Dilbert Mafia {Boss Mafia - Wins}

[Nauplius]

unvote: Corsato
vote: Sparticus
FOS: Faeriefire

Assuming everyone is telling the truth, then Sparticus and Faeriefire are the guilty ones. I'm an elbonian, Quiller and I formed a two person mason group. That leaves Sparticus and FF as Carol and the "Work Harder Not Smarter" killers.

[Faeriefire]

Nauplius is lieing!!! Sparticus and I were Elbonian with Quiller!! Assuming every role claim is true, that leaves you as the last scum.
[b]Vote: Nauplius
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[Faeriefire]

Vote: Nauplius

[wordcross]

Elbonian? Sh!te! I forgot about you guys. Didn't think there were any of you left... Well, that means that There cannot be both a boss and a troll left. If either. If the garbageman does exist as a cop role or something, that means Carol is the last bad guy and we're in the clear. But if amb was indeed attacked twice last night (and i hope someone can clue me in...) then no garbageman.

So we now have:

RSA-Dawn Dino (good)
Corsato-Rex Dino (good)
Me-Alice (good)
Nauplius- Elbonian (good)

Sparticus and FaerieFire- One is Carol and one is either boss or troll or something. It's entirely possible that Mordac is in fact around if neither. Regardless, it looks like they're both evil.

[edit] didn't see FF before my post. I find it highly unlikely that there were actually 3 Elbonians. That would mean that Nauplius is Carol, and that no one else is evil. I'm almost certain there's more than one scum role left. [/edit]

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I don't suffer from insanity, i enjoy every minute of it.

[This message has been edited by wordcross (edited 01-08-2003 10:56 AM).]

[Bear Skin Rug]

I wish the grim reaper was still on his "Catch and Release" program. I guess this second death is permanent.

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...So now you think you can walk all over me, huh?

[Kazooish]

amb was attacked twice last night.

[Kazooish]

Vote Count:

2 spart (nauplius & wordcross)

1 naup (Fairie)

1 cors (Spart)

Please tell me if any of these votes are wrong....i went over it twice...but i still feel like i missed something...

[Sparticus]

Confirming with Faerie, I am elbonian, and Naupilus is most certainly scum.

Unvote: Corsato, Vote: Naupilus

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I am still Sparticus, no matter what you say.

[Nauplius]

Originally posted by Kazooish in reply 205:

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amb was attacked twice last night

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easy to see who the lying scum are.

confirm vote: Sparticus

[Sparticus]

Easy to see? Hardly. In a game this size, there almost has to be three elbonians. Quiller was one, and Faerie and I are the other two.

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I am still Sparticus, no matter what you say.

[wordcross]

*ahem*

If you bothered to keep up you scumbag...

The roles that are undoubtedly left:
Dawn-RSA
Rex-Corsato
Alice-me
Elbonian-Nauplius

That's four. All of those roles are good. If amb was attacked twice last night, that means that there must be two bad dudes left. That's you and FF. If you and FF were elbonians, that would leave Nauplius as the only evil role, and i doubt he gets two tries to kill each night.

Confirm vote: Sparticus

FOS from Hell on FaerieFire.

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I'm not an actor, but i play one on TV.
GLih8evilstuff: I hope you never call me, my caller ID would explode.
I don't suffer from insanity, i enjoy every minute of it.

[Kazooish]

2 votes for spart

2 votes for naup

People who still need to vote: RSA & CORSATO

[Faeriefire]

Since there appears to be two scum roles left, I went back through the post and analyzed somethings.
1)RSA must be Dawn
2)Corsato must be Rex
That leaves us with four characters and two bad guys.
There's Wordcross who claims a role of a doctor. Alice may be his role, but who's to say that it's a doctor role? He did comment "surprisingly enough" about it.
Then there's Nauplius who claimed to be elbonian. I and Sparticus know that's not true, but unfortunately have no way of proving it. He must be Carol.
Things lead me to believe that Wordcross and Nauplius are working together. Anyone else notice what Wordcross said about Nauplius?

Originally posted by Wordcross:

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I'm just getting good vibes from him.

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Very suspicious . . .
Confirm Vote: Nauplius

[Corsato]

A two person mason group is pretty useless. I agree that it's likely that there are two evil roles left, but I do not believe they are associated with eachother.

Here's how I see it:
- RSA: Dawn
- Corsato: Rex
- Wordcross: Alice. Alice is definately in this game, and if Wordcross is lying the real Alice should step forward. I'm not really sure if Alice is good or evil
- Nauplius: Carol, the crossbowshooting secretary.
- Sparticus & Faeriefire: Elbonians. Could be good or evil, but if we are evil we are doomed.

