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 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:08 am Post subject: 81 |
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| How many other faiths do you actually know about? And i mean more than a 2 sentence summary. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:27 am Post subject: 82 |
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| Why is it easier to believe that a fellow can walk on water and heal the blind with mud than it is to believe that if you're an ignoramus you come back to life as a yak? |
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Eykir
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: 83 |
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I can answer that one. It gives direction to a person's life for them to believe in something they perceive to be good.
Jedo, the difference between you and I, is you look at what you should be believing, and I look at why it should be believed.  |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:47 am Post subject: 84 |
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I have found that when people say things like
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| It's called faith. I believe that the Bible is true because of faith. |
It often really means, "I believe what I believe because I believe what I believe." |
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Mackay
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:14 am Post subject: 85 |
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*opens mouth to speak...*
*closes it again, backs slowly out of thread* |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:01 pm Post subject: 86 |
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*agrees that a can of soda should not always be open*
I walked on water while in Russia. I didn't find it difficult in any manner.
And I fail to see how this topic has anything to porn at this point. I was hoping to see this die or something. Bummer. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:14 pm Post subject: 87 |
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| I've found that it tends to mean "I believe what i believe because my parents told me to" |
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Antrax
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject: 88 |
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| Why is it easier to believe that a fellow can walk on water and heal the blind with mud than it is to believe that if you're an ignoramus you come back to life as a yak? |
Why is it easier to believe X and ~X can't be true at the same time than it is to believe an omnipotent being?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject: 89 |
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| Why is it easier (not) to ignore words in parentheses? |
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i_h8_evil_stuff
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:20 pm Post subject: 90 |
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*sigh* Haven't any of you watched Dogma? You shouldn't BELIEVE, but you should have a GOOD IDEA. Ideas can be changed easily. Beliefs are harder to change.
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Legend of Tenshi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:33 am Post subject: 91 |
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Dogma also teaches you that you should keep breath freshener in case of attacks by... (carted of due to lack of taste)
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:31 am Post subject: 92 |
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| How many other faiths do you actually know about? And i mean more than a 2 sentence summary. |
When it comes to what I know about other religions, most of it came from history books. I have talked with scholars about other religions a bit, but not much. So, I don't know whether they believe the eel is more sacred than the worm, but I know some of the basic principles of the Asian religions. And I know some about Wicca because I had a friend who dabbled in it some.
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| Why is it easier to believe that a fellow can walk on water and heal the blind with mud than it is to believe that if you're an ignoramus you come back to life as a yak? |
Hmm, well, there are recorded accounts of Jesus actually doing those things, and I don't see any manuscripts that tell of someone who used to be a yak. Besides, I think people that think they used to be something else in a past life are lunatics.
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| It's called faith. I believe that the Bible is true because of faith. |
It often really means, "I believe what I believe because I believe what I believe." |
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| I've found that it tends to mean "I believe what i believe because my parents told me to" |
What about those people that come to believe in God when they're 45 and have never had Christian influence before?
On a side note, Dogma actually teaches us to carry around blessed golf clubs to kill demons with.  |
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Phil_The_Rodent
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: 93 |
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I think some of you may be missing the point, which *actually* happens to be on the link that was suggested nobody clicks on... (don't bother clicking on it though, it's mostly prepubesent anime hemaphordies)...
The point |
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Eykir
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:17 am Post subject: 94 |
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| On a side note, Dogma actually teaches us to carry around blessed golf clubs to kill demons with. Razz |
LOL, I love it =) Good one Jedo! |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: 95 |
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If you knew so much about other religions you wouldn't have made a comment like
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| Besides, I don't even know what the Koran says, but isn't that from Mohammed? I don't fully understand the Islamic religion, but it's very different from Christianity and the Bible, as far as I know. |
The Koran is supposed to be the words of the angel Gabriel who visited the prophet Muhammad in his dreams. The Islam religion recognizes Jesus as a prophet as god (not the son of God) The Koran shares many of the myths and ideas of the Christian bible and the Jewish Torah. They even claim the same ancestor (Abraham).
