Mini Game Q2 - DAY 2 (game abandoned, post roles)

[Robinson]

Robinson.

Yes, sire?

Tell me a story.

What kind of story, sire?

Any kind.

About a king and a princess, sire?

Not any kind, then. A story of murder.

Murder, of course, sire.

And deception. Betrayal. Villains. Heroes. Good conquering evil, you know, the usual stuff.

I will tell you a story from another place, sire. It is a story of beauty, of purity, of occasional sharp glances towards the past. A story of what is and a story of what is not.

Yes, good, keep going. Deaths?

As with all stories of murder there will be deaths.

This story begins with twelve different people, in the same small neighborhood in the same small Town, in Verona. In the dark country.

Verona? I said no Romeo and Juliet, Robinson.

Not that Verona. Trust me.

If I recall correctly, Robinson, that was the one thing I could not do.

Yet in the end I finished the story, sire.

Very well, Robinson. Begin your story. I will not interrupt you.



[This message has been edited by ralphmerridew (edited 12-15-2003 05:26 PM).]

[Robinson]

INTRODUCTION

The dark country. The Town of Verona. A small part of a small Town, insignificant. Twelve inhabitants. People who've made their own life in their own way, and there are probably hundreds of stories in Verona, altogether.

This one's about strange deaths. Deaths which no one can fathom, a hidden purpose which seems somehow predetermined but yet indescribably out-of-sight. About people you can trust, and people you can’t.

Ordinary men and women. No miracle healers here, no men with superhuman strength, no women whose eyes see right through you.

And it’s not Romeo and Juliet. Trust me.

THE CAST

DMTsurel
Gaspode
groza528 (formerly Vegtable2001)
Improbable
ralphmerridew (formerly the Macnut)
mole
Planky
The Cruciverbalist
Werebear (formerly FaerieFire)

THE RULES

I'm telling a story. Stories, like all other things, are bound by rules, even a fantasy story like this one. Can you trust me? Probably not. Can you trust quercitron? Absolutely. But trust isn't the issue with the rules; that's duty, responsibility.

Should you need to lynch, that's by a simple majority. When a majority is reached, that's the end as soon as I continue the story. And when I continue the story it moves into Night. Night's when you're asleep. I talk. You listen.

You talk to each other in public, here. Everyone listens to everyone else. You don't talk privately unless you already know you can.

If you don't want to lynch anyone, you don't have to.

quercitron's like God. He has the power. If he sends you something, don't quote it. Don't abuse it. It's your revelation. I'm just the storyteller. Feel free to quote anything I say. It's your story.

THE GRAVEYARD

BigORamo (Oscar) - a writer. May he rest in peace.
Polotet (Mike) - a nice guy. May he rest in peace.

Darkblade (Meg) - a loner. May she rest in peace.



[This message has been edited by Robinson (edited 07-30-2003 11:54 PM).]

[quercitron]

Here's the short version of the story as Robinson told it.

• This is not Romeo and Juliet
• People will probably die.

And here's something from me, not Robinson...

When I declare you dead, no talking, no matter what. If you have any issues or don't understand something, you talk to ME via EMAIL, NOT in the thread.

[Robinson]

Day 1.

What happened, Robinson?

The Town awoke to artificial dawn;
no sun could rise, no morning star give light
to these sad tidings: Polotet, named Mike,
had fallen to chthonic –

I'm going to count to ten, Robinson, and you're going to take away every iamb from your speech by the time I get there.

Er. Sorry, sire. Polotet was found in his house, shot in the head. An autopsy revealed copious amounts of liquor in his body, so it's probable he never knew what hit him. Everyone knew him as Mike – an all around nice guy who sometimes had one too many drinks.

So they were saddened.

Yes, sire. They decided that one of their own was responsible for the killing, perhaps the rumored Montague Mafia who –

Idiot Bard! Did I not tell you no Romeo and Juliet!

The, er, fabled, Gontamue Mafia. But they were only a rumor, and there was no evidence of them even existing, anywhere. They decided the only thing to do was to start talking, trying to reason things out, then –

Lynch.

Yes, sire.

Continue.

Sire, those were the events of the first Night. But many of the Townspeople knew more than they were letting on...

IT IS NOW DAY 1. CHECK YOUR EMAILS. SIX TO LYNCH.

