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[Leonidas]

Taflinel, there is only one flaw in your plea...

If HH and I were the two evil guys, as you say:

Why did we not lynch Werebear when both of us had a chance ?

[Taflinel]

Because you can't talk with each other during the day?
You'd be too stupid to take the risk of voting werebear after what he has said. You decided to vote for me, as you could have chosen HH. HH being guilty, that was the sign she needed to jump on the bandwagon (of two votes) that you started...
I hope WB will act for the good of the town...

Ta ta

[Leonidas]

Ok - look Taf, quite simply, if you can sell that to Werebear, then I'm happy for you - and a little sad for him.

It's clear by now you are evil. I could not detect you so you are the Godfather (or Godmother, as it so happens). You are Miss Scarlet.

Hitchhiker was cleared by two different investigators,and did not vote Werebear when given the chance. I claimed Peacock, chief of police, day 2 or so. And did not vote Werebear. As to Werebear... Well, for a moment I thought he was trying to signal his guilt to you, in order to collude. He was voting for himself, behaving strangely... But then I understood his logic. If he is evil, then it is a superb gambit.

However, his plan assumes we are facing GF + Cultist with one kill each, which is not consistent with the description of Professor Plum's death - or the other murdered cultist's death, for that matter.

Again, it's either SK + GF or GF x 2 with bonus kills - and I would have detected SK.

[Taflinel]

Originally posted by LEO CULT CULT CULT CULT !!!!111 (JeffK strikes back ):

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It's clear by now you are evil.

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It's clear? Well, think again.
Need I remind you again that in 99,9% of mafia games the godfather is immune to night investigations? No matter how many times they are checked, or by how many investigators.
So you must agree that only one of us (HH, WB, me) can be Scarlett. But you must also agree that there is no way to know which one of us is indeed the godmother.

I never argued that you're not a cop. Don't try to present it a sign of innocence or to backup your false claims with your role. If I'm presenting a false logic, then what can be said about your logic? We've spent an entire game hunting the cult (apart from the mafia) and you're trying to convince us there is a secret SK who has stayed inactive during more than half of the game?
Come on, we're not kids, you know...

You've been helpful enough to catch the mafia but your whole behaviour proves my argument that you're cult, besides your obvious inability to find your friends in crime.

Finally, if you are not cult, why are you not voting Werebear? It's the most logical way our town can be saved.

Ta ta

[Leonidas]

Post 604 states quite clearly that the cult recruiter was killed both by the rope and the wrench. If the cult is responsible for one of these two attempts, they must have targeted their own recruiter on that night.

And I know you believe me to be a cop. That is precisely the reason you kept me alive. First to clear you. Then to find cultists and gain you time.

[Taflinel]

[Leonidas]

Sorry - me no buy... I know you have to insist on NOT being responsible for two murders per night to gain a no lynch, or even to get the Town to vote Werebear.

But the fact remains; Professor Plum died with rope burns around his neck. I am sorry - this is evidence, even if I understand why you will not accept it as such.

[Werebear]

The SK killed with a knife in the Billiard Room
The mafia killed with a wrench, a pipe, or a candlestick in the Ballroom.
The cult kills with rope, in the hall.

There are our three killing groups. The fact that the cult recruiter had rope burns on his neck means nothing to me, the cult would not kill their own recruiter.

Leonidas, if you're not cult, I'll eat all the food in my refrigerator. You are doing everything you can to muddy the waters and pretend the cult is innocent, while searching for the last mafia. *shakes head*

[Leonidas]

The fact that he died with rope burns around his neck means nothing to you ? Well, how do you think he got those burns ?

You know, it's OK to have opinions. But I am presenting you with a fact. One does not get rope burns around the neck by hanging people. One gets them by getting hanged.

And by the way, Werebear - why do you think you're not dead by now ?

[Hitchhiker]

I'm so confused...

Look, all I know is that -- unless the cult has killing abilities -- Miss Scarlett has been having two night kills. If the wrong person gets lynched, there will be three people left: Miss Scarlett and the other two, whom she will then kill. So I do NOT want to get the wrong person.

I went with my gut feeling (and the decision of the cop, which matched my feeling), and voted Taf. At this point, if Werebear were evil, he could have switched votes and gotten Taf lynched. Instead, he's keeping the discussion going.

The really fishy thing is that, as I recall, Taf came out as Mr. Ivory to disprove somebody else's claim of being Mr. Ivory (reply 549). If he's actually Scarlett, he was sacrificing one of his fellow mafia with that move. Otherwise, he's telling the truth and he is Mr. Ivory. Any ideas?

