Rock and Pop mafia the sequel - GAME OVER

[Gaspode]

Yeah, I'd like to know who Werebear is, too. But I'd also like to know if anyone else is the Dixie Chicks. Maybe IS gets results that are not true for the player he investigated but are true for someone else. Maybe he gets the role of the next person on the player list, or something like that. If IS gets results in a puzzle, and we can figure that puzzle out, maybe we can find some scum.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Dan]

This is me confirming that what ralphmerridew says is true.

[Gaspode]

Oh, never mind, I just remembered that Jalyn's description (Guns and Roses) made sense. Disregard most of the last post. I'd still like to hear who Werebear is, though.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Dan]

BTW, if we were both mafia that would make five mafia, a serial killer and a cult leader, quite a heavy load for a 20 person game. You can help but worry, you can use your head.

[ralphmerridew]

Trevize hasn't posted in a week. DP, could you get us a replacement?

Also, I think its time for the rest of you to post role claims.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Jadesmar will replace Trevize.

I claim to be the mod.

[jadesmar]

I am here.

[jadesmar]

vote: werebear
Unless, that's bad... let me know.

[Dragon Phoenix]

vote update, four to lynch

Dan 2 (IS, Werebear)
Werebear 1 (Jadesmar)

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Mods notes: This late in the game, I would prefer not to use deadlines, unless the discussion is completely stalling. If there is a deadline, there will only be a lynch with regular majority (in this case 4 votes). I will accept "no lynch" as a viable alternative vote, should you want to do so.

[jadesmar]

You do know that 1/2 of the Dan voters... probably won't be back

[Werebear]

Unvote: Dan, and I'm hoping the two masons aren't two mafia. Sorry about not posting earlier, somehow I missed this thread the one time I posted yesterday. I think I need a vacation.

I am revealing, and I fully expect anyone who hasn't to reveal also. I'm the Rolling Stones, I have a one-time vigilante kill... death by avalanche. The only time I've been really really tempted to use it was on Dan, the first night after he claimed mason.

And IS? Seeing as how your visions are crap, you might want to consider just forgetting them and posting more.

[ralphmerridew]

I think I know who the last bad guy is, but I want to see all the role claims first. Gaspode, jadesmar, please give your role. (Well, only one of you needs to claim for my purposes; I already know who the other mason is. But having all three masons come out would convince the other two good guys.)

[jadesmar]

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Gaspode, jadesmar, please give your role.

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You know my role, ralphmerridew; I am in your mason group.

[Werebear]

So is it Gaspode?

[ralphmerridew]

And I'll confirm that Trevize / jadesmar is Madness. Gaspode?

[Dan]

Yes, doubly confirming that the masons are myself, ralphmerridew and jadesmar.

I have my own suspiscions of who the last bad guy is too, I hope yours are the same as mine.

[Werebear]

You three are in charge, being confirmed town. There's no way there could be THREE mafia left. Your move!

[jadesmar]

**waits for Gaspode to claim a role**

unvote: werebear

[ralphmerridew]

DP, it looks like Gaspode is also away from GL. If he doesn't post soon, could you look for a replacement for him, too?

[Trevize]

Jade, keep my role this game is almost over. Anyways just wanted to post a "sorry for dissapearance" I was quite sick and then had to leave town on business. I am in houston texas right now and using this stupid TV / Internet connection in my room. Really sucks. Anyways sorry for letting everyone down.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I have seen Gaspode post recently on Scum. I have messenged him.

[Gaspode]

I'm here, sorry for not posting sooner. I didn't really get a chance to check this game. Anyway, I am The Police. As far as I know, I am just a regular cop. I have not gotten any guilty results yet, but I have found enough innocents to know who the last scum is. As long as the masons are innocent (which they must be, because there can't be 3 mafia left, and I found Dan innocent), Werebear is the last scum. If he is not, it's IS and I'm naive (which I doubt; "The Police" doesn't seem like the kind of cop role that would be incompetent). vote: Werebear. It looks like this game's over.

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[Dan]

I agree. Werebear was also my suspiscion. He took a good long while to vote for Green Crayons, giving him chance after chance to defend himself. That may be all well and good, but the way he acted surprised every time the tide changed irked me. He would not post for a day while a lot of stuff happened. I'll be you dollars to donuts he was watching every post, not wanting to interrupt the flow. I bring forward my other weak evidence that Werebear generally behaved the same way in Simpsons Mafia when he was the SK.

Now for somewhat more solid evidence.

