Movie Tournament (Nominations)

[dethwing]

Ok, here's the deal. There are 48 movies above 3 nominations. These recieve seeds 1-12 in 4 different brackets. There are 33 movies at 3 nominations. I'm going to do a little run of to decide which 16 of those get in.

There are 70 at 2 nominations each. I'm simply not prepared to do anything with them. Maybe some other time we can do a "best of the rest" if you want.

So, honorable mentions go to:

(2) Requiem for a Dream
(2) Castle in the Sky
(2) Trainspotting
(2) The Lady Vanishes
(2) Seven Samurai
(2) Cube
(2) Brazil
(2) Aliens
(2) Gladiator
(2) The Green Mile
(2) The Matrix Reloaded
(2) Dogville
(2) I Robot
(2) A Fistful of Dollars
(2) Tora Tora Tora
(2) Matchstick Men
(2) The Ladykillers
(2) Music Man
(2) Adaptation
(2) Braveheart
(2) Shrek
(2) Moulin Rouge
(2) Cruel Intentions
(2) Chicago
(2) Whole Nine Yards
(2) Robin Hood: Men in Tights
(2) The Last Boy Scout
(2) Dogma
(2) Once Were Warriors
(2) A River Runs Through It
(2) Back to the Future 3
(2) Airplane!
(2) The Game
(2) Goldeneye
(2) Robin Hood (Disney)
(2) It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad world
(2) Jumanji
(2) Stalag 17
(2) Hoosiers
(2) Cool Hand Luke
(2) The Unforgiven
(2) Highlander
(2) Ghostbusters
(2) Good Will Hunting
(2) Three Musketeers
(2) Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory
(2) Snatch
(2) Rocky 1
(2) Rain Man
(2) Drunken Master
(2) Akira
(2) 12 Monkeys
(2) Almost Famous
(2) Field of Dreams
(2) Chasing Amy
(2) Saving Private Ryan
(2) My Fair Lady
(2) Midway
(2) Animal House
(2) It’s a Wonderful Life
(2) Indianna Jones and the Temple of Doom
(2) Ace Ventura - When Nature Calls
(2) Mystic River
(2) A Clockwork Orange
(2) A Beautiful Mind
(2) When Harry Met Sally
(2) Sleepless in Seattle
(2) Hoop Dreams
(2) October Sky

Run-offs to start soon.

[dethwing]

I'm only doing 4 of them right now so I'm not flooding OT. If anyone wants me to go ahead with the other 4, let me know.

[mith]

Threads have been moved to the new forum. I left a shadow of this one.

[dethwing]

Thanks Mith.

Ok, all 8 have been posted. I miscoutned before. There are 32, so it works out exactly right. 8 matches of 4, top 2 advance.

Enjoy!

[casinopete]

I am filled with hate.

[dethwing]

What? Why?

[casinopete]

[Samadhi]

I can't believe The Unforgiven isn't in.
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[Courk]

What movies are already in?

[dethwing]

(12) Princess Bride
(12) The Shawshank Redemption
(12) Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail
(11) Matrix
(10) Fight Club
(9) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
(8) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
(8) Memento
(7) Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back
(7) Star Wars: A New Hope
(7) Raiders of the Lost Ark
(7) Donnie Darko
(6) Terminator 2: Judgement Day
(6) Aladin
(6) Ocean's Eleven
(6) Boondock Saints
(6) The Usual Suspects
(5) Groundhog Day
(5) Monsters, Inc.
(5) LOTR: Return of the King
(5) LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring
(5) Back to The Future 1
(5) The Silence of the Lambs
(5) Lion King
(5) The Wizard of Oz
(5) Se7en
(5) The shining
(5) Godfather 2
(5) Amelie
(5) Godfather 1
(4) Alien
(4) Die Hard 1
(4) Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
(4) LOTR: The Two Towers
(4) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi
(4) The Incredibles
(4) Battle Royale
(4) The Fifth Element
(4) North by Northwest
(4) 12 Angry Men
(4) Blade Runner
(4) The Sting
(4) The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
(4) American History X
(4) This is Spinal Tap
(4) Pulp Fiction
(4) Reservior Dogs
(4) Lost in Translation

[mith]

Anyone that hasn't seen Clue should. It's a great movie. Could've been this tourney's Paint it Black.

[wordcross]

you know, another way to score this would be to take the 16 highest scoring movies from all the threads together. That way you help avoid killing off better movies simply because they may have come up against a stacked spread.

