Rock and Pop mafia the sequel - GAME OVER

[Green Crayons]

Unvote: Dan
Vote: Jesternl

It's worth a shot.

[mikegoo]

unvote Mike Amok

Now I'm trying to decide between Dan and jesternl. DO I listen to my dark paranoid side and go along with the slightly insane theory of Dan's and vote for jesternl or do I siimply go with the idea that Dan is a loony and vote him...very tough choice indeed...I'll have to get back to ya'll on that.

[mikegoo]

After much careful consideration I've decided to vote: jesternl because paranoia is more fun.

[Dragon Phoenix]

As the players slowly abandon the Mike_Amok bandwagon, the voice of a DJ is heard loud and clear:

You know what.... Mike_Amok had enough votes for a lynch already

Bewilderment everywhere. Mike tries to protest: "No, I had nine with ten to lynch!". Several players nod.

In this case, nine was enough, sorry

And Mike_Amok falls down dead, killed off by the DJ.

Confused, you search his house for clues, and a golden record of Golden Brown provides a big one.

Congratulations, you have lynched The Stranglers, part of the mafia.

Night falls, choices before Wednesday 2PM.

Note: this was a simple oversight on my behalf (the DJ=the mod). It was an ordinary lynch which I should have carried out earlier. Apologies.

Edited for typos.

[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 01-13-2003 04:53 AM).]

[Dragon Phoenix]

I have some choices (not all - no choice sent is no choice made), but I am lacking time right now - hope to get the day started within 24 hours. Sorry for the delay.

[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 01-16-2003 04:53 AM).]

[Dragon Phoenix]

Three dead, still some more to go…
Lucrecia was visiting Jalyn when a letter dropped through the mailbox. Jalyn opened it and white powder flowed out… killing them both quickly. The house is put under quarantine, as it is suspected that this was a very strong version of anthrax. On the bodies you find sufficient evidence to identify them. Lucrecia was Supertramp, Jalyn was Guns and Roses, both on the towns side. Bummer.
Hitchhiker is missing as well, and you find her horribly mutilated body in the bushes. Died by multiple stab wounds. And when I say multiple, I mean multiple – thousands and thousands. She was Judas Priest, an ambiguous role who could have turned bad.

JUDAS PRIEST
You are on the towns side and can prevent a lynching once - by posting the word save and the name of the one you want saved in one post. Should the mafia target you, you will not die but switch allegiance, and work for the mafia (you are a non-killing member though - and commit suicide if the rest is gone). If that happens you have the same ability, even if you used it before.

GUNS AND ROSES
You are a vigilante. Every night you can kill a player (send me an email if you want to do so), hoping you eliminate a bad one.

SUPERTRAMP
You are homeless, and must choose a different player each night to stay overnight. If the bad guys target you, they will not find you. However, if they target your host of the night, you will be gone as well (unless a doc targets your hosts as well, in which case you will be save too).

[Dragon Phoenix]

THE LIVING
Crackerjack
Degenerate
Gaspode
Green Crayons
Irish Drums/Dan
IS
Jesternl
Logain
Mikegoo
Polotet
ralphmerridew
Sparticus
Tanstaafl
Trevize
Werebear

THE DEAD
Quercitron (Barenaked Ladies, town, strangled)
Mike Amok (Stranglers, mafia, lynched)
Jalyn (Guns and Roses, town, victim of anthrax)
Lucrecia (Supertramp, town, victim of anthrax)
Hitchhiker (Judas Priest, townish, multiple stab wounds)

Eight to lynch.

[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 01-20-2003 06:52 AM).]

[Ghost of Hitchhiker]

Bah. I'm beyond the realms of death.

[Dan]

Vote: jesternl fpr the same reasons mentioned yesterday.

[Trevize]

vote: jesternl

[Werebear]

I just want to say first - good job, Mike, choosing the same role as I had in R&P mafia 1 had convinced me, at least. Second, good job town, for not listening to me. *laugh* Before the vote count gets too high, I'll Vote: jesternl to see what he has to say. This vote is only based on curiousity, and let's not lynch him until he has a say, OK?

