Last movie watched

[jesus_saves]

La Cité des enfants perdus (The city of Lost children) A very weird movie, i m still not sure if i like or not. It was weird, but there was some very good child actors. I dunno if I d ever recommend it. Maybe just to charles because he likes weird movies.
***ish

Star Wars III Better than the first two, though the beginning acting and dialogue is less than believable. Over all I did enjoy it and my dad was happy. so thats good too.
***1/2

(ps LMAO at Mackay's last statement. indeed that s what *I d* want him for as well. )

(pps - page 5.)
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[Travis*]

I see what you mean now, Mackay. You should ck around Jan 1, Charlie should be on sale again (along with all the other dolls).

This year, Charlie was 500 dollars off. Maybe next year, it will be even less, I suppose it will depend on the demand for Charlie, you know, how many Charlies are sold.

[The Master]

[Travis*]

Follow up on Spanglish. What a sappy piece of shit! Tea Leoni's character should be beaten down with a regulation sealing club. And a crappy ending too (cheating bitch Tea sticks around while the Spanish hottie hits the road).

[The Master]

Just saw The Big Lebowski for the first time and I really enjoyed it. One thing though, it felt as though it went on forever, continously adding on stuff and never ending. But other than that, it was really funny, well acted, well written, and quite a clever plot.
**1/2
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[Courk]

I watched Return of the Jedi today. I think that may have been the first time I watched it since before Episode II came out, if not since before Episode I. I found it to be much sadder than I remembered, maybe because the newer movies have allowed me to get to know Anakin, whereas before the name was just a word.

[MatthewV]

In the dubbing vs subtitles...

Subtitles are considerablely nicer. I have watched entirely too many American films poorly dubbed into Russian to appreciate the voiceovers. However, if the dubbing is professionally done and of high quality, it is acceptable and sometimes even preferred. The painful part of dubbed movies is hearing the original language in the background. And losing the infliction and tone of the speaker. Or even having a male speaker say the female parts.

[Dmi]

Well, I guess I was somewhat biased. Practically all of the dubbing that I've seen/heard in my life was watching awesome American movies in Russia. God, the dubbing. And they taunt me with the original voices, while having some idiot narrate over them. I would've loved subtitles there. Plus, I would've heard the English.

[Internet Stranger]

When things get dubbed into Spanish, its always done by one guy. He would do all the voices. Males, females, children, hell, this dude probably dubs animal noises too. I have been hearing the same exact voice in all these translated movies since the 80's too.

I have two theories. Its either done by a computer or theres a guy in locked up in some basement somewhere in Tijuana with a VCR and a tape recorder.
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[Samadhi]

Clones!

[BraveHat]

Saw Revenge of the Sith Now that the Circle is Complete, I have several unnerving continuity questions. Spoilers follow. Highlight to read.

1.How come Uncle Owen doesn't recognize C-3PO from Attack of the Clones in A New Hope? Yes, his plating is a different color, but he goes by the same name and has that same butler voice and mannerisms.
2.How come Leia has flashes of images of her "real mother" in Return of the Jedi but Luke doesn't? They both saw Padme for a split second as newborns before Padme died
3. If the Wookiees had such good diplomatic relations with Yoda, would they not know also of Obi-Wan Kenobi and therefore Chewbacca would not be so distrusting of Obi-Wan in A New Hope? To wit: "Boy, you said it, Chewy: Where did you dig up that old fossil?"
4.If Anakin Skywalker was made to be such a celebrity after the Clone Wars, surely the rebel leaders would recognize that last name. Yet, in A New Hope, people are even looking to Biggs to vouch for Luke. No one seems to pick up on Luke's heritage.

[Courk]

1. I haven't seen AotC in a while - is Owen really that close to C-3PO? I don't remember them all being on Tatooine for that long. Plus, there are droids everywhere. I can recognize my own dogs, but I doubt I'd recognize the dog of someone who visited briefly 20 years ago.