[MacadamiamaN]

I wandered around town last night and noticed Polotet was drinking a great deal at a local pub.

[MacadamiamaN]

Oops, hit enter by mistake.

I also have a lead on mole, because he drove Polotet home that night. Anyone else can confirm this?

[Darkblade]

I can tell you mole was up last night

[Gaspode]

Hmm, sounds like mole was very active last night (at least two events, maybe more...). There's something weird about this whole thing.

What can you tell us, mole?

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You can't lose if you win.

[Darkblade]

Just noticed something else in my e-mail. Polotet's house was locked from all sides and there appeared to be no break-ins. This means he was killed while he was out. Since he was with mole last...

Vote: mole

Die scum die

[The Cruciverbalist]

Originally posted by Robinson:

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Polotet was found in his house

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I'd say this makes your theory questionable. But then, we aren't supposed to trust Robinson, so...

[The Cruciverbalist]

Right. I just had a few more thoughts.

Since there weren't any break-ins, nobody entered the house after the doors were locked. If Potolet was the one who locked the doors, this means that the only person who could have killed Potolet was Potolet himself. If someone other than Potolet locked the doors (say, on the way out) then that person more than likely killed Potolet.

Oh, and I believe mole is innocent. I have my reasons.

[Gaspode]

FOS: Darkblade and/or Robinson (whichever one is wrong ). I find it unlikely that Robinson would lie about a detail like Polotet being found in his house, but you never know.

MOD QUESTION: Can we trust the fact that Robinson says Polotet was found in his house, and can we trust our emails?

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You can't lose if you win.

[Gaspode]

Sorry for the double post, but I have a worrisome idea:

What if there's a role out there that can change all of our choices to a certain person or do something else to that effect? It's highly unlikely, but then again how likely is it that everyone who talked so far picked mole?

Also, Double FOS: Darkblade because not only does he apparently have wrong info (which could be made up to rush a lynch), but it seems that he chose/was with/was near Polotet last night.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Vegtable2001]

Just a bit here to englighten everyone to how Q1 worked. Alot of people would witness a night event. What happened was, Quercitron would find out how many night events there were, and then randomly assign an event for each person to witness. People going out looking for clues can be the event another searcher witnesses.

Originally posted by darkblade:

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Just noticed something else in my e-mail. Polotet's house was locked from all sides and there appeared to be no break-ins. This means he was killed while he was out. Since he was with mole last...

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Why would an honest townsman be checking on locks? Perhaps a thief? An assasin? Just hypothesizing here.

[Planky]

[Darkblade]

I don't think Robinson is lying per say. I'm guessing the only thing Robinson is told is something along the lines of "Polotet is dead. He was Mike, a drunken good fellow" Robinson probably doesn't know about actual events and just makes some up for the story. Why else would quercitron explicitly tell us that Robinson isn't 100% accurate?

Also, FOS: The Cruciverbalist At first, he regonized the fact that Robinson may be wrong, then he shifts his position and assumes Robinson is 100% accurate and that Polotet had to have died in his house had makes various arguements based on that assumption. What a very suspicious shift. Also, saying that "you have your reasons" to believe mole is innocent is kinda pointless; for all we know, you are scum with him.

[b]FOS: Gaspode for using utter crap logic. Again, I reiterate, it is not established that Robinson is 100% true. If this were the case, we wouldn't have a disclaimer from quercitron himself. He also makes the suggestion that I am mafia who is spewing bad information is get an innocent lynched. What utter garbage. A mafia member sacrificing himself to get an innocent lynched on the first day would be a terrible play, as the town clearly has the advantage number-wise. Furthermore, he says that I was near Polotet, and that is scummy. Where the heck did you pull that from? I examinated his house that had no lights on and was locked.

[Darkblade]

Yeah, there was a tag issue there, and sorry for the double post, but I just wanted to respond to Veg, who psoted while I was typing. The e-mail said all of Polotet's windows and the door was locked. Whether the windows being locked was determined by sight or by testing every window, I do not know. The e-mail didn't say.

[The Cruciverbalist]

Originally posted by Darkblade:

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At first, he regonized the fact that Robinson may be wrong, then he shifts his position and assumes Robinson is 100% accurate and that Polotet had to have died in his house had makes various arguements based on that assumption.