[Internet Stranger]

Vote: Jesternl

[jesternl]

Bah mindless bandwagoning galore again...
4 votes out of ten.. And I'm caught in the classic dilemma..
If I do not reveal my role I die of lynching, if I do reveal my role I will most likely be dead the next night because I am a danger to the mafia. And I could be a big danger at that too.
I prefer of course to keep my role hidden as long as possible, so please do not kille me right off.. I'kll reveal my role if necessary, but I am at work and cannot continuously check the thread, so give me time OK?
I am on the towns side, probably one of the strongest assets you have.



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Homo Sapiens non urinat in ventum.

[jesternl]

oh and for the roles/bands active..

Two victimes made by Anthrax... maybe the mafia member each have one kill? The one who eecutes the kill will be known by his/her method of killing?
I can't think of a name of a band that stabs thousands of times.. Maybe 10.000 Maniacs?

[mikegoo]

jesternl...supertramp was hanging at the house of the intended victim and got offed as well, it is part of the role description.

[jesternl]

yeah I realized that the tramp got killed because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.. *sings the lady was a tramp"
I meant more that the first mafia kill was a strangler, the second anthrax. Makes me think that the maf sends a messenger from their midst to kill, and that person's method is used. We can maybe use that to determine their number..

[Dan]

[Werebear]

I agree, it's kind of silly to say "I'm so vastly important, the mafia would want me dead immediately" but then not claim a role. according to you, you're toast anyways. let's hear ir.

[jesternl]

[Dan]

Your role sounds made up. not because DP wouldn't make it a role, but becasue you are trying to push how useful it is, when in fact, you are paralyzed. You cannot, except under extreme and uncertain circumstances, actually protect someone, so you are essentially a messed up vigilante.

So you try to say that you are useful in attacking (which you might be, if you knew who they were), and you say you can be useful in drawing their fire away from the town, to protect their own, which is horseshit. Supposing you somehow found out somebody was mafia, and decided to target them, the mafia would not be able know you were targeting them, let alone which one of them you were targeting, so it would be pointless to tager themselves. In fact it would be stupid, whereas you are an uncertain factor to attack them (they don't know if or which of them will be attacked), they know for sure that they are attacking themselves.

Now if you actaully told them that you were going to attack them, this also would be stupid. You can't hold this over their head because you would have wasted an opportunity to attack them stealthfully, thus ruiining your odds to kill a mafia straight out. Killing a mafia member is better than drawing their fire away from the town.

So really, you are a simple vigilante, but hang on a second, a vigilante died last night, plus there was a second killing group revealed last night with the "multiple stab wounds" (unless the mafia can send two kills on special nights). Gee whiz, there seem to be a lot of killing roles already....unless you consider yourself a protection role, hey here's a thought: You could protect yourself tonight!

[Dan]

Bah, by the time i finished the post, I had changed my mind. You are not paralzed, but if this were actually your role, you were making it to be worth more than it is.

[Werebear]

I was just about to post that I can accept this role for the time being, then remembered day 1. Oh well, if he's lynched and a killing role, you can all at least say I'm consistent.

Unvote: jesternl

[ralphmerridew]

DP claimed a role equivalent to this in Improbable Role Mafia on mafiascum. (Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde)

Then again, I think Spin Doctors would be more likely to be a group that screws with investigations.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Let's impose a deadline to get some more discussion going.

Deadline for this day will be Thursday 2PM, unless events warrant a postponement.

[Logain]

A doctor that kills anyone that is not being targeted already? Can't say that I trust that role claim. If the Spin Doctors were really a group in the game, I would think DP would have a different type of ability for them. That's not a doctor with a spin (twist) of their role. That's sounds like a serial killer who can have their targeting foiled by the mafia.

Vote: jesternl

[Gaspode]

I believe Jesternl's claim. While it is a dangerous role to use (you have a good chance of killing townies), it looks like it can be very useful, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

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You can't lose if you win.

[jesternl]

Logain, that is only when I target.. I have the option not to target/protect anyone. Which is, BTW, what I did the first two nights. I did not want to risk killing anyone without more info.

[Dan]

Natch.

