclopaedia saleswoman. How does one buy one?

I assume she sells them to one, sire. Probably at night, or as the day turns into night. Saleswomen are pesky creatures, and they come when you least expect them. How else would they work?

Perhaps she doesn't sell them at all unless she is approached.

That could also be true, sire.

Or she doesn't sell them at all. I don't like this saleswoman, Robinson. She seems...untrustworthy. Useless.

Take her for as she is, or for more than who she is, sire; she can only be who she is allowed to be, like all people.

Your philosophy aggravates me, Robinson. The-

-dark country. Rest easy, sire, and let me continue.

Hmmm. Robinson?

Yes, sire?

Are you completely trustworthy?

Do you not trust your bard as you trust no other person, sire? Many are the times I could have killed you and fled the kingdom while your guards slept or drank the night away.

I meant the story, Robinson.

Listen.

Nolynch: 3 (amb, MacadamiamaN, Gaspode)
Planky: 2 (TANSTAAFL, Werebear)
Vegtable2001: 1 (Planky)

[Vegtable2001]

I don't see how these clues can lead us anywhere though. Until we can link these clues to a person, i don't think we can make any headway through this.

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[Werebear]

Unvote: Planky Vote: Robinson

[quercitron]

Votes for Robinson will not be tallied. Without Robinson, there is no story and you all die.

[Vegtable2001]

BANDWAGON! Vote Robinson

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Thats my opinion.... I probably don't care about yours

[Robinson]

Ha.

[Polotet]

Vote: The Prince. I've never liked royalty.

Prepares to be struck down.

[quercitron]

*Strikes down Polotet.*

Neither Robinson nor his Lord are responsible for the killings. Robinson is a part of the 'puzzle' in that he is not speaking from an omniscient standpoint, but even if you could lynch either one of them it would do nothing for your present situation.

Votes after this post for Robinson or his Lord will be registered as votes for nolynch.

[This message has been edited by quercitron (edited 01-22-2003 11:49 PM).]

[MacadamiamaN]

For the record.

Unvote: No Lynch

Vote: Robinson

[Werebear]

Unvote: Robinson

[MacadamiamaN]

I think we're bringing this too far.

Just ignore the things that Robinson says - he's like the misunderstood homeless schizo that you see reciting prophecies on the side of the street all day.

If we choose to translate what he says, we'll be getting off track.

I voted "no lynch" on the basis that we needed certain pieces of the puzzle, however i now realize that such a decision was too simple and cowardly. There are certain pieces that need to be left out. We need to piece together all of the parts of the puzzle - there is a story line and all of us were given parts of it from our own perspective. I'll post my perspective when I get home, later today, I've decided.

Unvote: No Lynch/Robinson

[Polotet]

Ok, then. Unvote: The Prince. Hmm...

[MacadamiamaN]

We all have clues of some sort.

Since I can't quote, i'll paraphrase:

I see someone following MathewV during the night, by foot, and they turn into a dark alleyway.