[Werebear]

HH... I went through and catalogued the night deaths for 10 nights. Every night had a death in the ballroom (the mafia kill) Night 1 had the knife kill in the Billiard room, that was DP, the SK. The kills by rope began a few nights ago, and have been consistent. Since the cult had recruiting ability, it is obvious they spent the first 7-8 days recruiting and laying low, and finally decided it was time to come out and start killing a few nights ago.

All this blather of Scarlett (or the cult) having bonus kills came from nowhere, and is being hyped up by you and Leonidas to no end. It's not working. And what does it matter if Scarlett or the cultie has SIX bonus kills? If we lynch one today, the other kills tonight and wins. Remember? If one side does have bonus kills, then big deal, the town was sunk anyways.

If you all really wish to go for a NO_LYNCH... well, let me think on it. I don't think it would hurt anything. The scum would still have to kill each other off, because if one decides no kill or townie kill, the other would finish them and win....

Right now, it looks like my initial assessment of HH being Scarlett and Leonidas being cult is right on. I was considering switching my vote to Taflinel in hopes he (see? see? I said HE) was a townie, but I don't know for SURE, so I can't take that risk. I have two votes now. If need be, I will wait for a deadline and be lynched as the first person to get two votes... then we'll see who kills whom at night.

[Leonidas]

Werebear, again, one of the most important questions in mafia is: why am I still alive.

Ex: I am alive because Taflinel needed me to clear him and to find cultists.

If HH and I are indeed the two remaining scums, why do we want to lynch Taf and not you ? Why bother ?

[Hitchhiker]

OK, Werebear's rope theory makes sense to me. So fine, nobody has bonus kills. But that means somebody is going to die tonight regardless of who gets lynched -- there will either be a mafia member or a killing cultie left alive. And they'll either kill me or the other remaining person. So I have a 50% chance of dying tonight. I'm so comforted.

[Leonidas]

I mean - people - read the bloody description of the cult recruiter's death.
Is it too much to ask ?

And noooo, I am NOT going for a no lynch, and I am NOT lynching Werebear either.

- Tried to convince the town that the cult - i.e. a black masonry - also kills at night in addition to expanding: Taf.

- Lynch happy: Taf - immediately voted Werebear, of course.

- Coordinated last night's deaths of Darkblade and Sparticus: Taf.

- Heavily fingered by Sparticus: Taf.

[Courk]

Werebear - 2 - (Werebear, Taflinel)
Taflinel - 2 - (Leonidas, Hitchhiker)


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Long live the Thylacines!

[Taflinel]

quote:

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I mean - people - read the bloody description of the cult recruiter's death.
Is it too much to ask ? And noooo, I am NOT going for a no lynch, and I am NOT lynching Werebear either.

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Woohoo... What's wrong, Leo? You're starting to feel a little threatened? You finally understood that your ploy has been revealed. Of course you're not going for either of these because they don't fit your plan. We know you...

[Leonidas]

All right, I'll wait for Werebear to turn his brain on, wait until the grey cells are warm, and tell us why he's not lynched by now. If HH and I were the two remaining evils, we could not care less.

[Werebear]

Funny, Leonidas. Very funny. Your acidic comments are no end of delight to me. Why would I want to make you stop?

In case I used too long of words for you, I'll summarize.

I'm gambling on there being one left of each group. That way they have to finish each other off tonight. Either that, or one group can get this far, and give up by killing the last townie. The only way to make sure I don't accidentally kill a townie is to have me be the one lynched. And you know what? If I'm wrong, what have I lost? Would the town lose because of this move? No, the town is dead already. So I'm having fun, and seeing if I can pull a town win out of my fat furry... er, I mean, out of thin air. *laugh*

[Leonidas]

Yes - because you rigidly assume the two kills do not come from the same player. If they do, you are screwing the town.

But let's assume you're right. There are two killers.
Now let us suppose it's HH and me. Then we have had ample time to kill you, and couldn't care less anyway - you or Taf, what difference ?

So Taf is definitely evil. And he is pushing for either a no lynch or your lynch. Why.

[Leonidas]

Because if he reaches night, he wins.

[Leonidas]

Do you want to bet Taflinel is responsible for the two-kills per night we've seen last night and the night before ?

[Werebear]

And you're not evil, Leonidas? Then why are you trying to get a killing party lynched when it will lose the game for the town? Do you really think the cult aren't evil? We've had two kills the past few nights, consistent kills, not "bonus" kills, and you're not worried about the cult?!

*shakes head*

[Leonidas]

(Note: I will only honor the bet if you are what you say you are - a boring townie).