I'm tempted to vote for Nauplius, but if the two Elbonians are evil we surely loose.

QUESTION TO THE MOD:
In the Amb killing you mentioned: work harder not smarter
In the Ktula and Theotherkatie's lynching you mentioned work smarter not harder.
Is this deliberate, or by accident??

[Corsato]

bah, I should have previewed the post, but I guess you'll get the point .

[wordcross]

okay. If the mod will confirm that Elbonians are a good role, regardless of who is actually an elbonian, then the following stands to reason:

1)

[Kazooish]

the work harder not smarter is the cause of death, thus they were killed in the same way....by the same killer(s)

[Kazooish]

the elbonians i will not reveal if they are good/evil.


Sorry, gonna have to figure this out on your own.

[wordcross]

fine. Look at things this way then. Regardless of who is claiming to be Elbonian, they believe it to be a good role. If it were an evil role, I doubt Naup would have claimed it to begin with.

Still, Lets go on the assumption that it's an evil role for a minute:
Scenario 1) Naup is Elbonian. That means that either Spart or FF is Carol. The other would not be evil, because there were only two attacks last night. If someone had attacked RSA, whom i was protecting, Kazooish would have mentioned it in the morning. Since FF and Sparticus are working together on this, it stands to reason that regardless of whether or not they are good or evil, they are on the same side. Since one cannot be good and the other evil, that means that under the Elbonian = evil assumption, Nauplius could not possibly be Elbonian.

Since that would be the case, it must mean that Scenario 2) Spart and FF are telling the truth, and are Elbonian. But since we are assuming that Elbonians are evil, then we should lynch one of them today.

If Elbonians are good, then Naup would have to be it, since Both Spart and FF being good would leave only one bad role, which we know not to be the case.

I honestly don't know what's so hard about it.

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I'm not an actor, but i play one on TV.
GLih8evilstuff: I hope you never call me, my caller ID would explode.
I don't suffer from insanity, i enjoy every minute of it.

[Corsato]

You forget that scenario 2 can be split in a scenario 2a and a scenario 2b.

Scenario 1:
Nauplius=Elbonian
Faeriefire & Sparticus are evil, one of them is Carol, the other one is unknown.
Big question: Why are they covering eachother?? I believe they are not on the same team, because normally each group has only one ability.

Scenario 2:
Faeriefire & Sparticus = Elbonian
Nauplius = Carol (must be, because Alice is most definately in this game)
Wordcross = Alice
scenario 2a:
The elbonians are evil, they have to work harder not smarter. Carol is the other evil person, the crossbow-killer
scenario 2b:
The elbonians are good, they are a masonic group. Carol of course is evil, which leaves Alice. She must be the other scum.

I agree that scenario 2a is most likely. And that means we must vote for one of the elbonians, or we loose.

[Faeriefire]

Although you may all see it as unlikely, the Elbonians is simple masonic group. We have no abilities what so ever.
I don't know that much about the script, but can anybody give me a reason why Alice can't be evil?

[Sparticus]

Okay, then, why don't I analyze each scenario?

Scenario 1-As it has already been discussed, this isn't a probable scenario.

Scenario 2
a) Elbonians are evil. This means there are three baddies: Faerie, Nauplius, and me. This is supposedly the likely scenario. That means evil wins, no matter who gets lynched.
b) Elbonians are good. This means there are two baddies: Nauplius and someone else, probably wordcross. This means we have a chance.

If Scenario 2a is true, it doesn't matter who gets lynched, because we'll lose.. However, if we lynch Nauplius or wordcross, then we do have a chance.

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I am still Sparticus, no matter what you say.

[Corsato]

You forget one thing, and that's the fact that there are three baddies left, but only two groups. Which means two kills. But the town has a doc, whih can prevent the kill . So we are not entirely damned.

The problem I have with lynching Nauplius is the fact that we loose if the elbonians turn out to be evil after all.

[Sparticus]

No, I didn't forget there would be two evil groups. I did forget about the doc, though. Still, it would be to our advantage anyway if we lynch Nauplius, whether or not Faerie and I are good. Getting rid of Nauplius would eliminate one killing group completely. Lynching Faerie or me still leaves two killing groups. This makes lynching Nauplius more favorable in both scenarios.

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I am still Sparticus, no matter what you say.

[Kazooish]

deadline: tuesday evening

[Corsato]

quote:

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Getting rid of Nauplius would eliminate one killing group completely. Lynching Faerie or me still leaves two killing groups.