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| Hmm, well, there are recorded accounts of Jesus actually doing those things, and I don't see any manuscripts that tell of someone who used to be a yak. Besides, I think people that think they used to be something else in a past life are lunatics. |
There are also recorded accounts of people seeing UFOs and being abducted by Elvis. I'll bet you there are qutie a few more "manuscripts" like that then copies of the bible in this world.
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| What about those people that come to believe in God when they're 45 and have never had Christian influence before? |
Those people tend not to say things like "I believe for no reason other than faith" There's generally an event that causes people to believe in something they didn't believe in before. |
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Aarondalf
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:09 am Post subject: 97 |
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| Jedo, can you answer my question using logic? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: 98 |
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| It promotes sexual promiscuity and thus increases the spreading of sexually transmitted diseases. Yes this is the same guest. |
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Eykir
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: 100 |
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| Many of the moral aspects of the bible are in fact descendant of survival traits. Back in the day sexual promiscuity led to disease, so it became immoral. Desiring other people's partners led to sexual promiscuity. That's why we've got marriage. The problem is these traditions (or morals) don't die out when they stop becoming useful. Orthodox jews still keep Kosher even though there's no longer a substantial health risk for eating those foods which god described as "unclean". |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:11 am Post subject: 101 |
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| The Koran is supposed to be the words of the angel Gabriel who visited the prophet Muhammad in his dreams. |
Incorrectly phrased. It's the word of God, delivered through Gabriel to the prophet Muhammad. And it wasn't "in his dreams" it usually happened while he was quite awake. 
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Aarondalf
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:01 am Post subject: 102 |
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| So, you would say that giving someone a STD is immoral. Fair enough. But, if the whoring can be safe with educated people, why is THAT still immoral? |
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Antrax
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:44 am Post subject: 103 |
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Because God said so. Why are you hammering on the noob?
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Aarondalf
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:47 am Post subject: 104 |
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I'm not hammering on anyone in particular. I just don't understand how (even with faith) one can be disgusted at something just because someone else is disgusted by that thing. If I am wrong in that interpretation then obviously they have their OWN reasons for believing what they do. Thats great, I just want to hear what they are. And if they involve things like STD's and such, then those views are quite out of date considering today's technology.
So if not for health reasons, then what? Remember, I'm saying what is MORALLY wrong with even the simplest of things such as LOOKING at a naked person in a picture? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:15 pm Post subject: 105 |
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Are they? STDs aren't an issue nowadays? That's coming as news to me...
It's immoral today because it was immoral back then. It was immoral back then because it was not socially acceptable because promiscuous activity posed a risk to the individuals involved and others. It got stuck in the religions because people back then were too stupid to figure this stuff out on their own. Satisfied? |
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Antrax
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:55 pm Post subject: 106 |
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I disagree. I think it's immoral because God said so. And I think if you're really interested in a discussion about religion and the reasons for things, you should go post in the "ask about Christianity" thread or ask casinopete.
You people are pathetic.
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groza528
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:22 pm Post subject: 107 |
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I agree; this isn't the place. But while I'm here there is one thing bothering me:
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Besides, I think people that think they used to be something else in a past life Buddhists are lunatics. |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:20 pm Post subject: 108 |
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| I just don't understand how (even with faith) one can be disgusted at something just because someone else is disgusted by that thing. |
I think the level of disgust came simply because he was unfamiliar with the material. It was the first time he'd seen it, and thus it was a shock to the system. I would guess his reaction to "normal" porn is much more mild, more a matter of distaste or perhaps pity, along the lines of "it is a shame this is prevalent in our society."
Of course, that doesn't really answer, because I've just watered it down a bit - the disgust is still there. I think the main confusion arises becuase you are slightly misinterpreting what happened. He doesn't consider it disgusting because someone else considers it disgusting... He considers it wrong because someone else considers it wrong, and then finds it disgusting that people are so avid about their wrongdoing.
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| Thats great, I just want to hear what they are. And if they involve things like STD's and such, then those views are quite out of date considering today's technology. |
I consider promiscuity wrong because sex creates very real and lasting pschological and emotional bonds, and the more people with whom you have sex, the more such bonds get created, and the more dulled your "emotional senses" become to true relationship.
