Rock and Pop mafia the sequel - GAME OVER

[Green Crayons]

[Green Crayons]

[Dan]

Originally posted by GC:

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Do you just not read, and hope that your aggressive posts will cause a legion of followers to blinding vote after you lead?

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No, I seriously didn't understand you claim. Thank you for elaborating.

My point about Polotet was that you voting for someone who turned out to be scum isn't as much a credit to your character as you passed it off to be. You said this:

[Gaspode]

unvote: Trevize I'm still a little suspicious of him, but after these last few posts, the obvious thing to do is vote: Green Crayons. Not only did he make that statement about docs, keep in mind that the first of his huge defense posts was only after an FOS. What normal pro-town person gets that worked up about one FOS? Plus, it looks like he's going back to his sarcasm defenses, which convince no one and just make it more obvious that he has no real defense.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Werebear]

again, 24 hours offline, and see what I miss! I just wanted to say that being a doc is not just waiting for a cop to come out, it's trying to figure out where the mafia is going to strike next, and preventing it. Whoever the docs are in this game, they're doing a good job.

Right now I'm thinking of voting for Green Crayons, but I will admit I need to re-read this last round of debating when I'm feeling better... I think I'm missing something.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Still plenty of discussion, no deadline.

Vote update (5 to lynch):

GreenCrayons 3 (Dan, Logain, Gaspode)
Dan 1 (IS)
Tanstaafl 1 (Trevize)
Trevize 1 (Tanstaafl)
Logain 1 (GreenCrayons)

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[Green Crayons]

[Trevize]

unvote:TANS
humm...
vote: GreenC

[Dragon Phoenix]

Discussion is stalling.

Deadline Wednesday 2PM

[Green Crayons]

Hum. One away from a lynch, and a deadline. Guess now is as good of a time to reveal my role.

I'm the Pretenders. Each night i may choose a target player. Regardless of what that player's role is, i then choose a second target player. Now, if my first target has a nighttime ability, i basically steal it for that night, and the target for that ability turns to my second choice. I dont know if the person i steal the ability from is notified. I assume if my first target has no nighttime ability, i end up doing nothing for the night.

Unvote: Logain. I'll admit that was a reflex vote - not exactly the most level-headed thing to do.
Vote: Trevize, because i still agree with the aforementioned points posed against him. And he hasn't answered to them, and it seems like he's simply trying to deflect any attention by simply not talking. Seems to be doing a pretty good job of it, too.

[Green Crayons]

I just realized something. Holy crap.

Okay, night one, i targeted Quercitron first, then Trevize second. That means, i had Trevize distracted from any night choice he might have made. That, and there was no "multiple stab" kill for that night.

I'm just stupid, and didn't really pay attention i guess before this (hm. bad habit, that i need to break). It's amazing what one vote away from being lynched will do for you. Now, i know that means that this doesn't automatically make Trevize the multiple stab-killer, because whoever that guy/gal is might have targeted whoever the doctor(s) choose as well. But that was night one, and the chances of the doctor and the multi-stab killer choosing the same person are slim - though, i suppose, just as slim as my chances of choosing a guy who blocks nighttime abilities as well as choosing the multi-stab killer.

Okay. Just. Okay. Yeah. Wow. I just cant believe i didnt see that until now.

[Dan]

So basically what you're saying is that you are an instrument for havoc? You have a much more likely chance of screwing up a good guy's plans than being of any help. The ideal situation woul dbe to redirect a killign ability onto someone else, the likelihood of this happening is a lot less than the likelihood that you screw up an investiagtion, a healing, or some other ability (like quercitron's). This ability, causing chaos, does not seem very pro-town to me, so did you use your ability the other nights? How did you justify your choices?

[Werebear]

Green Crayons, I'm not sure what to make of your role claim, it seems kinda far out to me. Does the person whose ability you diverted know his choice has been altered? For instance, if a cop targets XXX, and you divert the investigation to YYY, does the cop get an email back saying "YYY is innocent/guilty", or just "Your target is innocent/guilty"? Do you personally learn anything from your little switches via email, or just in the thread? It seems like unless you switch the choice of a SK or a mafia (slim chance, but possible) you're really interfering with the town side - you could make the cop investigate someone he already has, make a doc who's protecting a confirmed townie protect a mafia, etc (extremely possible)

Now, I'm sure the mafia won't answer, but maybe anyone in the town can verify that a night choice has been switched? It seems that in four nights, at least one of them would have interfered enough that someone notice, right? And yet noone has complained during the day that their nighttime activity was tampered with. Even more suspicious. The deadline is Wednesday, I'm suspicious, but not enough to lynch you. Especially with this:

Re: Trevize: what you're saying, Green Crayons, is that night there's just as much a chance [Trevize being the SK and you diverting his choice to the person the doc is protecting] as there is [the doc choosing the same person as the SK]. This is acceptable, but lynching Trevize won't necessarily prove you. I'm thinking of doing it just for the chance to get rid of a night kill. Any other thoughts on this?

