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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: 41 Reply with quote

Code:
3210
----
0011
0101
1011
1101
1110
1011
0001
0100
1011
1100
1111
1110
1101
1110
0100
1000

Japanese to western:
0|1111011010101000
1|1010110010110100
2|0101100101111110
3|0011110011111101

All strings together and in morse format
....-..-.-.-.---.-.-..--.-..-.---.-..--.-......---....--......-.

A possible result (one of many)
... .-.. -.-. -.-- -.-. -..- -.-. .-. --- .-. .- -. -.... ..- --.. ..- -. .... .-.
s   l    c    y    c    x    c    r   o   r   a  n  6     u   z    u   n  h    r

Some characters in morse
a.-    b-...   c-.-.   d-..    e.     f..-.  g--.      h....     i..     j.---
k-.-   l.-..   m--     n-.     o---   p.--.  q--.-     r.-.      s...    t-
u..-   v...-   w.--    x-..-   y-.--  z--..  1.----    2..---    3...--  4....-
5..... 6-....  7--...  8---..  9----. 0----- '.'.-.-.- ','--..--
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject: 42 Reply with quote

And here's another possible result:

Code:

..././-/../-./-/.-./---/./-./-../--/.-./.-./---/.-./.--/.-./../.../-/--/.../.--/..../../-/.
 s  e t  i n  t  r  o   e n   d   m  r   r   o   r   w   r  i   s  t m   s  w    h   i  t e

This seems to me to be tantilizingly close: The "set intro end" seems plausible, and "Ms. White" looks good, too.

[edit: updated center section. wrist?]
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: 43 Reply with quote

mswhitekitchen....?

comon.... why and the second who?
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: 44 Reply with quote

Are you sure about kitchen? I can only see 'kitche.'
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:00 am    Post subject: 45 Reply with quote

*realizes that people read into the flavor text too much*

(But the text is commonly more important in other puzzle, true.)
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:26 pm    Post subject: 46 Reply with quote

If you read the columns in left-to-right order, btw, you can get "ms. white, kitchen, taunting..." but I can't get the last part.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: 47 Reply with quote

Ah, ok, I was still reading the columns right-to-left... (MatthewV did mention Japanese style, right?)
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: 48 Reply with quote

Also could be Ms White, kitchen, candy...

But I'm stuck there also; the best I can get is sex-eco.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: 49 Reply with quote

"candy"? You can't engineer "candlestick"?
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: 50 Reply with quote

You can engineer CANDYESTICK (which leaves --, M or TT at the end). L and Y are inverses of each other, and that's too coincidental to assume that it was just there. (And note that is still assuming left to right order)
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:32 am    Post subject: 51 Reply with quote

To confirm what Foggy said,

Code:
--....--......-.-.-..--.-......-.-.-..--.-..|.-..|....-..-.-.-.-
00111100111111010101100101111110101011001011|0100|1111011010101000


That's what I get as Morse for "Ms White Kitchen Candlestick", followed by the Minesweeper results.

So has this been solved, MatthewV?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:44 am    Post subject: 52 Reply with quote

Yes it is.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:36 am    Post subject: 53 Reply with quote

'k, then, is anyone surprised that I have opinions? ;-)

I'd said, a number of posts ago, that I didn't think this would be solved without hints. I think that, not only was I right, but I'll make the stronger (and of course utterly unproveable) statement that this wouldn't have been solved without hints. It's an interesting idea; but there are so many ways to read a four-by-sixteen grid of 1's and 0's that "Read down, not across; concatenate; and use Morse code" seems to me to be nowhere near the most obvious thing to try.

Also: the character from the game Clue(do) is Mrs. White, not Ms. White. Call it a technicality, but it was, I think, an unnecessary flaw.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:31 am    Post subject: 54 Reply with quote

I have grown up never calling people with "Mr.", "Mrs.", or "Ms." and hardly know the difference. As far as I know, "Ms." is the right one to use if you are unsure.