Let me break that down slightly, though. The forming of bonds I consider to be fact. The dulling of the emotions through overstimulation I think is the logical consequence. My considering it wrong is the application of my moral system - I think you miss out on what is truly good and proper and healthy and right (and planned by God) when you let this happen to yourself.
The case of pornography is similar, though less severe. The more porn you view, the more inured you become, and the less hold real beauty has over you.
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| So if not for health reasons, then what? |
This is actually a response to guest rather than you - "health reasons" were never a primary reason for sexual mores. Their existence is universal (and STDs are/were not), and based, if anything, on the desire to continue ones genetic lines. |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject: 109 |
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I agree; this isn't the place. But while I'm here there is one thing bothering me:
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Besides, I think people that think they used to be something else in a past life Buddhists are lunatics. |
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I'm a buddhist. But I don't believe in reincarnation. Can I be sane now? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject: 110 |
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| Samadhi has to be insane and it might as well be you |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: 111 |
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| Just so you all know. That last post wasn't me |
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Aarondalf
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: 112 |
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That's why I love you casinopete, well thought out logical reasons for actions. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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| "I think you miss out on what is truly good and proper and healthy and right (and planned by God) when you let this happen to yourself." |
Lets just say in a hypothetical situation, there was no God and hence no plan. Can you find another reason for thinking that a one on one relationship is truly good and proper and healthy and right? |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:47 am Post subject: 113 |
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| Lets just say in a hypothetical situation, there was no God and hence no plan. Can you find another reason for thinking that a one on one relationship is truly good and proper and healthy and right? |
Not "truly good" or "proper" or "right" - I think the idea of a moral code breaks down if there is no greater power on whose authority the code can be based/trusted.
Regarding "healthy," though, I think my answer would stand. A divine source is irrelevant to my "dulling of emotional senses" reasoning. |
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Guest
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: 114 |
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| Does that imply that atheists cannot be moral individuals? |
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casinopete
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:05 am Post subject: 115 |
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| Does that imply that atheists cannot be moral individuals? |
Not in the slightest. God has to exist for there to be a moral code. You do not have to believe in God to largely (partially) follow that code. |
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i_h8_evil_stuff
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:18 am Post subject: 116 |
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| God has to exist for there to be a moral code. |
Why? The government can't create a moral code? A group of individuals can't create a moral code? I can't create a moral code? Remind me never to join your religion.
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groza528
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: 117 |
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| I apologise Samadhi, I was under the impression that reincarnation was a core belief of Buddhism. I don't think I'd be wrong to say that it's common of the faith, at least, but if I am then feel free to say so. Once again, my humble apologies. |
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Antrax
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: 118 |
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| i_h8_evil_stuff wrote: |
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| God has to exist for there to be a moral code. |
Why? The government can't create a moral code? A group of individuals can't create a moral code? I can't create a moral code? Remind me never to join your religion. |
The government can create a moral code, but what can it say to someone who says "sorry, I think you got it wrong, I think rape IS moral"? What does the government have to base its moral values on, other than their own personal beliefs, if there's no God?
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casinopete
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:11 am Post subject: 119 |
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| i_h8_evil_stuff wrote: |
| Why? The government can't create a moral code? A group of individuals can't create a moral code? I can't create a moral code? Remind me never to join your religion. |
Do you have no idea whatsoever what a moral code is? Have you bothered reading my other posts so far in this thread? Do you have any purpose here other than trying to "score points" in conversation when you can't understand what's going on? Remind me never to invite you to join my religion. |
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Adrith
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: 120 |
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| What does the government have to base its moral values on, other than their own personal beliefs, if there's no God? |
It would be MUCH easier if the country were a theocracy. Then there would be one religion and one set of standards and moral codes. The problem comes in with a country like America where there are so many different world views and sets of morals, that it becomes difficult for the government to make laws that don't infringe on people's personal beliefs. I think the government should be more concerned with ensuring that each person has the ability to live his or her life as he or she pleases, but not allowing them to hurt others in the process. To that end, I don't think that it's the government's place to pass laws against things such as abortion or homosexual marriage, regardless of my personal beliefs on the matter.
I'm curious, do you think it's the place of the government to dictate morality to it's people, and why? To what extend should the government have a say as to what is right or wrong? |
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