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I made no assumption about Robinson's accuracy. I made an assumption about your accuracy about the locked doors, as well as the assumption that someone would have noticed if someone lugged a corpse into a house, locked the doors, and left.

And the mole thing... Yeah, you're right. It's pointless without backing it up, but I'm new at this, and I'm not sure if backing it up is a step I ought to take at the moment.

[Robinson]

You know, Robinson, I've been thinking. How did the Town get into Polotet's house to figure out he was dead?

They went in through the front door, sire.

What, someone had a key?

It had been kicked down during the Night, sire.

No one heard that?

Um, it had been kicked down quietly, sire.

[quercitron]

If your emails are signed "querci," you can trust them. If they are signed "Robinson," trust is an issue.

Clarification: there is a timeline at Night. Things happen at different times. For example, it is entirely possible Polotet was killed after every other Night event, and it is equally possible that he was killed in between some of them. Be cautious.

-q

[The Cruciverbalist]

Well.

I think we can pretty much rule out suicide, unless Potolet lost his key and didn't feel like calling a locksmith.

[BigORamo]

I didnt receive an email... I thought I would, but anyway I kinda am starting to know Darkblade's technique in these mafia games, and he is a hard fellow to believe. He lies so well and he makes up such reailistic logic its hard not to trust him.

And the logic he is spweing is so believable... anyway FOS: Darkblade for being so believable

[mole]

What can I tell you? Okay, Polotet got smashed, so I offered to drive him home. I did so, and then immediately returned to my house in time to meet someone who was visiting me there. And there I stayed until this morning.

[Gaspode]

OMG, Darkblade. First of all, I'm not allowed to toss around two or three ideas at once? My basic point was that there were plenty of different ways that you could be scum in this situation. I wasn't implying that all of them were true; that would be idiotic, as some contradict others. But I believed it was worth it to tell the town my ideas and give them some new things to think about.

As for the Robinson thing, I was just saying that IF Robinson was telling the truth, there was a good chance that you were scum who was spewing fake evidence. But we can now nullify that idea because we know that you could've checked Polotet's locks before his house was broken into (based on the timeline post from querci).

Originally posted by Darkblade:

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Furthermore, he says that I was near Polotet, and that is scummy. Where the heck did you pull that from?

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Umm, maybe the fact that Polotet is now dead? What is so hard to understand about this concept? You went into his house, he died. Now, we don't know that you were there at the time of his death, but isn't it more likely that you (someone whose night choice ended up dead) killed him than somebody like me (or anybody else who didn't pick Polotet), whose night choice is alive and well?

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You can't lose if you win.

[Improbable]

mole: What was the nature of your visitation?

[Darkblade]

Hmmm, after reading querci's lastest post, I think it's a possibility that I saw Pololet's house when he was out and before he was killed. But until we get more information from other witnesses (HINT HINT), we can't know for sure.

Originally posted by "The Cruciverbalist":

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I made no assumption about Robinson's accuracy.

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Originally posted by "The Cruciverbalist":

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If Potolet was the one who locked the doors, this means that the only person who could have killed Potolet was Potolet himself

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This statement completely ignores the fact that Pololet could have locked the doors on the way out and got shot on the way home. Your statement had the hidden premise that Pololet was killed in his house, which assumes Robinson is infallible. While you don't explicitly state that Robinson is infallible, you implicitly state it.

Originally posted by "Ramo":

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I didnt receive an email... I thought I would, but anyway I kinda am starting to know Darkblade's technique in these mafia games, and he is a hard fellow to believe. He lies so well and he makes up such reailistic logic its hard not to trust him.
And the logic he is spweing is so believable... anyway FOS: Darkblade for being so believable

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I guess I should be flattered. Even though I'm the only one in Mini mini mafia to have played all the games and not won once

Originally posted by "mole":

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What can I tell you? Okay, Polotet got smashed, so I offered to drive him home. I did so, and then immediately returned to my house in time to meet someone who

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Who did you meet? If you could tell us, we could confirm your innocense for the time being and get a clue to when certain events happen. OR we could catch you in a lie

Originally posted by "Gaspode":

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You went into his house, he died. Now, we don't know that you were there at the time of his death, but isn't it more likely that you (someone whose night choice ended up dead) killed him than somebody like me (or anybody else who didn't pick Polotet), whose night choice is alive and well?

