Designer Mafia II - town narrowly wins

[mikegoo]

Ok...here we go...just to make Jeep happy... like everybody else I'm reserving my vote until after Trevise manages to not convince me to not vote for him. Happy Jeep? Wait let me do more vote: Jeep...now I have accomplished exactly as much in this game as you have. Was it "good" for this game? Not any more than me waiting another 12 hours or so and casting a meaningful vote.

[Green Crayons]

Okay, well, i have this to ask the town: What if Trevize comes out and says that he's a doctor, or a cop? That's a very probable (and is what usually happens) situtation that we may find ourselves in. Everyone's all "oh, i'll hold off until i hear Trevize's defense," but what about when he finally comes forth with this "information?"

Personally, i'm leaning towards believing Beartalon, because A) nobody else is coming out to denounce his claim, and B) he has absolutely nothing to gain from this if Trevize is killed off and discovered as an innocent - except to hang himself.

The reasoning behind this post, however, is this: FOS: Everyone who is hiding behind "oh, let me wait until a defense," because, honestly folks, Trevize defense is going to mean nothing in the long run.

Vote: Trevize

[mikegoo]

[Green Crayons]

Oh, further reasoning on the FOS:

Basically, i see the "i'm going to wait for Trevize" spelling out to a scum mentality of: "Oh, let me wait like a good little townie (see? i'm innocent!) and be nice and kind and wait for Trevize because his defense is going to make all the difference in the world! Mhm! So, look, ladies and gentlemen! Let everyone see that I was being "clear headed," "calm," "not acting rash," "being fair," and using "good judgement;" all of which help the town, not hurt! So, don't forget this everyone - espically down the road, when there's a bandwagon forming, i'll be more than happy to bring this point up to seem innocent!"

..I'm not trying to say that everyone who is waiting for Trevize to post a defense is guilty; however, i'm more than sure there is at least a few scum that is partaking in such behavior.

[jadesmar]

I will probably unvote him if he claims cop. But, I will expect him at some point to produce results.

[mikegoo]

GC: one thing you are overlooking in this game is that all role claims (at least the existance of) can be verified by a player in the game (not that they necessarily will be due to death or a mafia member who designed an investigative role not wanting to "clear" a good guy) which makes waiting more useful (although 2 sneaky mafia members could try to use this to their advantage). If this were a "normal" mafia game your reasoning is quite sound on the FOS...in this instance it is not so much.

[Green Crayons]

I see what you're saying Mike, and i'll admit that i hadn't really thought of other players being able to verify role claims. However, now that i do, there is two flaws that i see in this reasoning:

1) Last game, Amb didn't take everyone's role. He made some of them up himself (such as mine, in the first game). If there are roles in the game that were not made by another player, then there's no way someone can come out and clear whoever is making the claim.

2) If a badguy's role is told (that is, the person who made the role is bad, not necessarily the role itself), and the person who is revealing the role isn't part of that badguy's group, then there would be almost no reason what-so-ever for the badguy to speak up and help out the would-be lynchee (assuming that such a revealing of a role came at a time of a major bandwagon; and not of a cop coming out to denounce a scum or whatever).

So the only way i could possibly see someone coming out and agreeing with a role already given, is A) if they are a pro-town role and actually made the claimed role, or B) they are scum, but the revealing of having turned in such a role will make them look better to the town, or it will help veer the lynch crowd away from someone who may be in their group. (Thus, i'm not saying i won't/can't draw any definate conclusions from Gaspode's claim to having made the role.)


It's just that so many people are taking the "uh, yeah, let's wait for Trevize" way out, that i'm bound to believe that scum are seeing it as a safe ticket for day one, if not an easy basis of argument of their innocence later on.

[Green Crayons]

[Mackay]

...and it's grammAr, not grammEr. *shields face with arms*

I just wrote so that you know I'm reading, but I don't have anything productive to add right now.

But one thing is, that another role claim that wouldn't work is if it was written by one of the dead guys. I guess that's another reason it'd be easier to make it up later on.

[Amb]

Time limit announced

72 hours from this post.

[jeep]

OK, he's had plenty of time. unvote: mikegoo ; vote: Trevize.

