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Robinson
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 8:42 pm Post subject: 281 |
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Interlude
He's a what?
A psychic. He can see into people's minds.
Oh really? What am I thinking?
You're not in the story, sire.
Eh? What am I thinking, Robinson?
You're thinking there's no way I can possibly be psychic, and wondering what I'm going to come up with in response to your stupid question, sire.
Damn.
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amb - Psychic
Vegtable2001 - Dancer
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 8:59 pm Post subject: 282 |
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I'll give you my telling of events. I was following Tanstaafl. Finally i decide to approach her. I draw my gun just in case, and ask her if she is mafia. She shouts No, and then i am hit over the head and wake up only in time to meet the rest of the town. I'm starting to think Querci wants me dead First he tells planky I am sneaking around with a gun, then he tells you about this. The fact that you have this information would in other circumstances make you innocent, however, here there is clear evidence that there was another party involved. For now FOS AMB and Gaspode I am almost certain of everyone elses innocence. |
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MacadamiamaN
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject: 283 |
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I was at Amb's house yesterday. Amb knows I was there.
Based on his actions, I guessed that he was some sort of person that talks to the dead or something. A psychic could make sense.
What was suspicious, however, is that he acted drunk, pushed me off of his doorstep, and shut his curtains when he noticed that I saw what he was doing inside (some sort of wicca ceremony or something) - where he was clearly sober.
Amb's story makes sense.
Since I was at his house, and I know that Amb was at his house, there are 3 people left that could have shot Tanstaafl, assuming it's not querci: Gaspode, Veg, and Planky.
2 of these people shot Tanstaafl, assuming that "shot twice" indicates Tanstaafl was shot by two different people. Assuming Veg's story is true, then that leaves Gaspode and Planky. Out of these two people, Gaspode hasn't given ONE OUNCE of useful information. EVERYONE gets information, this is a story-based game; everyone gets their own version of what happened... I'm going to wait until Gaspode posts before I decide to vote him or not. |
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Planky
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: 284 |
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Now this is odd, according to the info I got last night, Vegt2001 shot TANSTAAFL twice which others have said she was shot the second time by someone else. First I hear Vegt asking Tanstaafl whether she is mafia, then I hear a higher voice (Im assuming TANSTAAFL) saying something along the lines of "Im not mafia, I wish this was over" then a darker voice saying ok then, and after that, tanstaafl is shot twice.
Seems to me that Vegt2001 was being controlled in some way or another, as thats the only explanation I can come up with that fits with the infomation I was given last night. |
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MacadamiamaN
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:00 pm Post subject: 285 |
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This makes perfect sense! That is why Amb was being so secretive about her actions when i went to her house, why she tried to disguise what she was doing, why she closed the curtains, etc...
Amb was doing a ritual around a pentagram, with candles and the such. She must be a satanist of some type, or something. I'm much less confused now.
I think that, based on Planky's hypothesis, Amb has the powers to control other people within the game, perhaps only Veg, perhaps anyone, without them knowing. SUPER FOS: Amb |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:09 pm Post subject: 286 |
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This also goes to explain the guns. Werebear kept a gun at home, and yet he was at home when he was killed. They clearly are not for protection. I have a nagging feeling i also might be responsible for Werebears death, through amb's control. Vote AMB The mind controlling satanist.
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:17 pm Post subject: 287 |
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| Forgot to mention this. This is also probably why i have the option of going out, or not going out. If i stay home i bet i'm safe from his mind control. I suggest anyone with a gun stay home if he is not lynched today. |
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Planky
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:30 pm Post subject: 288 |
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Maca, amb is male.
BIG ASS FOS: AMB for obvious reasons and Minor FOS Vegt2001 because there were two shots, I believe amb controlled one of those shots, but to shoot her twice would accomplish nothing, which would mean you shot her yourself without anyone controlling you, seems abit scummy to me. |
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Planky
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject: 289 |
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Or at least someone else did anyway.