[Leonidas]

I have offered a bet. Period. I will honor the bet if you are what you say you are - a townie.

Taf is responsible for the two kills per night. Please, ask yourself why you are not lynched by now. And I never said the cult is not evil. I believe that the cult is an expanding masonhood trying to gain majority, just like the masons, but evil. The cult recruiter was hanged, for crying out loud.

[Werebear]

First, kindly stop triple posting every 5 minutes.

Second, kindly tell me what nice benevolent activity the cult is involved in, as long as you know all about them.

[Leonidas]

(Please see above).

So - if you're a townie - I'm betting... what... 50 bucks, that Taf is responsible for the recent two-kills per night.

Please accept, and then fell free to screw the game as big time as it gets.

[Werebear]

Oh, and the cult recruiter was NOT HANGED. READ THE CAUSE OF DEATH. "Rope burns" do not mean "Broken neck" or "suffocation".... the recruiter was killed by the mafia. CLEARLY by the mafia. Not "Hanged in the hall, then dragged in the ballroom and beaten with a pipe". Not "Beaten with a wrench in the ballroom, then dragged into the hall and hanged". Killed by mafia. Case closed.

You know what? It's even possible Scarlett could double kill if on her own. But then you're trying to explain how innocent the cult is. *shakes head* Sorry. No dice.

[Werebear]

and you posted again!

I only take/give sure bets. No bet. And as I said before, with two killing parties, and you have yet to tell me how the cult that recruits isn't a killing group... with two killing parties, I could care less if one side has a nuclear warhead, the town is dead if one of the killing parties is lynched. If Taflinel is Scarlett with double kills and we lynch her, it's making it all the easier for the cult to mop up.

Still no dice.

[Leonidas]

I'm simply offering a bet. Then - yes - go on with your gamble that there are two individual killers, and that by getting yourself lynched, you're helping in any way.

(Come on, Werebear. You were more courageous when first we bet in Star Wars).

[Werebear]

and to complete my triple post, good night, it's 11:30, I'm tired. *laugh*

I couldn't resist.

[Leonidas]

All right. Good night.

I think we should go to deadline, now, unless HH wants to change her vote in any way.
I won't.

Congrats Taf - but you were somewhat over-equipped, if you'll know my views.

[Werebear]

you did it again!!!

And when I bet in Star Wars, I was betting that I was Princess Leia. Courageous?! It was a sure thing.

I'm going to sleep. Feel free to explain your view on the cult any time.

OVer and out.

[Leonidas]

All right. Good night.

I think we should go to deadline, now, unless HH wants to change her vote in any way.
I won't.

Congrats Taf - but you were somewhat over-equipped, if you'll know my views.

[Hitchhiker]

Werebear...you're not sure enough of your own innocence to vote for somebody besides yourself?

Originally posted by Werebear in post 690:

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I was considering switching my vote to Taflinel in hopes he (see? see? I said HE) was a townie, but I don't know for SURE, so I can't take that risk.

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...so you'd like to kill a townie? What?

Originally posted by Werebear in post 697:

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The only way to make sure I don't accidentally kill a townie is to have me be the one lynched.

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...so you're not a townie? What?

And nobody...not Leo nor Werebear nor Taf himself...has explained why, if Taflinel is Scarlett, he would have deliberately screwed one of his own mafia. Or why Lime is a more plausible color than Ivory. After reviewing all this in my head, I'd like to vote Werebear, if I didn't think it would give him entirely too much satisfaction. But I think I will be changing my vote soon.

[Hitchhiker]

*reads all the posts that were posted while I was posting my previous post*

Good grief. You guys type your insane ramblings REALLY fast.

[Leonidas]

Feel free to change. I'm not changing.

I'll die... fingering the Godmother. Glorious.

Taf - I prefer to be hanged, by the way.

[Hitchhiker]

You don't actually know it's Taf. You're just surmising, because the Bear passed your most recent investigation. And he's acting really weird, whereas Taf is acting the way an innocent person would -- by going after the person he thinks is guilty, even though that's the only person not voting against him.

(not sure if I'm playing devil's advocate or what)

[Leonidas]

He screwed his mafia friend to get the two night kills, HH... and to look innocent.
But - if, as I think, he is the GF - he is one Hell of a player.

vote: deadline

[Hitchhiker]

Werebear! Wake up your fat furry fanny and vote for somebody besides yourself!

[Leonidas]

Let him sleep. He's a bear, and it's almost winter. Shhh.
Vote deadline with me, and let's finish this. I'm tired.