Another way i'd thought of would have been to give each movie its own poll and just have people vote yes or not for it if they liked it. That would have been a more massive undertaking, obviously, so i doubt that would have been practical, but perhaps for future reference, in case any smaller tournaments come about

[edit] also, the first idea would help in cases where movies are almost neck and neck and only one can be chosen above the other. anyway, whatever. just thinking out loud
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[mith]

[mith]

Btw, I think we should have the draw for the bracket in chat. It could be a massive GLC event!

(Or not, but it'd be more interesting to see the draw as it happened)

[dethwing]

The draw?

[wordcross]

[mith]

draw = placing them in the bracket. You're going to do it randomly anyway (at least in picking between the ones that got the same number of nominations), so why not roll dice in chat?

word, sorry, I'll try to explain better.

Number of votes:
Runoff 8: 19, 17, 15, 10
Runoff 3: 23, 12, 9, 7

Now, your method says we take 23, 19, 17, 15; but isn't it very possible that the one with 12 votes has so few because the 23 is so popular (i.e., it's in a "stacked" group, in the sense of being up against really tough competition)? Also, it might not be the case that the 15 vote movie is in a stacked group, it might just be that they're all equally hated.

Also, don't forget that not everyone voted in a given thread; in the above example, runoff 8 has 10 more votes than runoff 3. Even with percentages though, your method is at best no better than the way dethy is doing it, and probably worse.

[wordcross]

actually, having pointed out that runoff 8 has more votes is entirely my point. It means that more people have seen/are interested in that set of movies overall. I do, however, see your point about a good movie getting fewer votes simply because it's up against an awesome movie. Taking that into consideration, i agree that they are about the same, but i wouldn't say that my idea would be any worse.
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[mith]

Or it could mean that there are 16 joke votes.

[dethwing]

Oh. I've already made the bracket based on number of nominations.

[dethwing]

x(26)Toy Story
x(26)Men in Black
X(25)Forest Gump
x(24)Monty Python's the Life of Brian
x(23)Finding Nemo
X(21)Terminator 1
x(21)Jurassic Park
x(21)The Great Escape
x(21)Udenrigskorrespondenten
X(21)Kill Bill 1
(20)Dr. Strangelove
x(19)Sixth Sense
x(18)Citizen Kane
x(17)Ferris Beuller's Day Off
(16)Emperor's New Groove
x(15)American Beauty

(15)ST2, Wrath of Khan
x(14)Glory
(12)The Ring
x(12)Hero
(12)Clerks
(10)Kill Bill 2
(10)Gattaca
(9)Deer Hunter
(9)Princess Mononoke
(9)South Park
(8)O Brother
(8)Fox/Hound
(8)Jay and Silent Bob
(7)Totoro
(6)Patton
(5)We Were Soldiers

* means it won its match (well, top 2).
The break is top 16. So, only two movies got screwed.
Congrats to Glory and Hero for winning despite getting less votes than New Groove and Dr. Strangelove.

Full bracket and matches up momentarily. I'm going to continue with the "8 match, 7 days" thing. That seems to work well.

[dethwing]

1)Princess Bride
16)Hero (Jet Li)
8)Die Hard 1
9)Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
5)The Usual Suspects
12)Lost in Translation
4)Boondock Saints
13)Toy Story
6)Lion King
11)Blade Runner
3)Star Wars V: Empire Strikes Back
14)The Great Escape
7)The Wizard of Oz
10)12 Angry Men
2)Memento
15)Udenrigskorrespondenten

1)The Shawshank Redemption
16)Glory
8)Alien
9)LOTR: The Two Towers
5)Groundhog Day
12)Reservoir Dogs
4)Ocean's Eleven
13)Men in Black
6)The Silence of the Lambs
11)The Sting
3)Star Wars IV: A New Hope
14)Jurassic Park
7)Se7en
10)North by Northwest
2)Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
15)Kill Bill, Vol 1

1)Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail
16)American Beauty
8)Godfather 1
9)Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi
5)Monsters, Inc.
12)Pulp Fiction
4)Aladin
13)Forest Gump
6)Back to the Future 1
11)The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
3)Indiana Jones and The Raiders of the Lost Ark
14)Terminator 1
7)The Shining
10)The Fifth Element
2)Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
15)The Sixth Sense

1)The Matrix
16)Ferris Beuller's Day Off
8)Amelie
9)The Incredibles
5)LOTR: Return of the King
12)The is Spinal Tap
4)Terminator 2: Juudgement Day
13)Monty Python's the Life of Brian
6)LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring
11)American History X
3)Donnie Darko
14)Finding Nemo
7)Godfather 2
10)Battle Royale
2)Fight Club
15)Citizen Kane


I think we ended up with an eclectic bunch here. Any comments?