I'd also like to hear from Gaspode, a little quiet if you ask me |
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Amb
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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 8:37 am Post subject: 290 |
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Mac that was idiotic thing to claim
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| I was at Amb's house yesterday. Amb knows I was there. |
Im not aware of it. If you were at my house you were invading and secretly.
anyway....
Vegt being knocked out tends to make sense right up till the scene of TAN seeing vegt shoot her, but for reasons i didnt know the scene shifted to see through tans eyes and I presume that is when Vegt was knocked out. I did see Vegt fire the gun through TAN's eyes but maybe it was a hallucination caused by death.
Unvote vegtable2001
There was ONE other thing I saw. It seemed the whole town met together in this place last night where TANSTAAFL died. The phrasing of the line which says this makes it hard to determine what the mod meant, but that is how Im taking it for now. In other words our puzzle is to piece the images together and form our clues that way. But as an evil jigsaw we will have 1 extra piece. The evil mafia who was also there....
Vegt I assure you I am who I say I am, and tonight I will need to charge and see if we cant just seal this up totally. |
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MacadamiamaN
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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 4:24 pm Post subject: 291 |
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According to my email, I arrived at your doorstep, you acted like you were a drunk, you pushed me off the doorstep, slammed the door shut, and proceeded to do your sacred rituals or something.
Now, you were acting secretive in that when you went over to your pentagram and candle configuration, you were completely sober. You were definetely hiding something, because you also shut the curtains when you saw that I had looked back.
There's no way you didn't see me, we talked, made physical contact, etc...
I want to see Gaspode talk. Does it not seem the least bit suspicious that throughout the entire game, he has not contributed anything? |
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Robinson
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:10 am Post subject: 292 |
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Ooh, Satanists. Exciting.
I haven't said he's a Satanist, sire.
You haven't said he's not, Robinson. Here's a count for you, to prove I've been following along:
amb: 1 (Vegtable2001)
Excellent, sire.
Now keep going.
Well, they kept discussing and talking...
Come on, people. There's a wealth of information out there. |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:03 am Post subject: 293 |
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| Not just satanists; mind controlling satanists. Even more exciting! I'm fairly sure i've seen gaspode posting in other games, which makes this more suspicious, however, regardless of Gaspode's role, i think amb constitutes the largest threat at this point in the game. If my previous assumptions are true, amb is deffinitly capable of making a kill tonight, something we cannot say for certain about gaspode. It's the only explanation i can see to explain the existence of guns, and my choice of either going out, or not going out. |
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Gaspode
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:02 am Post subject: 294 |
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Don't lynch me. I don't have time to read through the game tonight, all I saw were your FOS's. I'll be back tomorrow to figure out what's going on.
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Gaspode
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:49 pm Post subject: 295 |
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Well, I believe some people have mentioned my silence. The reasons for that were simple--after my post yesterday (about believing HH and 'Tet) I really didn't see any real need to post (I had said what I wanted to say already, and my opinion didn't change). As for today, I was very busy over the weekend, and the day only started on Thursday or Friday.
I actually do have some useful info today. I see no need to reveal my exact role yet, but I will tell you what I saw last night. As I was jogging down the road, I saw two figures standing under a streetlight. I heard one of them (I'm assuming it's veg) ask the other if he/she was mafia (probably Tan). I bent down to tie my shoe and heard Tan saying that she was not scum, and that she just wanted "this" to be over. I then heard two shots. I looked up, saw both of the original figures fall to the ground, and saw another figure run into an alleyway.I tried to follow this figure, but I was too slow--he/she had disappeared.
Obviously, Quercitron didn't want me to know who it was that shot Tan. (This makes sense, since amb really doesn't know either.) It seems like amb could be telling the truth after all, so no vote from me yet.
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Gaspode
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:50 pm Post subject: 296 |
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Btw, Veg, why were you following/pointing your gun at Tanstaafl?
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:02 pm Post subject: 297 |
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| I was following her because i was suspicious of her, and i had my gun drawn just in case. Also, AMB what other information have you gathered? |
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Planky
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:05 pm Post subject: 298 |
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Well someone is lying, as my email says vegt shot her twice, and there was no one else around. I tend to believe that Vegt2001 went out that night to kill tan, managed to shoot her, then have Amb take control over him, and shoot her.