2. Umm... continuity error? Or, she has a really good memory for some odd reason?

Bail Organa seemed to be at least a good acquaintance of Padmé. Maybe when Leia was growing up she would be told things about her mother, and she's just kind of remembering the stories and the images she thought of and think they're her own memories?

3. We don't actually know what Chewie said. Maybe he does realize that Kenobi might have been a Jedi and asked, "Where did the old man come from?" more out of curiosity or to check suspicions? Han isn't necessarily translating word for word.

Or Chewie might never have heard of Obi-Wan. I suppose that's possible. Or it could be another continuity error.

4. I can't think of the scene you refer to. Maybe they do know the Skywalker name and are thus afraid? Plus, those children were whisked away rather quickly, and not many people seem to know Anakin Skywalker is Darth vader. Maybe they think Obi-Wan killed Anakin and don't know about the children.

[Doc Borodog]

Maybe Skywalker is like "Smith" or "Jones."

[BraveHat]

Courk3PO stayed with Anakin's mom after he left in The Phantom Menace, and was with her during the entire time she lived on the moisture farm with Owen and Beru. It wasn't a brief visit. He was their droid. Oh, well.

I DO think it was clever of Lucas not to place Obi-Wan anywhere near C3PO in the entire prequel trilogy until that last scene after the lava fight when Obi-Wan was too preoccupied with what just happened to pay any attention to him. It makes sense that Obi-Wan didn't recognize him in A New Hope.

[i_h8_evil_stuff]

Mrs. Doubtfire

There's really nothing on TV.
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[Travis*]

I am watching Fight Club Too violent, I thought they were going to grow flowers.

Who new?

[Travis*]

Ladder 49 John Travolta, Joking Felonix.
I don't know if it was any good, I got totally bored and lost interest. Another $3.99 wasted on pay-per-view.

Plus fight club is still on. I have to put myself through all this violence for the sake of being entertained. Oh well, commercial break is over. ~enters vortex of violence that is fight club~

Okay, what GL'ers want to fight! I feel all pumped while watching this show! Too bad I like everyone here plus most everyone can beat my ass if they so desired.

I feel like sjit.

[Dmi]

I realized what's wrong with your logic, extro. In the case of dubbing vs. subtitles, we are talking about whether one thing will be messed up; that being the movie.

In your example of fart vs. orchestra, you are talking about enhancing/ruining two things instead of one. Talking about two different things being affected is not comparable with talking about one thing being affected.

[extro...]

That really doesn't make sense. But it was a nice try.

With the movie example, we're talking about a comparison between a hypothetical dubbed movie and a hypothetical subtitled movie (same movie). We're not talking about anything being affected, or if we are, I can just as well couch the fart/symphony example in such terms. How does each affect the experience of sitting in the concert hall? Which is preferable, sitting in the hall, listening to the fart, or sitting in the hall, listening to the symphony? There's certainly more room for making mistakes in the symphony. How can the performer mess up a fart? Both have the commonality of affecting the experience of the audience sitting in the concert hall.

The point really is that because you can identify some non-analogous aspect to something put forth as an analogy, that alone does not mean the analogy fails. You need to explain why that aspect is relevant. We have a comparison between a dubbed version and a subtitled version of the same movie. We have a comparison between a fart and a symphony. How is the underlying commonality of "the same movie" relevant to the argument that thing X is preferable to thing Y if thing X leaves less room to screw up than thing Y does?

We hear this complaint about analogies all the time. "That's different, because ...". Of course it's different. If it were completely the same, it wouldn't be an analogy (unless we think of everything as analogous to itself). The question of why the difference makes the analogy fail must be addressed.

[extro...]

And did I mention that the only people who claim to prefer subtitles are artsy-fartsy intellectual wannabees? I meant to earlier. Find a whole in that logic.

[The Master]

[Courk]

I saw The Bridge on the River Kwai tonight. I thought it was pretty good. I'm not sure I fully understand it yet, but I enjoyed it.