[Dan]

I don't understand what you are saying in that last paragraph Werebear...are you saying Trevize is the SK? My thoughts are that Trevize is not the SK (at least by GC's evidence). It seems to me that Green Crayons is trying desperately to attach some validity to his highly suspect role.

[Werebear]

I was trying to make sense of Green Crayon's claim... his claim is he switched Trevize's choice the night there was no serial killer hit. Green Crayon's claim doesn't sound all that promising, and even if the role is true, it seems it would mess the town up more than help it.

If noone else has placed the final vote by this afternoon, or if noone has spoken up for Green Crayons, I will vote.

[ralphmerridew]

GC is claiming that he retargeted quercitron (BNL, role-blocker) to Trevize on night 1, so Trevize was blocked night 1. We also know that the stabbing killer didn't kill that night.

And the target-changing ability has occurred before on the side of the town (Gonff the Mousethief, Mossflower), though Gonff learned whether or not he actually set a target.

I am inclined to believe GC's claim. Unvote: GC

[ralphmerridew]

GC, could you post a list of everyone you have retargeted since the beginning and to whom you retargeted them?

[Dan]

Though it is possible it could be a role, I don't believe it is his role. The info about his "choices" on the first night was a pitiful attempt to support his vote for Trevize with evidence of his role. This post worked two-fold, it makes him look valuable to the town, whcih he isn't, as I've already mentioned, and it strengthens his case against Trevize, who, though lying low, is not the most suspiscious person in the game.

[Logain]

The role sounds very plausible, but I feel the same as Dan and that I don't believe it is GC's role. Previously he votesfor Trevize and gives his statement for why he thinks he's the most suspicious. Then, coincidentally, he recalls through his night choices some info he overlooked before, and who does it point to??...Trevize, the same person that he'd already been trying to say was suspicious before. I think GC is just trying to do what he can to create a new bandwagon other than himself at this point.

[Dan]

Green Crayons, can you make someone target themselves, so that if you targeted the attacking mafia, the would kill themselves? (This would cause an interesting paradox if you had made quercitron target himself, but I'm assuming you can't do this :-p)

[ralphmerridew]

I want to see if anybody else he claims to have retargeted has reason to believe their choice was changed.

I do agree that GC isn't very useful.

[Green Crayons]

[Werebear]

Green Crayons, I'm thinking there's about 50/50 chance you're town at the moment. But the one thing that bothers me is your willingness to hinge your fate and Trevize's fate on your 'ability'... because even by your arguments, there's only a fair chance that your 'night choice mix-up' that night prevented the SK kill. So we're left deciding if 1)you're a killer who's just buying time or 2)a townie who's staking two lives on guesswork. It will be interesting after this game is over to see what the choices were that particular night.

I'm sorry for those who want games to move quicker, but I'm still not voting GC, I want to see what evolves. If noone had changed their mind before now, I probably would have voted. It's actually great to see discussion.

[Dan]

I kinda got the impression that IS investigated Logain last night, but I suppose he could have investigated him earlier. But then why would he not bring it up earlier when he accused me? Strange...

[Werebear]

I don't check things as close when I'm at work, obviously. I really don't know when you went from top of my hit list to advisor, Dan, I'm hoping there would have been a more general outcry if you weren't really a mason, I guess. I'll believe you, and follow your lead... especially since noone HAS changed their votes.

Vote: Green Crayons

Sorry, Green Crayons, but if your role IS correct, I'd be afraid of your diverting something like an investigation or a protect anyways.

[Dan]

As charming as that is Werebear, I'm not so sure of your innocence, though that is a discussion for another day. I may not even live through the night. :-p

[Gaspode]

The role and info to back it up sort of makes sense, but I can't see DP putting a role in the game that would cause someone to do an unknown action to a certain player. You have no way of knowing what your first target does, so you could end up killing someone who you wanted to protect.

Even if DP did put this in the game, it's too dangerous to keep, so my vote stays where it is.

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[Dragon Phoenix]

And as Werebear cast the deciding vote, Green Crayons hangs.

Now why did you go out and lynch THE PRETENDERS, one of the best roles in the game?

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* checks notes *

Hang on, he was not the Pretenders, he was ANTHRAX, member of the rock and pop mafia. Well done.

Choices please. Deadline Sunday 2PM, earlier would be appreciated.

[Dragon Phoenix]

The plot thickens.

Tanstaafl, or The Cure in this world, had little hope of surviving this night after she had revealed her identity as doctor. And indeed, whilst she returned from her duty, she found a masked figure with a big knife waiting for her in her house. Ten thousands stab wounds later, the town has lost the doc. The figure grinned fiendishly and took of his mask, to reveal Logain, also known as 10000 Maniacs (yup, well identified Jesternl). "Kill 'em all" he whispered and went home. Unfortunately for him, the house he called home disintegrated a few minutes later in a gigantic explosion.