Another thought, that person you saw running away could have been me, as I was watching the incident and ran off home when tan got shot twice. |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:08 am Post subject: 299 |
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If i was going to shoot Tanstaafl why would i ask her if she was mafia? I couldn't quite tell from you're summary planky, did it sound like before the gunshots the tone of my voice changed? I know Querci made an emphasis on the voices in you're email, and i'm wondering why. Also, assuming that planky and macnut are innocent, that leaves me and Gaspode as wild cards, however, there is almost no plausible way i can see that Macnut's information is ambiguous to any extent. Either AMB was doing something around a pentagram, or macnut is lying. Seeing as i trust macnut a hell of alot more than AMB, i think it makes sense to lynch him (amb that is). Will anyone argue in favor of Amb in this case? Lets assume there are 2 scum left, one of whom is amb. We lynch amb now, theres a nightkill, and then it's a 2 goods vs. 1 evil situation. At that point we would have more information with which to go on, and probably make a better decision. Hope this makes sense, not eneough time to proofread.
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quercitron
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:40 am Post subject: 300 |
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amb: 1 (Vegtable2001)
Undecided: amb, Gaspode, MacadamiamaN, Planky. |
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Planky
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:02 am Post subject: 301 |
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| I just reread the email, vegt asks tan if she is mafia, A higher voice says I want this to be over (no doubt that being tan) then a darker voice saying Very Well, then it states that I see you fire the gun, twice, and I watch Tan crumple to the ground, thats when I high tailed it out of there - which you saw me do. |
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MacadamiamaN
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:19 am Post subject: 302 |
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| Higher voice, meaning in pitch? Could it mean higher, meaning "godly" or something? |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:21 am Post subject: 303 |
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| Is there any indication about what my original voice sounded like? Macnut, i doubt it. |
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Planky
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 5:21 am Post subject: 304 |
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| Higher voice, meaning in pitch? Could it mean higher, meaning "godly" or something? |
The email didnt elaborate on that, just higher and darker.
Vegt: Your voice was quiet but hearable. When you asked Tan if she was mafia there was a pause in your sentence such as Are you...Are you Mafia? |
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Gaspode
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 10:13 pm Post subject: 305 |
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Yes, Veg, you talked in a low voice (that probably means quiet, like Planky said, because you paused and seemed a bit uncertain). The email did not specify anything about Tan's pitch.
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MacadamiamaN
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 10:24 pm Post subject: 306 |
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I think the two shots were:
1 from amb via Veg
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1 from the person who hit Veg (?)
The reason I say none are from Vegtable himself, is because I tend to trust his role claim and his non-scuminess via my observations in the thread so far...
I think enough time has passed for amb to defend himself. He's clearly up to something with the satanist acts I saw and his actions toward me last night, as well as his inability to explain them. He's definetely hiding something, but it doesn't matter, and I don't want to pry it from him.
Vote: amb
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Gaspode
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 10:31 pm Post subject: 307 |
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Amb, tell us what you're hiding, so we don't have to rush-lynch you without any more information. Otherwise, I might end this day.
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Robinson
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 10:59 pm Post subject: 308 |
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I can feel the tension...it's like this:
amb: 2 (Vegtable2001, MacadamiamaN)
Undecided: amb, Gaspode, Planky |
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MacadamiamaN
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 4:28 pm Post subject: 309 |
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| Amb has posted elsewhere. I think he is purposefully staying away from this game... |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:48 pm Post subject: 310 |
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Same, I also saw him online recently. It's not like amb to miss a mafia game.
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Amb
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:56 pm Post subject: 311 |
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No its not like me at all I was too busy concentrating on GME
Im a psychic as I said (Unless I wimped out and pressed cancel post). I can either 'unleash' or charge up. Charging up gives me greater accuracy when I unleash and also makes me immune to most night kills. When I unleash I see a vision, that has so far proven to be either from a third person perspective or through that players eyes.