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What?! I didn't go into his house! Where are you pulling that from? Also, your last statement kinda gives you away. 60-70% of roles are townie-esqe type roles (assuming similar set-up to Mini Game Q1) who only choose between wander and don't wander. I didn't choose Polotet; I chose wander, and went to mole's house, saw he was up, then went to another house (I'll reveal it when I think it is nessesary), then went to Pololet's house. Your statement proves you aren't a townie. A good percentage of non-townies roles are mafia scum.

Increase Degree of FOS: Gaspode

Now I have to get back to work. Mafia is so much more enjoyable than work...

[BigORamo]

Glad Darkblade is smart... Cuz I my choice is to wander, but I didnt get an email yet

Anyway very good catch vote: Gaspode cuz he has a role where you can pick a person at night. BTW the vote is to put heat on him. I see his explaination later. I am going to Canada in one day I will have internet access there but it will be a 14 hr drive. WAIT! I like to drive! WEEEEE!

[mole]

I'm certain Gaspode wasn't anywhere near Polotet - he was at my house. I believe he can back up my story - he remained with me for the rest of the night.

[Improbable]

Good.

Gaspode last night: she accessed mole's house using a key. mole returned soon after this.

I would like to know what objective Gaspode was acting on though.

[The Cruciverbalist]

Not much I can add at this point that hasn't already been said. Darkblade, I see your point. Remember, though, I'm new at this.

[Faeriefire]

I'm just letting you know I'm here and reading. Unfortunately, I don't have any useful information from last night.

[mole]

Time to sort out a very important issue of timing.

Darkblade, was I "up" in my house at the time of your visit?

[Darkblade]

Your bedroom light was on when I passed

[mole]

Okay, so I was home then. We now have some vague idea of the order:

• mole and Polotet meet at the pub. Macnut is there too.
  
• They go to Polotet's house. Macnut watches them go.
  
• Gaspode goes to mole's house, watched by Improbable.
  
• mole goes to mole's house, again watched by Improbable.
  
• Darkblade turns up at mole's house.
  
• Darkblade goes somewhere else.
  
• Darkblade goes to Polotet's house. All the doors are locked.
  
• Polotet is killed.
  

[Darkblade]

FF, do you have information that you don't think that is important, or did you not go out last night?

[Darkblade]

Oh and mac, did you see mole & Pololet actually arrive at Pololet's house or did you only see him driving?

As for Gaspode & mole, I think there are three possibilities:

1. Gaspode is a hobo who hides in other people's houses.
2. Gaspdoe and mole are masons
3. Mole is the GF and Gaspode visited his house to plan the mafia strike.

Anything I'm missing?

[Improbable]

Unless the hobo was also a locksmith, I think it's unlikely.

The fact that a key was used seems to suggest that Gaspode's role:

1. Has access to mole's house a anytime;
   1. mole and Gaspode are of the same group;
   2. mole can offer to meet with someone (and provide a key to do so) so as to give information/recruit;
2. May have access other houses through other keys;
   1. Part of a group with at least three people - can only commincate 1-1 (takes more time to communicate - gossiper problem);
   2. Exchanges keys with other players - recruiter
3. May have access to all houses if a complete-set or a skeleton key;
   1. Possesses complete set of unknown keys (numbered - # = role (i.e. Key #3 belongs to a townie) - visits houses to learn which player (Locksmith role);
   2. Cop with access to all houses to investigate/interrogate house/owner;
4. Is something I either haven't considered, or thought was unlikely (isn't that always the case? )

NB: My message was not signed by Robinson (quote evasion ).

[Improbable]

I'm as hung up on keys, as keys are hung up on hooks.

[Improbable]

Sorry for the triple post....

Note: Sub-implications from 1 & 2 (& 4, I suppose) DO NOT exclude the other's sub-implications (i.e. 1A & 2B are possible simulataneously and so are other permutations).

Although I doubt there would be recruiting in a game of this size, I'm just accounting for possibilities - information could be spread instead of membership.

[BigORamo]

BTW I got my mail finally... stupid slow mail server... Anyway, I was at the bar. ANd I saw Poolet get drunk. Than Macnut says someone should take him home. I left afterwards.