Originally posted by Werebear:

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I'd unvote the self-proclaimed doc, if I'd voted him in the first place. Unless someone has better evidence... in which case I will happily vote him. Did this game just hit a brick wall? Should I vote Mike_Amok and lynch him just for laughs, and so the mafia (and any other killing roles) can have another stab at us? Does anyone else care???

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His not so subtle attempt to get rid of the pile of votes on Mike_Amok because of the fals role he claimed. if he had waited, i'm sure everyone else would have had the sense to unvote him, but Werebear wanted to push it to get his buddy away from the brink.

Also, his role is the weakest claim here. There is nothing to confirm or deny it, and it probably should have been used earlier in the game if it existed. Plus there was already Guns and Roses on our side as a vigilante, Werebear's role claim seems redundant.

Vote: Werebear

Btw Werebear, this was cute:

[ralphmerridew]

Personally, I was suspicious of IS. (His claimed role's ability is related to the group's members and fans, while every other role's ability is related to the group's name.)

But I do believe we should have at least two useful cops, so I will listen to the Police and Vote Werebear

[Werebear]

Sold out! Oh well, I'm dead, but the mafia lives on!

[Werebear]

Oh, BTW, my waiting for GC was the same courtesy I give everyone else. It's only you find it suspicous when it's mafia I wait for. *shrug*

[Dan]

You only have three votes Werebear. Though if you already knew that this could be the cleverest ploy ever.

Ralphmerridew, I'm starting to wonder. Should we lynch someone else and make Werebear use his so-called ability? On IS perhaps? Then the mafia would kill one of us. Leaving two masons against the final badguy (or if Werebear is lying then two masons and IS, then we just lynch Werebear because, well, he was lying).

Gaspode, what were your other investigations?

[ralphmerridew]

My thought was lynch IS, if that fails, have Werebear vigilante GC, and if GC is still alive tomorrow, lynch Werebear.

[Gaspode]

Don't worry. As long as I'm competent, IS is innocent. All of the non-mason people (and Dan, too) except for Werebear have been investigated and found innocent. We're set. Werebear MUST be scum.

Btw, GC is dead.

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You can't lose if you win.

[ralphmerridew]

Okay, Gaspode. Confirm vote.

[Gaspode]

Confirm Vote: Werebear also.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Dan]

Something smells fishy...

[jadesmar]

vote:werebear
Feels bad for unvoting now.

[Dan]

I don't see any way it couldn't be you Werebear. IS hasn't been posting much, but he came out with an accusation against me so early, which would be risky for a mafia. Gaspode could have lynched me when I had 4 out of five votes, but instead he turned the towns attention elsewhere, so I believe his claims of investigating me are credible. Though if you are not mafia, he's the first that I'd go after.

[Dragon Phoenix]

With four votes (Gaspode, Dan, ralphmerridew, jadesmar), Werebear hangs.

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Is this the end? It is. For The Rolling Stones and for the Town.

A sniggering Jadesmar pulls a gun out of his pocket and shoots his fellow masons as well as Gaspode, and high-fives IS. Yup. it is #24 all over again, with the Godfather in the mason group.

Congratulations scum.

[Dragon Phoenix]

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That's how it could have ended.

This is what really happened: Werebear hangs and IS kills himself. Game over, town wins.

Congratulations!

[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 02-28-2003 01:26 AM).]

[Dragon Phoenix]

Werebear was Megadeth, mafia Godfather.

IS was indeed the Grateful Dead, although his role (kudos for your fantasy) was not quite what he presented. He would remain in the game after he was killed and work for whomever killed him (town, mafia, vigilante or serial killer) - committing suicide if his killer died. He would not have survived a second kill.

[jadesmar]

I like post 314 better .

[Dan]

I think DP put that in especially for me, I emailed him saying that if he pulled that again, I'd freak. Gah...

If one of the masons was mafia, I would have thought it was ralphmerrdew, he made some posts that put me off balance sometiems. This is one of the reasons I would have gone after Gaspode instead of IS, they seemed rather chummy. IS was...IS... I was still suspiscious of him because he hadn't given any answers to the questions from the previous day in his solitary important post, but I was willing to grant leeway because of my suspicions about the restrictions on his role (aka I bought it, well done IS).

Great game DP. This is about the fifth time I've been a friggin mason, thanks a bunch. But seriously, good game, good roles, as per usual.

But I can't believe I lived to the end (first time!), I thought I was dead long ago.

[This message has been edited by Dan (edited 02-28-2003 01:47 AM).]

[jadesmar]

That must have been frustrating for him when he received these:

jadesmar:
> Are we masons or killers?
-Dragon Phoenix:
> Masons.

jadesmar:
> 3 masons with 6 living is odd
Dragon Phoenix:
> No further comments on a live game. Good luck.