Mini-Mafia in Isengard (Game over, Fellowship wins)

[MatthewV]

I feel fairly confident that Sparticus is scum now that porro's role has been confirmed to be true. Next choice is still pete. I wont vote at this moment, that almost grilled me last time.

[Gaspode]

What did Porro's role have to do with Sparticus' guilt?

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You can't lose if you win.

[MatthewV]

just confirmed that he really was telling the truth (i believed him before also)

[casinopete]

1. quercitron was cleared by Porro.

2.a. Polotet put MattV at the top of his list.
2.b. Polotet was mafia
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2.c. seems very unlikely that MattV is mafia.

3. I am an orc.

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conclusion:
if there were three mafia, the two left must be Sparticus and Gaspode.
if there were two mafia, then either Sparticus or Gaspode is the remaining mafioso.

Vote: Sparticus

[Sparticus]

What I find very annoying is that most of you argue based on the fact that you are innocent. You can't argue on that fact because it cannot be proven! Thus, casinopete, you cannot argue those points, because you are still a suspect, just as much as I am.

I also believe now that MatthewV is innocent, same reasoning as casinopete. However, remember that Porro had suspicions, but he did not investigate any of us (except for querci). His guess is really as good as our own.

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[quercitron]

casinopete
Gaspode
MatthewV - probable innocent
quercitron - confirmed innocent
Sparticus

From casinopete's standpoint, assuming there are two Mafia left.

A. Assume casinopete is innocent. Then Gaspode and Sparticus are the remaining Mafia.
B. Assume casinopete is Mafia. Then, knowing the Town to be in a state of confusion, he would probably vote for the non-Mafioso of the group, leaving Gaspode as the other Mafioso. Either way, and also in light of his suspicious behaviour (especially with regards to role claims, you act almost too clueless,) Gaspode sounds like a good choice to me. So FOS: Gaspode.

If anyone is not an Orc, please say so now. (Especially Merry/Treebeard/other Fellowship.)

[MatthewV]

well, it is always a good sign that people think im innocent

ok, cainopete, gaspode and myself have all claimed orc now. I would like to say that there is no reason for this (I was asked) and they really mean nothing.

Im leaning toward Gaspode being innocent at this moment. Look at the lists of Polotet and Sparticus- he is 2nd (im first) I happen to feel Sparticus is scum. He hasnt been posting much, but enough to avoid looking bad. He hasnt added much, not adding much more than was required.
FoS Sparticus
I may vote on Friday, depends on countless things..

[Sparticus]

I haven't been contributing much because I don't know what to contribute. I have seen many faulty arguments made, and I myself don't have any productive arguments to state. I'll look back a bit more to see if I can draw anything useful, but querci's argument currently sounds the most convincing. (Perhaps because his FOS doesn't point at me. )

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[ralphmerridew]

Current vote count:
Sparticus: 1 (casinopete)

No deadline at present.

Tilforder

[Gaspode]

Sparticus, why didn't you point out the "faulty arguments"? That could be somewhat useful; it's at least better than silence.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Sparticus]

I've already done so.

MatthewV, reply 178
Gaspode, reply 183
casinopete, reply 203

These three posts base arguments on the fact that the arguer is innocent. Only quercitron has full right to argue on this.

I'm still analyzing all previous days' posts, so a full analysis when I complete it. (Probably not until tomorrow, cause I have a lot of work to finish tonight.)

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[casinopete]

casinopete, reply 203

was not a faulty argument, because it wasn't an argument at all. I was simply explaining my thoughts.

and as those thoughts haven't changed (to be honest, I find it unlikely that any information could appear that would change my mind), I will still be in favor of lynching either Sparticus or Gaspode.

that is all.

[MatthewV]

I think the faulty logic from both Gaspode and myself comes from the fact we were working with faulty facts. They are both based on the idea that Polotet was innocent.

As for you, my finger is still pointing in your direction. And getting closer to the spot between your eyes too!

hmmm I see people in this order currently,
Sparticus
Casinopete
Gaspode
Quercitron
Me (people didnt like it when I didnt include myself in the past)
no vote currently, I would like a little bit more.

