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Courk · Daedalian Member

Spart is found bludgeoned to death in the Ballroom, via the pipe.

Darkblade is found hanging in the Hall.

Spart = Rev. Green, mason recruiter

Darkblade = Prof. Gunmetal, ~~townie~~ mason

It is now day. 4 living, 3 needed to lynch. Enjoy.

Werebear · Daedalian Member

Two evil, and neither one is me. The town is screwed, especially since you're going to decide to lynch me in the end.

Before anyone else posts, I'll bet $100 that I'm neither mafia, nor cult. Please feel free to take the bet before you lynch me. Leonidas? You in?

Werebear · Daedalian Member

FINAL LIST

code:

Hitchhiker  claims Ms. Indigo innocent by Leonidas innocent by Mac


Leonidas    claims Ms. Peacock - Chief of Police


Werebear    claims Mr. Lime - townie innocent by Leonidas


Taflinel    claims Mr. Ivory, townie, checked by Leonidas night 9

it's obvious that there's one cult recruit and one mafia left. If Leonidas is innocent, then HH is Scarlett (godmother) and Taflinel is cult - and Leonidas can't find cult (we HAVE had three other cops die). If Leonidas has been recruited by the cult, then HH is still Scarlett, because Leonidas would be more than happy to hand over the opposing killer. *sigh* either way it's not a town win. Is' obvious the cult spent the first part of the game recruiting.

You know what? I'd rather have the cult win than the mafia. So if we can find Miss Scarlett, then I'll vote her, and we'll have the cult win. How's that sound? The town is dead anyways, might as well pick who I want to win.

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

I'm here. I will only have last night's investigation result on Monday when I access my email. Since I've already investigated that player, I'm not really hoping for a miracle. But we'll see.

Something I don't understand: the coordination of the murders. How they succeeded to synchronize the murders of both masons is really amazing. What if the mason recruiter was killed while recruiting ? Whom did he say he would recruit last night ?

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Oh God - he told Darkblade, but not the Town.

Ghost of Sparticus · Icarian Member

*haunts the evil member(s) of the town...you know who you are*

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I was Sparticus.

[This message has been edited by Ghost of Sparticus (edited 10-25-2003 02:04 PM).]

Taflinel · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:26 pm Post subject: 647

I think Leo is the most powerful investigative role, being the Chief of Police. Not allowing him to investigate half the bad guys would be too weird. It's not like he's a retired cop or a mafia hunter etc.
The synchronised decisions of evil dudes is indeed weird, but I guess it can be attributed to coincidence more than to anything else. Anyway, we've lost our masons, so there's nothing to gain from conspiracy theories.
I'll wait for Leo's result as I'll be reading the thread once more. I guess most of the arguments will be based on that result.

Ta ta

Hitchhiker · Finally got a ride.

I'll wait for Leo's result too. Just for the record...I'm not Miss Scarlett. But somebody here must be.

Werebear · Daedalian Member

Either Tafinel is, or you are, HH. Peacock is a color that can't be left out, and the color doesn't scream mafia - but Leonidas could be cult. *shrug* Either way, I'd prefer the cult win, and am voting WITH the cult AGAINST the mafia. OK, let me have some more fun, especially since I was out drinking for the past few hours.

I am innocent town, and am willing to bet on it.

Leonidas is not Scarlett, as Peacock should be in the game.

That leaves HH or Tafinel as Scarlett. Now, Leonidas is either TOWN or CULT. Either way, if he investigated Tafinel night 9, and found her as mafia, (geesh, I hope both HH and Tafinel aren't mafia) then he would have denounced her. Possibilities: Tafinel was recruited night 9? Leonidas can't detect cult? either way, HH is definitely one of the two. Cultie! Let me know, I'm on your side!

I think I need another beer. Or two.

Hitchhiker · Finally got a ride.

That's right. I forgot that Leo could be town or cult. I was thinking we have four left: 1 cop, 1 mafia don, 1 townie, 1 cult. Nice and simple.