-JEEP

[Amb]

The town came together, and counted the votes. It seemed there were enough to remove Trevize. Taking him by the arms the town placed Trevize in a giant Mangonel. Trevize felt a strange sense of dejavu as the town then aimed the mangonel toward a nearby storm cloud and flung him to his death.

Trevize, GodFather of the mafia, has been flung to death by the town and a handy catapault. Trevize was also the director of the local hospital and if any player had claimed to be a doctor Trevize only had to ask them in the thread if they were a "registered practicioner" and they would drop dead overnight if they were in fact a doctor.

The town headed off to bed, and on the stroke of midnight, Trevize was heard landing in the distance with a thud.

Congratulations town.

It is now night. 72 Hours for choices

[SaberKitty]

i know it's night. just incase day starts early...
i'm gonna be gone all weekend. starting now. don't lynch me

-SK

[Mackay]

Shweet!

[Amb]

Keep those choices coming in....

[Mackay]

I probably won't be able to post for a while... I'm really busy at the moment. Just take it as a given that I'm keeping up to date as much as I can and still alive.

[Beartalon]

*opens a bleary eye*
Is it day yet?
*closes eye again, snores*

[RubberDuck]

You'd better not do a Macros, Amb

[Amb]

MacadamiaMan grabbed his pen and paper and thought hard about whether or not tonight would be another night of 'bEtrAyInG' his mafia team. But before he had his thoughts written down a single bullet arrived for a holiday in his brain, and in a short spanse of time MacadamiaMan was dead on the floor with the letter 'O' carved in his hand.

Mikegoo had a messier end. For reasons of terrible luck, the only evil colored box in the game was the one he opened. The explosion left a fairly big crater the ground, and where a house once stood was charred dirt and the odd charcoalised brick.

Jeep stood with four boxes. He assumed one was evil and the rest of benefit to help the town. While he pondered the mystery, a stranger approached and asked for a light "dude" and when Jeep gave him his lighter, the stranger lit it. On Jeeps shirt.

CrackerJack walked up to his night target, and began observing knowing that what he observed would be published in the thread at dawn. He watched one of the very few players with no night choice sleep, and then left for home. He ignored the helicopter hovering nearby - and never realised that the small thuds he could hear was the sound of bricks dropping onto the pavement. The last brick dropped was right upon his cranium.

Dead
CrackerJack - Harlequin street artist who watched a player each night. What he saw was published directly. Town.

MikeGoo - Copycat mimic. Each night MikeGoo could find out what any players night choice was and then do the exact same thing as they did. Pro Town.

MacadamiaNut - Mafia Traitor. The mafia were told Mac was a Vengeful Mafia who could take revenge on any player that voted him if he was lynched. This was a total lie. Mac was the Mafia Informer and went round telling others who his mafia were. Once all his mafia were dead, he remained working as a serial killer.

Jeep - Neutral who became pro town. Jeep was a box maker that made boxes and gave them out 1 per night. 3 boxes had incredible pro town boxes, and the other box was fatal to its opener. Nice one MikeGoo....

Please check emails before posting.

19 alive meaning 10 to lynch.

[Amb]

"And in the news, Jeep was seen bemusing over his boxes. This news story would have been a hell of a lot more interesting had the main character not died. C.Kent"

[ralphmerridew]

*gets out of bed, and pours a big cup of joe*

[Darkblade]

FOS NumberTwo
Of the carver killings, we've had a 't' and a 'o'. The onlyplayer left with those letters in their username is NumberTwo

[NumberTwo]

I really think that if I was a serial killer, I wouldn't carve letters from my name on the body...

[Leonidas]

vote: Chiromancer

A letter carved on a hand leads to someone who 'reads hands'.

[Beartalon]

Note "BearTalOn".

Maybe the killer is spelling out "To Russia with Love". A unique GLer title maybe? That too would be obvious in this game, since most of yuo still have "daeldalian Member" as your title. We'll see. Whomever it is has only killed evil players so far, so I'm not going to pursue that.

In any case, two mafia dead - woohoo! but then, if the Mafia didn't kill their own traitor, then which kills belong to mafia, which to serial killers, and who else?

Since we opted to kill the Mafia Godfather, I'd like to return to the content of post #46, a treatise about Darkblade and jadesmar. I'll FOS both Darkblade and jadesmar for now, and all of those who did not vote for Trevize. I understand the "first day let him talk defense", but there has to be at least a few mafia characters in that group.