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So you finally are confirming to be part of a killing group

Maintaining a three (two bad one good) group situation is in the town's advantage. I'm beginning to suspect that Wordcross had the same thought, which would explain his vote for Sparticus, instead of the almsot confirmed guilty Nauplius.

What to do from now on?? I suggest we lynch Sparticus. Two baddies left...
Worst case scenario is two calls tonight, which would make our situation worse. But with one player alive in each of the groups (one elbonian, one carol, one townie) the bad guys cannot trust eachother. The outcome of the game would be unpredictable.
But it's the only chance we've got. (if the elbonians are evil of course).

I say again, lynching Nauplius would only cause the Elbonians to win.

Vote: Sparticus

[Sparticus]

[Kazooish]

Spart is 1 vote from lynch...

[Faeriefire]

And what good will lynching Spart do? You still will not know whether or not we are evil. You certainly didn't after Quiller's death . . .
Think about it.

[Sparticus]

A sudden insight.

[Sparticus]

However, if Nauplius were to be lynched today, again assuming Elbonians are evil, there would be only one kill tonight, probably the doc. Two vs. two. One Elbonian gets lynched, then one innocent dies at night. One vs. one. Still not winnable. So, what does this mean? Supposedly, the good side is doomed either way.

There is one major flaw that I noted above, however. ELBONIANS ARE NOT EVIL!!!!! If I am lying, you guys are screwed anyway. If I am telling the truth, then you should obviously lynch Nauplius.

Firk Ding Blastin' Confirmation for Vote: Nauplius

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[Beartalon]

PHB says: Aren't you guys finished yet? You're holding up my golf game. Oh, I'm sorry. That's a benefit that I get that you guys are taxed for. Toodles!

[Amb]

Stop posting PHB - I sent you to marketing.

[Corsato]

Problem is there will be no lynching in a two-two tie. It would only ensure the winning of the Elbonians.
You say you're not evil, but you do not give us a (likely) scenario where you are NOT evil.

We are likely to lose, but lynching an elbonian at least gives a chance.

[Sparticus]

You just aren't listening, are you Corsato? I am no longer trying to convince you people that Elbonians are good, because that doesn't seem possible. I'm trying to say that if we (Elbonians) are evil, you guys can't win.

[Faeriefire]

You're right Corsato, we do not give a "likely" scenario because, assuming there are two killing groups, that would involve considering Wordcross the other killer. Am I the only one that sees this as plausible? Remember Wally the incompetant having a chance of killing or protecting? What if Alice is the same? Or what if she can choose what she does?
A scenario being "likely" is subjective. Sparticus and I know we're good so Wordcross and Nauplius being the other killers seems "likely". To you others who cannot determine without a doubt whether the Elbonians are good, this does not.
I don't know how I can convince you of this.

[PuzzleProdigy]

*nods head vigorously to simulate comprehension of all this*

[Sparticus]

Okay, I'm feeling a little better now, so I'll try again.

First, Faerie, you're right, we can't convince them that we're not evil, but as stated above, that isn't our goal. Our goal is to show them that lynching Nauplius today would be more advantageous than lynching me, regardless of which side we play.

Another note: Corsato, I've noticed that, in response to my arguments, you are making pretty feeble posts. I push strong statements forward that prove my point. You nitpick at the smallest details that really don't disprove my argument, then you foolishly repeat that "lynching Sparticus is our only chance". You are stubbornly agreeing with Nauplius and wordcross without giving my side of the argument a fair chance. I fail to see what is so wrong with what I am saying. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[Corsato]

The things you say are incomplete, you fail to give me a reason to NOT vote you, and now you attack me because I try to explain something to you I've tried to respond directly to your posts, but you seem to keep going in the same direction. So who isn't paying attention??

I'll try one more time:
Assuming that Elbonians are evil, an Elbonian/Carol/Townie tie can be won by the town, though it's not likely.
A two elbonian / one townie endgame can not be won by the town.
A Carol/unknown killer/townie endgame can be won, but isn't likely.

So what chances doe we have?? Not lynching an Elbonian, we loose. Lynching an elbonian, we have a chance, but only if the Elbonians are evil.

Problem is, who is the unknown killer?? We know the unknown killer kills on a regular bases (only failed once). So it's probably not a Wally-like role.

So what else do we've got?? The killers are known for their line "work harder, not smarter". I do not see how that could fit into Alice being the killer, but I can imagine it's the way elbonians would kill.

RSA: I really could use some input from your side.

[Sparticus]