I thought it was a black and white movie, but TCM or AMC, whichever channel I was watching, showed it in color. Anyone know how it was originally?

[Travis*]

I agree with all the intellectuals liking subtitles. I personally don't prefer them, for all the reasons that that meager peasant minded extro pointed out.

No, I agree with extro. Maybe though it's just a coincidence about intellectual wannabe's and subtitles. So far, it's a 100% positive correlation/coincidence though.

Reasons that subtitles have significant drawbacks over spoken dialogue has already been well pointed earlier in this thread by extro.

[wordcross]

I just got back from seeing Kingdom of Heaven. I thought it was good, pretty accurate as far as the historical characters involved go. Heck, even the Arabic was passable. The only thing that got me at all was how, whenever the Muslims were praying, there was also the call to prayer being given. This is not the way it works. The call to prayer is given, *then* you pray, they're never supposed to be simultaneous.

But that's a nitpick, has very little to do with the movie anyway, and really didn't cut down on my enjoyment at all

Oh, whoever that female lead role was, I didn't much like her acting.

Orlando Bloom was Orlando Bloom. It seems he was going for the Tom Cruise look half the time, but still, it's Orlando Bloom.

The dude in blue with a scar across his eye, he was cool.
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[Dan]

Time Bandits is insane. INSANE.

Scary part: Those terrifying 9-foot tall cow-skull-headed guys in tattered black robes with hooking tentacles for arms. Big points for costume design.

Funny part: The dog blew up. BWHAAHHAHAHA! Messing with the audience's emotions is great.
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[Dmi]

Yup, extro. Because I prefer subtitles makes me a wannabe intellectual. I wonder where I even mentioned intelligence anywhere. Sure. Go on with the ad hominem.

[Mackay]

Dmi learns quickly... he's got his accusation of ad hominem down pat already! =]

I'd call extro a peasant, but I've been beaten to it. *laugh* I don't think I can say anything about my preference for subtitles that I didn't already. =] Nothing to do with whether I think one way is better or not, everything to do with the way I, personally, absorb information. *shrug* I still don't see the need for one preference loooking down on another or establishing itself as superior.

[extro...]

[Antrax]

[Dmi]

I prefer subtitles because I feel more comfortable whne watching a foreign movie with subtitles. I really don't see why you're trying to say I'm a wannabe intellectual just because of my preference. Unless you expect me to like dubbing now because you're mocking me.

[Dmi]

Likewise, I could also make an "observation" that people who prefer subtitles are lazy illiterate fatasses.

[extro...]

[The Master]

What kind of movies are you watching where people are speaking so quickly that you can't keep up? I watch a lot of non english movies and I would say I have never come across a movie that made me have to concentrate to read the words. I would also say that most movies (well, most movies I watch) rarely mix visual and verbal sections unless there is a voiceover or something like that. Parts where characters talk usually do not commit your eyes to intense scrutiny of the screen and do not change very much. So I ask again, what kind of movies are you watching?
Also, I find it pretty gauche to say that everyone who likes subtitles are intellectual wannabes when a number of people here have already expressed favour of subtitles. It is a lame, insulting "point" that has no merit or business being anywhere in a civil discussion. To make such general statements as every single person who prefers subtitles are just doing it to look smart is so ludicrous I did not realize until now that you were actually serious.
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[Mackay]

extro... I suppose I should be offended... but I'm laughing way too hard.

*tries to think of some ad hominem to keep him "in gear" * Uhhh... eh, I got nothing. I don't care enough.

[Quail]

Last movie watched: Midway! Next movie watched: Sageant York. I may not get any sleep at all this weekend.

[Dmi]

Extro: I haven't been on this site very long. Is it customary of you to insult everyone who disagrees with you? What about in real life?

[extro...]

[The Master]

Holy shit! This guy really cares about his dubbing. So much so that all those who disagree sudenly become some great enemy worthy of a bizarre barrage of insulting verbiage.