[Darkblade]

TO answer your question Numbertwo, I'm think the role doesn't let the person choose the letter they carve. Also, to explain about the wait for defense Trevise, not even a cop claim would convince me. If he opened a box that caused a note to go out that you were the Mafia Godfather, then I might have not opted to vote for him. I didn't want to say this earlier because scum could freeload this excuse. But since we know no bad boxes remain I can see it. Moving on, the fact that Beartalon volunteered the fact he has 't' and 'o' in his name makes him in my eyes more likly to be innocent, at least of the carvings.

[jadesmar]

Umm.. Beartalon. May I draw your attention to post 64. I did vote for Trevise.

Then allow me to point at Post 28, 29 and 40 for the entire story on that vote.

Post 46 is just Courk getting a little over anxious.

[Vegtable2001]

I've got another possibility. The person can choose what letter they carve. They could well be framing somone.

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Flame Away

[Green Crayons]

...What, amb?

[Beartalon]

Thanks jadesmar - I will go back and read them again.

[Beartalon]

Vegt, if so, what do you think they're doing? Anagramming a name, a title or something more obscure?

Names with T & O: Beartalon, NumberTwo, and Vegtable2001 (if 0 and O can be the same)
Titles with T & O: Planky (is getting board), The Levite (Tribal Freeloader), RubberDuck (You're the one), Courk (Saviour of Manatees).

How much money do you want to bet that the killer is spelling "TOWN"?

jadesmar, I just read them all again. Well, wasn't that clarifying. Wish I'd paid more attention to the context.

UnFOS: Darkblade and jadesmar

[Vegtable2001]

I have no idea what their spelling, but whatever it is cannot necessarily be trusted. Whatever hint could be intentional from the killer, or something from the mod they have no choice in.

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Flame Away

[Planky]

Just another idea to throw in, what if the victim has the last letter of the guys name whom chose to kill him/her. That would mean Polotet killed himself(because he had the only "t" as the last letter, but then why would he kill himself?), and now Maca was killed with a "O" carved in his hand, that could mean either Neo, Mikegoo(dead), or numbertwo.

But it doesnt make sense why Polotet would kill himself. If it is a framer, why would he frame the person he was going to take out? Wouldnt it benefit him/her to frame an alive player?

Ack. To much thinking, Im going back to bed

[Ferris]

A few observations:

Four deaths is way too many, even though one of them (the 'bad' box) is now known to no longer pose a threat.

The only player who hasn't posted since confirming is Beaudoin.

A lot of talk is being generated over the possible meaning of these 'letters'. Speculation isn't likely to get us anywhere at this stage - there's too many possibilities - so I feel that it's better to concentrate on the basics of the game: vote/posting analysis, rather than ambiguous clues, until better evidence comes to light.

[Vegtable2001]

I'll agree with that Ferris, but where do we go from here? What other leads do we have?

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Flame Away

[Ferris]

Well, one small thing I picked up on was Chiromancer's vote for jadesmar in Reply 49.

It struck me at the time that it wasn't a true 'random' vote, but I'll admit that neither was it a true 'slip onto a bandwagon unnoticed' vote.

I'll Vote: Chiromancer purely as an incentive for him to explain his actions.

[Chiromancer]

Actually, it was a fairly 'blatant bandwagoning' vote. Nothing slippy and unnoticed about it. I generally can't tell when jadesmar is scum and when he's not, so that makes him a better target for bandwagoning.

Not sure what to do today yet. Thinking.

[jadesmar]

Hmm.. I should work on that, perhaps a series of .sig files which I can change when I am scum and when I am not.

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Not scum. ;)

[Beaudoin]

Hi.

The reason I didn't say anything yesterday is that I felt that the information against Trevize seemed a little too conveinent. What are the chances a priest-type role got a guilty job right away? I was thinking it was more likely a frame job. Before I could say anything about it, though, he was lynched. And this is the first time I've been able to get online since day broke.

I would have to agree that the letters spelling out the killers name/title would be too obvious. Basically, I agree with Ferris. I'm curious to what Planky means, though, by

[Planky]

Everyone else was throwing ideas around about the letters, so I threw mine in - doesnt mean I wrote the role