Dating Game Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Courk]

As the sun rises, the townspeople are shocked to find that, contrary to night 4, two - yes, count 'em - two people are dead. Logain is found with a bullet hole between his eyes. He died instantaneously. On the other hand, Porro is found with an axe between his eyes. Sadly, the axe was dull, so his death was less than instantaneous.

The night's casualties:
Logain - Bachelor #1 - investigator (for lack of a better name)
Porro - Bachelor #8 - townie

Welcome to Day 5 - 9 alive, 5 to lynch!

[Neo]

Just to let you know that I'll probably get to this late friday night or sometime saturday.
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[jadesmar]

My appologies, it was my first week back at Univesity this week and have had no time to be online. I did not realize that it would be this hectic so did not post in the away thread. I should be back to regularly scheduled programming by Saturday afternoon.

[Porro]

[Logain's Ghost]

I guess my chances at the bachelorette have decreased somewhat.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I guess it's time some more non-dead people start to post.

Vote referee

for
[1] lurking
[2] being voted for by a now confirmed investigator

[referee]

[Dragon Phoenix]

Yes, but did he list the people he found innocent? If so, I will retract my vote. If not, you have statistically a slightly higher chance of being scum.

[jadesmar]

Ok.

Once again, sorry for lurking

vote: ralphmerridew

He seemed to be against lynching cult before mudbuck's claim, but dropped the argument quickly after, voting for mudbuck without comment.

[Mgm]

Seems like a good idea.
Vote: ralphmerridew

[ralphmerridew]

jadesmar, you missed this comment.

[jadesmar]

You are correct, I missed that comment.

[Mgm]

Unvote: rm

[ralphmerridew]

Night kills:

sweetwater, doc, night 1, gun
MadMax, cop, night 1, axe

Chuck, maf, night 2, electric shock
jadesmar, town, night 2, gun

Capt. Canada, townie, night 3, hacked to bits (axe?)
Mgm, doc, night 3, gun

Logain, inv. night 5, gun
Porro, night 5, axe

[Courk]

[Courk]

Since I'm witholding information, I'll let you know that Capt. Canada was indeed killed by an axe.

[ralphmerridew]

Well, the gun kills are mafia. As for the others...

1) The axe kills are from an SK who kills on odd nights only; electric shock is a vig.
2) Axe kills are from one SK, who got blocked nights 2 and 4; shock is a vig.
3) Axe and shock kills are from the same SK, who can choose what type of kill he/she makes and who was somehow blocked night 4.

I kinda like option #1; it explains the axe's kill pattern without requiring any extra docs; I'm not sure how to explain night 4's lack of mafia kill and last night's death of Logain.

[Neo]

You seem to have discounted the cult entirely. Any reason why?
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[ralphmerridew]

I don't think the cult can kill because of how it worked in Clue Mafia. But...

If the cult is responsible for the axe kills, then the cult kills odd nights and recruits evens, and started with the recruiter and at least one thug (since we've lynched the recruiter and two thugs, it only recruited on nights 2 and 4, and is still active).

Maybe.

[referee]

oh, OK, DP. I see where you're coming from.

Unvote: DP
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[Courk]

referee - 1 - (DP)
ralphm - 1 - (jadesmar)

[Mackay]

Posting to prove that I'm still active. I'm not lurking, I just have very limited access. I don't have anything to add game-wise at the moment. I remember being suspicious of DP about something, but I don't remember what. I need to re-read. Again. There are some things I want to look at.

[MatthewV]

vote ralphmerridew
A) He looked somewhat scummy yesterday.
B) My vote will make the town say something.
C) Just like yesterday I was revoke it for any reason.

[Courk]

ralphm - 2 - (jadesmar, MattV)

referee - 1 - (DP)

[Neo]

Sorry, this has just been falling further back on my list lately.

Suspicions: ralphmerridew, for the same reasons as yesterday.
referree: he keeps lurking. He did claim townie (bachelor) but he still continues to contribute nothing.

Priorities: Mafia first now. I'm assuming the cult couldn't recruit and kill the same night, so they must have the number advantage. Unless there's an SK, then I'm more unsure.

So now I'm gonna try to pick something more out of the thread.
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[Dragon Phoenix]

I'm happy with my vote. Lurkers should be eradicated.

[Courk]

*pokey pokey*

[Neo]

Mgm? Lurkers? Hello?

vote ref

gut instinct. He's just not helping the town, I feel like he's trying to stay under the radar.
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[Mgm]

I'm not sure who to vote for.

I have trouble believing ref would be labeled bachelor #100. It's just to easy a number to guess, but it's not strong enough to vote him out even if he is lurking.

What was the reason for the ralphm wagon again?

[ralphmerridew]

The reason I was being bandwagoned was that I argued that lynching a cult recruit (instead of a mafia or the cult recruiter) would be bad for the town, and that since DP and whoever else were arguing that mudbuck was probably a recruit, we shouldn't lynch him.

[ralphmerridew]

And I doubt ref is lying about his number. Mafioso Chuck had a number; I'm sure that ref also got one.

[Mgm]

I guess you're right. I thought that maybe the number could tell us more about a role, but after going back to the opening post, I've found that's probably not the case.

Do you still feel the same about lynching cultists?

[ralphmerridew]

1) IF the cult has been alternately recruiting and axe-killing, then they started out with Vinny & a recruit (there have been two no-axe-kill nights, we've lynched three cult members, and there was an axe-kill last night). I don't think Courk would give the cult that advantage, so I don't think the cult can kill.