But if Leo was recruited, we could have four left like this: 1 cop/cult, 1 mafia, 2 townies. Or: 1 cop/cult, 1 regular cult, 1 mafia, 1 townie. Or -- if mafia can be recruited, and not kill the recruiter -- 1 cop/cult, 1 mafia/cult, and 2 townies. Though that last idea's kind of crazy, I guess, because mafia and cult are different "teams" with different goals.

Taflinel · Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:24 am Post subject: 651

Hitchhiker · Finally got a ride.

Great! We're all townies, so Leonidas is the cult, mafia, doc, SK, and chief of police, playing all by himself. Case solved.

But seriously: somebody's cult (possibly Leo) and somebody's Scarlett (almost certainly not Leo), and it's not me. Now what?

Ghost of Sparticus · Icarian Member

*sits on sideline, sipping a Pepsi and waving a "Go Spourk!" banner*

Taflinel · Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:02 pm Post subject: 654

Werebear · Daedalian Member

You know, I really loathe "You quote me quote you quote me" posts, but here is a really ugly one anyways.

quote:
Werebear: Either Tafinel is, or you are, HH.
Taflinel: No, no, no. It's either you or HH.

Except I'm willing to bet anyone $100 that I'm not Scarlett. Feel free to take the bet.

quote:
Werebear: if he investigated Tafinel night 9, and found her as mafia
1. Try having my name on a big poster on your wall when you're drinking. It helps spelling it.
2. You write on your "FINAL LIST" that I was simply checked on night 9. I was checked and found innocent, as the truth is.
3. If Leo is innocent, why wouldn't he reveal a mafia? If he is cult, why wouldn't he reveal a mafia, establish his innocence and play easily the rest of the game?
4 and most important. I never supported the "sex" tag in profiles, but right now I'm proposing we get something RIGHT UNDER our usernames.

1) Apologies for the name mythspeeling. I have always had to correct myself when spelling your name, for some reason the second L doesn't register. Don't get nasty about it.
2) I didn't think it necessary to say "Checked night 9 - innocent". If he had declared you scum, you wouldn't be on the list.
3) That was a point I was arguing, thank you. He had no reason to cover for you. That was why I was wondering if he found cult. Do I really have to include the disclaimer that that doesn't mean you ARE cult?
4) Apologies again. I try not to make this social gaffe, but for some reason I have always thought you were female, and noone has corrected me yet. This will not happen again.

quote:
Werebear: Tafinel was recruited night 9?
Taflinel: The cult recruiter died that night. I was both checked and recruited also?

Actually, the kill night 9 should mean you weren't recruited. I was just thinking out possibilities.

quote:
Werebear: Cultie! Let me know, I'm on your side!
Taflinel: Let's see if (s)he'll bite, unless you're going for the big trick...

What big trick? Am I going to pull a town win out of nowhere? The town is dead. I'd prefer the cult to win than the mafia. *shrug*

quote:
Werebear: I think I need another beer. Or two.
Taflinel: If it drinks you, don't drink it.

Werebear · Daedalian Member

I hate it when I hit enter after entering my password, and it posts my message. Just pretend I put something terribly witty after your drinking comment.

Taflinel · Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:12 pm Post subject: 657

WB: Your apologies are accepted only if you accept my own for a stupid reply concerning grudges for trivial stuff, like spelling. My manners these last few weeks leave much to be desired. I'm one of the last people who should be allowed to criticise drinking.

I won't do a "quote-quote-quote" post, but I'll address your main points.

Your bet: When we'll see Leo's result (if it is what I guess, of course), I think I'll bet anyone several euros that you're not Scarlett. But you may still be cult.

The kill night 9 rules out this possibility.

Big trick=You're Scarlett, cultie comes out, off with his/her head, mafia wins.

Werebear · Daedalian Member

"The Bet" includes cult.

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

I'm here - I have my investigation result.

One question, Werebear:
Does the bet include SK as well ?

Werebear · Daedalian Member

Unvote: Hitchhiker Vote: Werebear

And, for the record, "I bet anyone still playing $100 that I am not cult, mafia, mason, or serial killer - I am Mr. Lime, townie." You going to take me up on the bet, Leonidas? *evil grin*

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Werebear... I found you innocent.

vote: Taflinel

Sorry, Taf - Hitchhiker has been cleared by two different investigators, Werebear has been cleared by two different investigations - and Sparticus was extremely adamant on getting you lynched.