[Sparticus]

Originally posted by casinopete:

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it wasn't an argument at all. I was simply explaining my thoughts.

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Do we really need to argue over wording? Explaining a vote, arguing for a vote, same thing. The justification of your vote may be good enough for you, but it can't be convincing enough for everybody else.

At the moment, it seems that MatthewV and casinopete are bent on lynching me. It will take either Gaspode or quercitron to finish me off. Just to see how screwed I am, what are your views on me? Last I recall, quercitron had an FOS on Gaspode, and Gaspode...I don't think he's made an accusation yet.

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[Sparticus]

As for myself, I still feel a tug of suspicion toward MatthewV, but since Polotet voted for him, it seems less likely. That leaves Gaspode and casinopete, of which I am not certain.

[MatthewV]

I am willing to do this now. I see a lull in the discussion....
Vote Sparticus changed from my FoS.

casinopete is also voting for Sparticus.

[Sparticus]

Or we could let this important day drag on, just shut up, and let the mod set a deadline so we all just mutually, albeit silently, agree that I should be lynched, since I have the only votes. If you all think I am worthy of lynching, at least say something and state your reason(s). MatthewV and casinopete are doing that much,

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[Sparticus]

I'm getting really tired of this. Vote: Gaspode for a three-day(real time) silence and having only two barely productive posts all day(game time). What is your general sentiment of each person?

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In my dice bag, I've got dice you've never even heard of. I have a d5, d7, d14, d16...I think I've even got a d1.

[quercitron]

casinopete and MatthewV have voted Sparticus, and Gaspode has had the chance to vote for him. If Gaspode is Mafia, then Sparticus is also Mafia, because if he were innocent than Gaspode would have offed him. In the same manner, if Sparticus is innocent, Gaspode is innocent. I believe we have tentatively cleared MatthewV, and I am innocent.

If I assume Sparticus's and MatthewV's innocence, it leaves only one Mafia then. So that doesn't work.

Here are all the possible situations (excluding ones where I'm Mafia, since I'm not.)

Gaspode / Sparticus
Gaspode / MatthewV - no, because Sparty would be lynched
Gaspode / casinopete - no, because of Polotet's list interaction (Polotet hedges his bets, and would not put both Mafia as most innocent on his list, even in the position he was in yesterday...at least, this is what I'm counting on.)
Sparticus / MatthewV
Sparticus / casinopete
Gaspode / casinopete - no, because Sparty would be lynched

Notice all three of the remaining scenarios involve Sparticus being Mafia. So that's it for me. I'm going to state that I believe Sparty and Gaspode to be the remaining Fellowship.

Then I'm going to vote: Sparticus, apologize in advance if I'm wrong, and if I'm right urge the lynching of Gaspode tomorrow, although not immediately.

q out.

[ralphmerridew]

In a rage, three of you descend on Sparticus.
Your swords are ineffective, so you switch to axes.

Sparticus - Treebeard (Fellowship) has been hacked to bits.

It is night, please send your choices.

[quercitron]

haha!

[ralphmerridew]

After destroying Treebeard, you cheer and go to sleep. Surely the Fellowship is now defeated!

But as MatthewV finds out in the night, the Fellowship is still active.

MatthewV, Orc (Townie) - killed by the Fellowship

The living:
casinopete
Gaspode
quercitron

It is day, 2/3 to lynch.

[Ghost of Sparticus]

Avenge me, last of the Fellowship!

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I was Sparticus.

[Gaspode]

Sorry for my "3-day silence", I had a very busy weekend.

Anyway, I now know that Casinopete is scum. Querci is a confirmed innocent, and I know that I'm just an orc. We obviously can't lynch an innocent. vote: Casinopete. I expect he'll vote for me, so it's up to you, Q. You said you think I'm the last scum. Why? As far as I can tell, the only thing I did that could possibly look suspicious was catch up on a role claim. Also, notice that Polotet (Fellowship) was very intent on lynching me for most of the game. Do you think he'd repeatedly vote for a fellow mafia member? Plus, pete has seemed suspiciously quiet for most of the game (as you probably know, he's one of the most verbose players on mafiascum). I think all the evidence points away from me and towards pete.