2) Therefore, I believe that the cult cannot kill, and with their recruiter killed, it has lost much of its threat. As such, if we try to eliminate the mafia first, the mafia may kill a few cultists while we do so; if we try to eliminate cult first, the cult won't kill any mafia while we do so.

So, yes, I don't think we should try to lynch cult right now.

[referee]

Sorry, people. My computer just stopped recognizing my modem last Thursday. Now I'm on my cousin's computer. I've called to tech support with urgency character, so I guess they'll be coming soon, so this shouldn't take more than a few days. If it does, I put my role at the hands of the mod so she can do what she deems necessary.
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[Dragon Phoenix]

That's fine, but it does not excuse your lack of participation before that. So far, I'm pretty sure that ralphmerridew is cult, but at the moment ineffective. My main suspects for mafia are referee, crackerjack and Mackay. Referee as stated for his attempts to fly under the radar, crackerjack for the same offense (or did he already get replaced and I missed that? He is still mentioned as a player). Mackay for doing the doctor-congratulating bit, and for sowing vague suspicions without following it up.

Vote stays for the moment on referee.

[Mackay]

Whew, I have internet access. It's been a while, sorry all - I've been banned from my sister's computer and have to seek access elsewhere.

I've just re-read the entire thread, and sadly enough, I agree with DP that the three people who look most suspicious in this game are ref, crackerjack and... me. I can only blame the fact that I haven't been able to follow this game as avidly as I usually do, and have therefore stuffed up a lot because my memory sucks. But seriously. If I weren't me, I would vote for me. But... please don't?

As I said, I have re-read, and done my whole note-taking thing. If I were to pick one player who I thought may be scum with crackerjack and ref, it would be Mgm, but it's hard to say when there has been so little participation and so many replacements.
Ref - day 1 he voted Neo and did nothing else. Day 2 he made many irrelevant comments, and only posted of substance twice. Funnily enough, both of these times were to vote for IS, unless my eyes are going. And as we know he placed the final vote on this occasion. Day 3 he only posted to guess at the number of cultists, mafioso and the possibility of an SK. After this he has only posted a few times to apologise for his "absence" and to "defend" himself rather inadequately. Which I have more on later.
crackerjack - voted mudbuck day 1, voted IS day 2, and voted Vinny on a "hunch" later on. Apart from that, every single one of his posts has been informing us (as though we didn't know) of his inactivity, and promising to post more later. We're still waiting...
Now as for Mgm... this one isn't so scummy, it's just a vibe I've picked up. Firstly, when Vegt was in this role, he defended Chuck on day 1 - he was the first to do so. Then Vegt disappeared, sadly leaving us with not very much information. Mgm's posts since have been, for the most part, very indecisive. I wrote down the gist of most of everyone's (who is still alive) posts, and here I have him on day 3 voting for Neo for excessive FOSing, then unvoting Neo after Neo defended this behaviour, then umming and ahhing over whether to vote for Neo or Jedo, then in the next post voting for mudbuck, and then FOSing ralphmerridew. Day 4, he asked Logain for info, and once again voted for mudbuck. This day he was involved in an argument with ralphmerridew over what should be done with cultists. (I do not want to cast suspicion on either of them for their positions, however, as there are so many things that can be drawn from it and I am not here to try and make things look the way I want them to, but to present things as I see them.) He seemed to be less indecisive, before changing his mind and voting for ref, and then changing his mind and voting for mudbuck again. On day 5 he threw a vote on ralphmerridew straight after jadesmar. He then unvoted rm with no further comment, and in his next post started going on about how he "didn't know who to vote for". I find this funny, given that he has been willing to do it given the flimsiest of reasons and the slightest hint of encouragement.

There is also something else I'd like to point out while I'm here, and that is that Mgm's theory to do with the numbers might not be completely off.
The cops were 22 and 77... double numbers? Multiples of 11? Or maybe just random. The docs were 42 and 84 - one being double the other. Strangely enough the two cult goons were 18 and 36, but if those were picked at random I can't really see how that works. *shrug* There isn't really much that can be drawn from it, but what strikes me is that the only mafia we have caught so far is the only prime number, and the fact that 100 kinda... stands out as a number. If the numbers have ANYTHING to do with it, which is just a whacked-out less-than-theory of mine, then I would say that ref is something significant. Godfather, or SK. But that's a pretty shaky basis. I'd still lynch him on his behaviour though.

Vote: referee.

For the record, my number is 54. I think. If I don't come back and correct it, then I am number 54.

[Courk]

referee - 3 - (DP, Neo, Mackay)

ralphm - 2 - (jadesmar, MattV)

[Mgm]

The large number of players and the lack of participation made me forget what happened in the game on several occasions (my notes aren't very extensive). That is why I was indecisive at some points and more decisive on others.

Also, I didn't feel the need to post much earlier as the discussion was slow and I couldn't really add to non-existent stuff.

It probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense to an outside observer, since most of the reasoning went on in my mind, but I'd be happy to try and explain any and all posts I made.

[jadesmar]

unvote: ralphmerridew
vote: referee

I still think ralphmerridew is a cult member, and am uncertain whether the status of cult recruiter will pass to another member on the death of the initial recruiter (which is possible but, probably unlikely).

You are right though, we should be going after mafia. One of whom, I hope, is referee.

[referee]

Occasional post. My modem is still not being recognized.

We killed cult recruiter, so I'd say cult is no longer a threat (at least not until the number of townies get dangerously low). That's how cult usually works, although it's true that, with courk, you never know.

It's curious how the cultists were number 18, 36 and mackay claims 54 since cultists are recruited, that doesn't mean a thing, but I found it curious.

However, mackay's notes convinced me that Mgm's actions are quite suspicious, so...

Vote: Mgm
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