Courk · Daedalian Member

Werebear - 1 - (Werebear)
Taflinel - 1 - (Leonidas)

Werebear · Daedalian Member

Leonidas, I think you need to vote for me. Think about it. Vote patriotic! Vote Werebear!

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Do not tempt me Werebear.

Besides, if we vote you and you are indeed a townie, you'll get too much satisfaction out of your own death. I certainly do not want that to happen...

Taf is my first choice at the moment. But if you can come up with a rational argument as to why I should change my vote to HH, you, or me, I'm happy to listen.

Taflinel · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:18 am Post subject: 665

When I was checking the thread, I think I had found a vote for Leo more logical. Of course, this is not a OMGUS vote. I'd love to back it up but right now my mood and state of mind are not appropriate for any arguments, so I'll see you all tomorrow morning...

Ta ta

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Thanks for proving my point... Scarlett.

Werebear · Daedalian Member

Elementary, my dear Leonidas. Let me tell you a story.

You and your two neighbors couldn't STAND each other... so the three of you decide to have a Truel - a three way duel. You are each given a gun, and are standing in a triangle, 50 feet apart. You three will take turns shooting until only one is left.

NOW... if YOU shoot at a target 50 feet away, you will hit it 1/3 of the time. Neighbor 1 would hit it 2/3 of the time. Neighbor 2 is an expert marksman, he would hit the target 3/3 times. To compensate for this, you have been given first shot. You're standing there with your gun, who do you shoot at?

Werebear · Daedalian Member

The answer posted, invisible. PLEASE try and figure it out yourself.

You shoot at the ground. If you actually hit one of them, chances are you're going to have a beter marksman aimed at you. If you miss, one of them will kill the other one, and it will be your turn again.

Why did I tell you that story? To get you to vote for me. Think about it. If we kill off one of the scum teams, then the other one wins. Where's the fun in that?

HOWEVER, if there's one mafia, one cult, and one townie left at night... the killers have a choice. They can kill the other killer, or the townie. Every play RAF? Here's our little happy scenarios:

Mafia kills cult, cult kills mafia. Town wins.
Mafia kills townie, cult kills mafia. Cult wins.
Mafia kills cult, cult kills townie. Mafia wins.
Mafia kills townie, cult kills townie. Next day, 1 mafia, 1 cult, noone wins.

But wait, you say, two of those scenarios result in the killers winning. Yes, that's right, whichever killing party is stupid enough to kill the townie loses automatically, unless they BOTH are stupid enough, in which case noone wins. Which would suit me fine too.

Of course, if there's two cult left, or two mafia (which I doubt), then all this is for naught, but then again, what do I have to lose?

*evil giggle*

Taflinel · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:46 am Post subject: 669

If you want to think so, then think again.
And oh so sincere thanks for reading my post above.

quote:
vote: Taflinel
Sorry, Taf - Hitchhiker has been cleared by two different investigators, Werebear has been cleared by two different investigations - and Sparticus was extremely adamant on getting you lynched.

Since they have been "cleared", that means they are not cult for sure. We know we still haven't caught the mafia godmother Scarlett, who should (with normal rules) be immune to cop investigations. Has that occurred to you or you're just trying to hide it? Sparticus was adamant on lynching because he thought I was cult. But you chose to investigate me the night before and you proved that I'm innocent. Either way, I was checked after the cult recruiter died. We've already been through that, if you could spend some time reading the past few pages.
If you are indeed accusing me of being Scarlett, I don't see why I should be more of a suspect than the other two. They have done nothing to prove the opposite. If you read the thread, their voting patterns are definitely more weak.

How come you haven't caught one cult member all these nights?
Not a single cult member, only mafias. What? Bad luck?
I say it is because you're damn cult.