[ralphmerridew]

If I had that role, I'd treat it as a vigilante who had a chance of being blocked. (And he's more likely to be blocked if he targets town than if he targets mafia, so the role would be better for the town than a normal vigi.) But I'm undecided as to whether I believe jesternl or not.

[jesternl]

I think it is decidedly pro-town... (of course) And I'll be happy to try and prove my ability the next night. If the mafia will kindly tell me who they are going to target, I'll be happy to protect that person
Or kill whoever you think I should kill..

[Werebear]

So we can have jesternl "target" someone tonight, and prove his alignment, at the possible death of a townie. Two questions - Is it worth it? Are there any loopholes in a test like this? If we decide it's worth it, one of two things will happen - either we have an extra death tonight, or we have one less. If, however, he's an extra kill, then all he has to do is kill someone, and claim he was protecting them. He could be someone who can kill every other night, and his kill was protected the first night, so this claim will cover up his ability - all he has to do was say he was 'protecting' someone. This ability is very annoying - once out in the open, anyone who he decides to protect is doomed if the mafia know who he's going to protect, all they have to do is not target who he's protecting. *head spinning* Any ideas?

[ralphmerridew]

Werebear, if he's telling the truth, I think jesternl should think of himself as a vigilante with a small chance of failure, not as a doctor who as a very large chance of killing the person he tries to protect..

[jesternl]

I agree with you there Ralph, that is exactly how I'm treating my role.
At the moment there is only one person who I can vote for who has been acting somewhat suspicious, and that is Dan.
He tried to get a bandwagon against me rolling two days, without very much to go on but "he's suspicious because he analyzes what is going on" I fully admit that that is not much for me to go on either, but at least I can be of value to the town.
Vote : Dan

[Werebear]

Yeah, but "Spin Vigilantes" just doesn't have the same ring. That's why I was hesitating so much, it's not really a "doctor role" for someone claiming to be "Spin Doctors". But then, there's probably a lot of roles being stretched to fit a mafia game. I don't think I'm revoting... until further evidence comes up.

[Green Crayons]

That sounds like to be the stupidest role on the planet. The "Spin" isn't exactly a spin, it's just an annoynace. I dont think mafia would claim such a crappy role, made up or not.

They always say mafia jump on a bandwagon near the end, even if it's against one of their own. Vote: Hitchhiker because of this (and not Gaspode, simply because i dont think the mafia would put themselves as the last vote to hang one of their own).

[Dan]

Jesternl, I originally voted you for pretty lame reasons, but it was the first round, and we had just as much information at the start of the second as at the end of the first.

Uh, Hitchhiker is dead Green Canyons. FOS: Green Canyons, his posts in general have just been votes and changing votes, and statements like "This game is boring." Also, you apparently didn't even read DP's post about who died last night. This might be because you were mafia and weren't expecting anyone but your target to die, or you could have just slipped over it in passing. Anyone think this reasoning is anything to go on (not the voting bit, the bit about him not expecting hitchhiker to die)?

[Dan]

Bah, and of course i forget to finish my statement about jesternl, the reason why I'm still voting for you is because I dont' really buy your story about being the Spin Doctors. Though I'd like to hear from Green canyons about his error (though we all know what he is going to say, the only thing TO say, that he missed it in DP's, or he forgot, or he thought HH was still alive because of her post as Ghost of HH, something like that).

[Green Crayons]

Well, no, Dan. I'm mafia. You caught me. Congradulations, you're private eye numero uno. [/sarcasm]


I read DP's nice story about what went on. However, i did that a while ago, and since then, i did forget who died and such. I havent been paying much attention to the games im in on Greylabyrinth, believe it or not; and, as that's the case, Unvote: Hitchhiker, Vote: Polotet, to continue following my reasoning.

[Polotet]

Yes, because the 5th vote when we're pretty much random voting==jumping on near the end. Right. Must update my terms list. Vote: GC

[Green Crayons]

Polotet, you were the seventh vote. Oh, wait. I'm sure you meant to put seven, but accidently put fifth. With a mistake like that, you must be mafia with me. Jeeze, i am good!