THE LIVING
Gaspode
Irish Drums/Dan
IS
ralphmerridew
Trevize
Werebear

THE DEAD
Quercitron (Barenaked Ladies, town, strangled)
Mike Amok (Stranglers, mafia, lynched)
Jalyn (Guns and Roses, town, victim of anthrax)
Lucrecia (Supertramp, town, victim of anthrax)
Hitchhiker (Judas Priest, townish, multiple stab wounds)
Crackerjack (Scorpions, pro-town immobiliser, lynched)
Polotet (Sex Pistols, mafia, multiple stab wounds)
Jesternl (Spin Doctors, doctor with a spin, food poisoning)
Degenerate (Blue Oyster Cult, evil cult leader, lynched)
Sparticus (The Who, detective, victim of anthrax)
Mikegoo (Ultravox, townie, multiple stab wounds)
Green Crayons (Anthrax, mafia, lynched)
Tanstaafl (The Cure, doctor, multiple stab wounds)
Logain (10000 Maniacs, serial killer, blown to pieces)

Six left - four to lynch.

[jesternl]

Originally posted by DP:

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Loagin, also known as 10000 Maniacs (yup, well identified Jesternl).

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Takes bow...
Am I good or what

[Dan]

Ok, two things:

1) IS explain yourself, what results did you get? How vague are they? What did you get last night?

2) I'm going to ask my mason friend who's band-name in the game is MADNESS to come out and defend me, because I think it is most logical in this situation. If you agree that this is the best course of action, please step forward and give me some credibility.

[Dan]

Also IS, please explain wtf is going on with your role. Is it required that you post only once a day? Why didn't you respond to anything said by the town yesterday?

[Internet Stranger]

Im the Greatful Dead.

Each night I can choose to use my ability. I pick someone, take a shitload of LSD and get a strange vision of them. The effects of the vision (and the drugs) leave me whacked out all day, so im only allowed to make 1 post.

If I choose to not use it, I can post freely.

Jalyn - You walk along field, when you reach a gazebo standing all alone. In the middle of the gazebo, you find a bouquet of roses. You pick up the bouquet and hear a loud bang behind you. There are 4 screaming cowboys riding horses there.

Lucresia - You stand at a dark streetcorner in a rundown city. Two men in an old blue pickup truck roll by and offer you $50. You go along with them, and now you find yourself being beaten by the two men.

Dan - Its dark. You cant see much of anything. You seem to be tied to a chair. You are very uncomfortable. You hear screams. You hear chains. You hear clanking metal. You hear a fire crackling behind you, its very hot. Before you now stands a giant image of the grim reaper. He says "May everyone go away".

Logain - Your eyes are closed. You hear mellow sounds. Its very peaceful. You think of your mother. She baked you an apple pie. The sounds are getting louder, its chanting. The mantra fills you full of hope. Its so serene. You open your eyes and find yourself in a sea of people. They all love you. They want to take you home.

Werebear - Youre in a farm. Youre milking a cow. Youre singing a song. Youre barefoot. Youre sunburned. You take a sip of lemonade. Three newborn chickens walk into the barn.

Its obvious that im somehow supposed to figure out peoples roles. But the Who (Sparticus) was doing that a lot better than I was. Im thinking that maybe I get clues as to wether they are evil or not as well as a clue to the name of their role.

Either way, Dan simply can not sound good at all. As of now, his buddy hasnt shown up yet. This is my only chance to vote, so..

Vote Dan

The rest is up to you now.

[Dan]

The description that you got for Logain was misleading, so I don't see how its hard to believe that mine might be misleading. I'm Crash Test Dummies, which could have something to do with being tied to a chair (seatbelted in), perhaps the chains are pulling the test car into a wall, perhaps the grim reaper is a representation of automobile deaths.

The point is, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it, but I also don't know how to explain Logain's description, so I'm not too confident in your interpretation of your investigation of me. And I hardly think 3 hours was enough time to wait for my ally to come out, you could have waited for a bit. :-p

[ralphmerridew]

Well, Werebear, what's your role?

[Gaspode]

Werebear is probably the Dixie Chicks. I have no idea what his abilities could be, but IS' description goes perfectly with them.

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[ralphmerridew]

I want to know whether Werebear confirms IS's claim.

[Dan]

Of course he will.

[Werebear]

Werebear is not the Dixie chicks. IS wasted a lot of drugs, apparently. Nothing about me or my role relates to what IS' vision was... but looking at the rest of the results, that's not surprising.

Vote: Dan until a member of his 'mason' group comes out. I said I would, and now I am. At this point, with 6 people left, I can't help but worry that even if two of your group come out, they're both mafia. The SK is gone, that leaves nothing but 1 or 2 mafia left. If Dan and his mysterious partner are both mafia... well, I can't help but worry.

[ralphmerridew]

Werebear, please unvote Dan. I'm Simple Minds, a member of his group, and I can confirm his claims.

Gaspode
Irish Drums/Dan - Crash Test Dummies (mason), supported by rm
IS - Greatful Dead (coplike)
ralphmerridew - Simple Minds (mason)
Trevize
Werebear - not the Dixie Chicks

(Really, I thought this was obvious. Look over my previous actions, and I was doing all I could to defend Dan without coming out as a mason.)

Werebear, what's your role?