[casinopete]

There seem to be a lot of very interesting (and already depressing) match-ups.

Blade Runner could all too easily go down to Lion King, Empire or Memento, any of which will piss me off.

Much the same could go for Shawshank. It's gonna hit a lot of just o.k. movies that are way more popular than they should be.

Se7en going down to Eternal Sunshine will be obvious, and I'll agree with it, but it's a pretty rough second round draw.

The worst possible first round match is next. Grail will beat American Beauty, and I will ever-afterwards despise it. Especially when it takes down either Aladdin or Back to the Future later on.

The bottom half of the first bracket should be very interesting. Raiders, Terminator, The Shining, Last Crusade - all of them are great, all of them could win it.

I think Terminator II has the most consistanly awful draw. Life of Brian is a total wild card, and then it hits Return of the King, and if still in it, no way it can take the Matrix.

Fight Club's in an interesting spot, too. Kane should barely get a whisper, but the Godfather, II should set up a fantastic match. Unfortunately, then comes Fellowship, which everyone has somehow convinced themselves was worth watching, so of course I am worried.

Overall, Matrix v. Princess Bride should be the Final - I'm glad they ended up in separate halves.

[dethwing]

I'm interested to see how much noise the Star Wars and LOTR movies make. I actually predict a SW vs LOTR final.

[dethwing]

"Se7en going down to Eternal Sunshine will be obvious, and I'll agree with it, but it's a pretty rough second round draw."

Personally, I hope NxNW beats 'em both.

[casinopete]

There is a degree to which I can understand my adoration of Blade Runner is a personal taste thing, so I'm not actually upset about its seeding. Overall, in fact, I think that given the 64 movies in the tournament, the seeding turned out very well. There is only one movie that really, truly got jobbed: American Beauty. I cannot believe it wasn't at least a 3-seed.

[dethwing]

It only got 3 nominations, and barely made it out of the play-offs, and you think it deserves anything else but a 16?

Heck, Dr. Strangelove and Emperor's new Groove could be argued were more screwed, as they got more votes but were against stiffer competition.

[casinopete]

Oh, I certainly wasn't criticizing your methods - it obviously got the appropriate seed according to the mechanics - it's more that I believe/hope the low support shown for it was a matter of skewed voting motives and such. I freely admit that a couple of my nominations were attempts to support movies I would like to have had in the competition rather than a strict attempt to find my favorite 20.

[wordcross]

You know, if dethwing doesn't want to, I think i'll run a loser's bracket after the main tournament is over. It'll give some extra glory to movies that might lose the first round to particularly tough opponents
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[Courk]

I think The Great Escape has a pretty rough time of it. When I was going through and voting I couldn't wait to see what it was against. "Hmm... Empire Strikes Back versus ... The Great Escape. Crap. C'mon TGE!"

[Antrax]

I don't think any movie other than LotR or Princess Bride has a shot at winning a movie tournament on the GL
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[dethwing]

Oh. I didn't know that movie had any fans. I never saw it, but from the commercials and previews it looked awful and disgusting.

[Antrax]

Which movie are we talking about?
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[dethwing]

American Beauty

Maybe I'm thinking of American Pie.

They came out around the same time or something. I kept getting them confused.

[Antrax]

Well, I can see reasons for either disgusting you. Was it a comedy about a bunch of annoying teenagers, or a drama about an average american family?
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[dethwing]

It was a while ago. I don't recall.

Which is the one that got in?

[Antrax]

Latter. Good movie IMO, as evident by the fact I was one of the people who nominated it.
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[dethwing]

"You know, if dethwing doesn't want to, I think i'll run a loser's bracket after the main tournament is over. It'll give some extra glory to movies that might lose the first round to particularly tough opponents"

If you do, you should consider adding the losing 3-nomination guys, and maybe some of the 2's.

[mith]

I've got a template for a bracket made, but obviously couldn't put the names in while I was riding (I'm still waiting for wireless on the interstate...). Tired now, but I'll have it done sometime.

[mith]

Bracket.

There's some more I might do to it at some point, but anyway. Put it in a separate thread if you like.