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You can't lose if you win.

[quercitron]

All right, Gaspode, before I vote you or casinopete, here's a question. Why do you think MatthewV was killed last night?

[casinopete]

I really think everything's been said, and Gaspode is correct that the outcome is based totally on your vote, quercitron, so I will try to keep this short, and simply remention the salient points.

1)

Originally posted by Gaspode:

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Also, notice that Polotet (Fellowship) was very intent on lynching me for most of the game. Do you think he'd repeatedly vote for a fellow mafia member?

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Polotet was not intent on lynching Gaspode "for most of the game." In fact, he never once voted for him, and didn't even claim he found him suspicious until we made the "lists." And then, only his first choice mattered, as a lynch of MatthewV (now completely confirmed innocent) would have ended the game in a mafia win.

2)

Originally posted by Gaspode:

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Plus, pete has seemed suspiciously quiet for most of the game (as you probably know, he's one of the most verbose players on mafiascum)

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If quercitron knows I was verbose on mafiascum, than he also knows that I shut up in all of my games, mafiascum as well as GL, at precisely the same time... because I was busy. It's been covered.

3)most important:

two game days ago, MatthewV voted for Gaspode, and left his vote there for more than a week. If I were mafia (in addition to Polotet and Sparticus) then Gaspode would have been lynched, and the game would have ended long ago. Therefore, I can not be mafia.

there is really nothing else to be said. I think it's pretty obvious that Gaspode is mafia.

Vote: Gaspode

[MatthewV]

bah. ::bets on who it is::
I thought Q would die

[ralphmerridew]

Current votes:
casinopete: 1 (Gaspode)
Gaspode: 1 (casinopete)
not voted: quercitron
2/3 to lynch

[quercitron]

Vote: Gaspode. Bye Gaspode.

*crosses fingers*

[Gaspode]

NOOOO! What's wrong with you? I was about to answer your question! What were you thinking? Polotet and I were definitely rivals throughout the whole game (I wanted to lynch him, and I was one of his top two suspects). We could've won!!! AAARRRGH!

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You can't lose if you win.

[Gaspode]

Why couldn't you wait longer, anyway? I didn't get a chance to reply to you or pete!

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You can't lose if you win.

[quercitron]

I was thinking you were Mafia. Chalk another one up for querci.

So answer my question now: why MatthewV and not me?

[quercitron]

And about the rivals thing: Mini Game 12 on MS taught me a very important lesson. You can distance yourself from your fellow Mafia all you want. I was third on the bandwagon for one of them in that game, and basically got another one lynched due to my accusations. In a Day or two, that part doesn't matter. What matters is whether you act like Mafia or not.

I was expecting my actions in MG12 to save me. Imagine my surprise when I was lynched without even discussion. It's all in how you act, Merry.

[Gaspode]

[ralphmerridew]

casinopete and quercitron hang Gaspode from the same tree, and then suddenly pete whips out his sword and catches the surprised querctiron in the stomach.

Gaspode - Orc (townie) - lynched Day 5
quercitron - Orc (townie) - killed Night 6

casinopete - Merry (Fellowship) - victorious

[quercitron]

Whoa. And here I thought you were confessing.

Oops. Sorry.

Well done, pete.

[Polotet]

Mafia Win! Yay! Nice job, Pete.

[MatthewV]

its a good thing you killed me. We would have won...

[casinopete]

wow. I was convinced that quercitron's last post of yesterday (the accusation of Gaspode) was a trick, and that he was really gonna lynch me.

but I left him alive anyway, because I thought the logic favored me, and hoped he'd hold off long enough that I could outreason Gaspode.

plus I didn't think MattV would wait long enough for me to present my case.

three cheers for us wicked hobbits and ents!

[Leonidas]

Now that was one hell of a gambit last night...