I think the solution would have been clearer if the people reporting the minesweeper answer with more distinct columns (as if solved on graph paper). There was also a great sidetracking away from codes that are based on binary. I also thought that Morse was more commonly used in puzzle.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: 55 Reply with quote

MatthewV wrote:
As far as I know, "Ms." is the right one to use if you are unsure.


Yes; but we're not unsure in this case. We know she prefers Mrs. White.

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I think the solution would have been clearer if the people reporting the minesweeper answer with more distinct columns (as if solved on graph paper). There was also a great sidetracking away from codes that are based on binary. I also thought that Morse was more commonly used in puzzle.


Morse is used fairly commonly in puzzles, yes. However, without breaks between the letters, Morse code is harder to translate, and much, much less recognizable as Morse. I think that, and not the closeness of the columns, was why people didn't think of it. (If I had, I also would have been likely to treat each column as a separate string, rather than concatenating them.)
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: 56 Reply with quote

I like the idea. I think that if the (undelimited) Morse code and top-down-left-to-right jumps had been clued in the flavortext, they would have been completely fair. This reminded me of some of the MIT puzzles.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: 57 Reply with quote

A few thoughts about this puzzle, please don't take this as a flame, it's just some feedback to help make future puzzles more enjoyable to the readers.
Don't get this wrong, the puzzle was quite clever , but considering the number of people on this website, the time taken to solve it shows is was a bit too obscure. Melancholy

The problem I had with this puzzle, and many of the symbol puzzles on another thread, is that the plaintext gives no clue as to how to decode the cypher. Ignoring the implausible fact the killer would most likely not know his killer, nor the location or weapon of choice, it seems unlikely he would have prepared a code with these details.
As far as I could see there was no reason to decide on minesweeper, or morse code as clues to the murderer. It could easily have been another encypherment method and the story wouldn't have changed. What this puzzle required was that rare flash of random enlightenment. Confused I'm not too sure experience in puzzles nor time working on it would have helped.
IMHO, the puzzle could have been improved by having a longer introduction giving some background into Prof. Plum. This would have given us some vague hints that could offer some sort of link.
Like in cryptic crosswords, the final words can be seen to be related to the clue.
But in this case, and with hindsite, I can see no reason why Prof. Plum would use Minesweeper nor Morse Code to tell the world his killer. Maybe something like mention of a previous life in the navy?
At some point someone sugested the blood marks could indicate the significance information to identify the killer. This would have made more sense. A prepared note with all the potential killers, etc. and then with his dying strength the Prof. marks the note with blood smears. I guess I'm dissapointed it wasn't something like this.

Anyway, thanks for the puzzle, and please don't take this the wrong way, it just seemed a bit too obscure.
(And a hint was needed to get a solution as mentioned by another post.)
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: 58 Reply with quote

In all fairness to the creators, a link towards minesweeper was included (though I didn't find it either until it was mentioned in one of the posts). The filename of the picture was:

http://www.greylabyrinth.com/puzzles/img/minespuzzle.jpg

It's just a question of remembering to look at the filename (I'm trying to teach myself to do that everytime). I guess the leap from here towards morse is harder to make.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject: 59 Reply with quote

I thought the data was enough for people to understand that the first step of solving might be in minesweeper. This happened before the poorly named picture was seen. I'll agree the morse was too much of a leap. I learned to name files like bloody_will.jpg now though :)
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: 60 Reply with quote

I'm of the same opinion as GH; if it had been indicated that the data was to be read downwards and that the data was undelimited, Morse code should not have been much of a leap after that.

I do think that the phrasing of the questions was slightly misleading. Up until the puzzle was solved, I was confused because the game of Clue uses the format of "Who? Where? With what?" while the questions indicated we were looking for something else. I had already stopped trying to decipher a weapon from the Morse code.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:30 pm    Post subject: 61 Reply with quote

I did think of Morse code fairly soon, but I expected the letters to be separated by a third characters and looked at the lengths of blocks of ones in the columns (1,2,4,6).

The problem with Morse code is that there are so many starting possibilities that it is hard to decide whether a certain column is a good place to start.
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