Summary of nights
1: Charged/Immune
2: TANSTAAFL on a hunch
3: Charged/Immune
4: VEGT2001 on a hunch
Night 4 I saw all the town together in one place, a line in Querci's mail I overlooked the first time I read it. The puzzle of the game is for us to piece together all the images and work out what is true from that.
Amb. |
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Amb
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 7:00 pm Post subject: 312 |
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| And it should be kind of obvious that if I ever got a role with Satanism in the title I would quit immediately.... |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: 313 |
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| So what you're saying is that you were away, and that if you're email had the word satanist in it you would quit? That's not much of a defense. |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 11:16 pm Post subject: 314 |
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| I just got an idea about the second shot last night. If we assume one was amb's mind control, that means theres an extra bullet. Yesterday Polotet claimed to have turned vigilante at rage that his vegondi sister was dead. Now polotet is dead. What if a third vegondi has gone vigilante? Tanstaafl was the most suspicious character that night. What if the last vegondi was trying to remove an unknown, or was operating on a hunch? I'm starting to believe the claim that the vegondi's were good. None of this takes any suspicion of AMB. Give us another reason macnut could have seen you performing some ritual around a pentagram with candles, and you may save you're own life. |
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Gaspode
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:19 am Post subject: 315 |
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Veg: Huh?
Your logic started out good, but I lost you about half way through.
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:43 am Post subject: 316 |
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| Polotet claims to have gotten vigilante powers when hh was killed, and macnut backed that up. What if there was a third Vegondi who with Polotet dead has vigilante powers? I think the vegondi may indeed have been good. A new vigilante appearing explains the extra bullet when before there was only 1 kill each night. If you were a pro town vigilante who would you have killed last night? The most suspicious person. Hope this makes more sense. |
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Amb
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:39 am Post subject: 317 |
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Revote Vegt
I saw what I saw and that was you having fired your gun. The way you react to my role is scummish indeed.
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:34 pm Post subject: 318 |
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| The way you fail to react to Macnut's claim to have seen you doing something around a pentagon seems pretty damn scummy. |
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Amb
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:07 pm Post subject: 319 |
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Read my role claim dipstick.
Pluswhich I have no idea what it looks like to other people - so I didnt know there was pentagrams involved. Also I never saw Mac at my house anyway - probably because I was in a trance.
Vote Vegt 1. For being scummy in trying to lynch a cop type role. 2. For immense stupidity in predeciding what my role must be and then trying to make me argue along those lines.
Q is right there is a wealth of information here, it just happens that one cabbagehead vegtable is deciding to hit the information with a blender. If you want proof of my role, go back and see what I said about TANSTAAFL the whole game. I had it pretty damned accurate and swung the votes away from someone I pretty much knew to be innocent. |
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Vegtable2001
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:18 pm Post subject: 320 |
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Amb, i request you come up with another way that explains the guns and my ability to stay home. We know that guns are not related to protection, because werebear had a gun at home, and he was at home when he was killed. I sincerely doubt werebear had any sort of possible night kill action. I also would like to point out that macnut did not seem to be present last night, despite you're claim. Nor you for that matter. What then are we supposed to think about you're claim that the entire town was present at Tanstaafls death, when 2 people were so clearly not there? Supposing you're psychic rituals do indeed involve you making a pentagram around the floor, and then burning candles around it, why did you pretend to act drunk to macnut? I know you claim no recollection of that part of the night, but could you think of a possible reason why he might have thought you were drunk? And why he thought you were sober later? Exactly what information did you gather about Tanstaafl 2 nights ago? It is a common mafia tactic (which i did in small mafia) to defend people you know are innocent. You could well have been controlling Tanstaafl at the time. You think I'm being scummy trying to lynch a cop type role, and making assumptions about you're role? I've provided good reasons for why people saw what they saw, and all you have done is said you don't remember Macnut being there. You're information about all of us being there that night is blatantly wrong. There are more gaps in you're logic and memory than actual content.
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