My only problem is that by voting for you and possibly lynching you, I ruin that slim chance this town has of surviving. My guess is that you are cult and one of HH, WB is the GF. So, I'll vote for one of them. If I get the GF, then you get an easy win. If I don't, you have one night where you can choose to kill me or the Gf. But the GF will also choose between me and you...

So, I'll vote: Werebear and wait for HH...

Ta ta

Werebear · Daedalian Member

Oh, and Taflinel, the bet is a REAL bet. Feel free to take it. If you're right, I will mail you $100.

Taflinel · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:48 am Post subject: 671

Of course, the whole post was for Leonidas...

Ta ta

Taflinel · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:49 am Post subject: 672

Werebear, stop posting while I post!
As you see, I'm on your side of the bet...

Ta ta

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Truels are freak games, Werebear - there is usually no compensation for being lame with pistols.

But I know the riddle, and I would shoot in the air.

Anyway, if I understand your cryptic riddle correctly, Taf and yourself are evil.
I find it quite unfortunate that I was unable to detect TWO different killers.
I mean, with a cult, a SK, a strong mafia, and Werebear's role (since I believe Taf to be Scarlett the GF, and have no... clue... as to WB being SK or cult), the Town really had no chance - even with four investigators.

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Taflinel, yes, I am accusing you of being Scarlett - Macadamiaman must have had a purpose in life, and he cleared HH. He never cleared you.

I find it strange that you should propose to vote for me, knowing I'm indeed Peacock, when Scarlett is at large. And then, suddenly, you switch to Werebear, telling him you are on his side of the bet.

You know, re-reading the description of the cult recruiter's death: he was killed by the pipe, and also had rope burns around his neck. What do you make of this ?

HH: Do NOT vote Werebear. Do NOT vote Werebear. Scarlett has bonus kills - just as I had bonus investigations - we can't afford to let her reach the night.

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Sorry for the triple-post.

Fact 1: the rope was used to kill cult (Reply 604).

Fact 2: the rope was used to commit the second crime on the same night (Reply 604).
Conclusion: the cult did not kill on that night.

Fact 3: see reply 558. On that night, Orbiting, mason, was hung. The other death was a cultist.

The town awakens to find Orbiting dead in the hall. She was hung.
Chuck is also found dead, in the ballroom, via the candlestick.
Orb - Mrs. Navy, townie mason
Chuck - Professor Aqua-marine, townie cultist
It is now day, vote.

Conclusion: the cult did not kill on that night either.

General conclusion: the cult probably does not kill, and anyway someone else is reponsible for two kills per night.

Corollary. Either GF + SK, or GF alone (with bonus kills) is responsible for the murders.

Fact 4: I had bonus investigations.

Fact 5: Both masons were murdered last night. What a coordination.

Final conclusion: confirm vote: Taflinel

Courk · Daedalian Member

Werebear - 2 - (Werebear, Taflinel)

Taflinel - 1 - (Leonidas)

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Werebear, I ask you to please unvote now. You can still revote yourself later. However, please read my posts first.

Hitchhiker · Finally got a ride.

Vote: Taflinel

It has to be Taflinel. I more than suspect the Bear of being cult, after he oh-so-casually announced he'd rather have the cult win than the mafia. But that means there's only one person left to be Scarlett. Sorry I wasn't here to cast this vote earlier. Join us, Werebear. Help us lynch the last remaining mafia. Please.

Leonidas · Membre Daedalien

Ok.

HH - you are infinitely cleared for not lynching Werebear in spite of having the opportunity.

My only concern is: the cult recruiter was killed with the rope (and the candlestick or pipe) - but still, the rope was used against another victim on the same night...

Taflinel · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:43 am Post subject: 680

So, we've got the bad guys voting for me?
An unusual alliance, to say the least...
Since you don't have the guts to lynch one another and win this cleverly, I guess you'd rather say that you reached an open endgame and won/lost by sheer luck.
Leo, for gOD's sake, you can't convince us that you were not responsible for the night kills. We've already found the SK and vigilante. I bet HH will even tell you right now that she didn't have night kills. You are the cultist and you are responsible for these murders.

WB, it is still your choice... You can either play their game or go for a no lynch, with one more probable night target...

Ta ta