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old grey mare
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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:53 pm Post subject: 41 |
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| Since people who don't burn flags aren't affected by the new law it should be passed because it increases the overall happiness. |
It would decrease my happiness. Any law passed is a law that needs to be enforced. And enforcement requires time and resources, such as my tax dollars. Why would I want to pay to enforce a stupid law? |
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Liberace
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:39 pm Post subject: 42 |
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| 4) Freedom and liberty - what are you, a freaking liberal? LIBERty, LIBERal ... see a connection? |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: 43 |
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| old grey mare wrote: |
| Chuck wrote: |
| Since people who don't burn flags aren't affected by the new law it should be passed because it increases the overall happiness. |
It would decrease my happiness. Any law passed is a law that needs to be enforced. And enforcement requires time and resources, such as my tax dollars. Why would I want to pay to enforce a stupid law? |
Flag burners pay taxes too. You can't expect to have the entire tax fund spent solely on things that you want. |
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old grey mare
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: 44 |
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When did I say I expected that? If the majority of the country wants to waste its money enforcing a nonsense law, then I guess I'm voted out and I'd have to deal with it. I said that would decrease my happiness.
Do other Americans here really want their tax money to pay prison fees for dumb punk kids who just want to be rebellious? |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: 45 |
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| Since they want to be jailed they'll find a way to do it. It's better to have them jailed for burning a flag than for burning someone's house or car. |
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old grey mare
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: 46 |
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| So you mean you want to make a flag-burning law just so we have a trap for malcontents? I think that could backfire. The more laws you make, the more the malcontents have to be discontented about. |
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extro...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: 47 |
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| old grey mare wrote: |
| The more laws you make, the more the malcontents have to be discontented about. |
Not just the malcontents either. |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject: 48 |
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| They're going to end up in jail anyway. It's better that it happen before the damage something of real value. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: 49 |
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GH
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: 50 |
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You definitely need a more global marketing campaign. There are so many possibilities for marketing these to budding terrorists, Hollywood windbags, world championship sporting event organizers, and the French, to name a few.
You may even want to investigate the opportunity for a government contract to manufacture your matches with RFID chips in the heads. Imagine! From flag-waving fanatics to dirty hippies to psychotic terrorists, and Big Brother watching them all! |
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arandomguy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: 51 |
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Um no extro, it's making a threat upon the nation potentially putting billions of lives in danger. It's illeagal to make death threats upon people or a nation. It's about time we start enforcing the law.
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Evil Empire
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: 52 |
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| it's making a threat upon the nation potentially putting billions of lives in danger |
I know I'm going to regret this, but how exactly? |
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extro...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: 53 |
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| arandomguy wrote: |
| Um no extro, ... |
No, what?
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| it's making a threat upon the nation potentially putting billions of lives in danger. |
You don't actually believe that. You couldn't be that stupid, as thorough a job as you've done to convince us otherwise. If I go out and burn a flag in the town square, how, in real and concrete terms, might that put billions of lives in danger?
Again, people have died defending the freedoms we have, and that are the foundation of America, and to propose trashing them is far more a threat and likely, in the long run, to put lives in danger, than the burning of any flag.
People who love this country sometimes burn flags in protest of that which is wrong with it. The apathetic who couldn't give a fuck about this country or what is wrong with it never burn flags.
People who love this country and know what it is about and what makes it great don't try to tamper with what has worked, and has made it great, for the last 200+ years just so they can say they're more patriotic than someone else. Those who couldn't give a fuck about what makes this nation great, though, they would have no problem with it.
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| It's illeagal to make death threats upon people or a nation. It's about time we start enforcing the law. |
My point was that if it actually is treason, and is against the law, you don't need to change the law, do you? It's already illegal, you say, but you want to make it illegal again?
But in fact it isn't treason. It is a symbolic act, very much open to interpretation. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: 54 |
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| Evil Empire wrote: |
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| it's making a threat upon the nation potentially putting billions of lives in danger |
I know I'm going to regret this, but how exactly? |
Talk about WMDs - these flags should be illegal if they're capable of that. |
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Courk
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject: 55 |
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| My nailpolish. I just put it on this morning, and it's already peeling off. |
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Lauritz Melchior
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: 56 |
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Martin Luther King Jr.s Letter From a Birmingham Jail
I'm not saying that this is something that annoys me, but rather offering it as an indirect argument against anti-flag-burning laws, and as a stronger argument against other laws, such as the Patriot Act. In fact, it could even be an argument against Bush's war.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:29 am Post subject: 57 |
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| extro... wrote: |
| If I go out and burn a flag in the town square, how, in real and concrete terms, might that put billions of lives in danger? |
Well, obviously the billions part was exaggerated. America has 300+ million people. But what if you start a fire? And it is a real possibility in the hands of idiot punks. |
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Courk
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:57 am Post subject: 58 |
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| OMG, we should ban candles! |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: 59 |
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| Nobody uses them anyway. And if they do, they only burn down their own house. |
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Coyote
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: 60 |
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| But the house fire could spread to nearby flags, thereby putting 300+ million lives in danger. |
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Lauritz Melchior
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject: 61 |
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Good point, Coyote. I think that it's pretty obvoius that flags should be banned for the safety of the country.
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extro...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: 62 |
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| Certainly you shouldn't be allowed to have a flag on your house, lest the house burn down and ignite the flag, thereby anihilating the universe somehow. |
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arandomguy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject: 63 |
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If we can burn flags then why can't we burn people?
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Courk
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: 64 |
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| Let's ban houses so that there's no risk of them burning down and igniting the flag. |
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extro...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: 65 |
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| arandomguy wrote: |
| If we can burn flags then why can't we burn people? |
That's a good one, but wouldn't you rather think about it for a while and figure it out yourself? |
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Travis*
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: 66 |
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| You guys can make fun all you want but the fact remains, the American flag is indeed a fire hazzard. Especially when its soaking wet with gasoline. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: 67 |
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| If we can burn flags then why can't we burn people? |
People have a very high moisture content - something like 90 percent water. I think that's the problem. |
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extro...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: 68 |
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| If we can burn flags then why can't we burn people? |
Because Betsy Ross was not capable, nor was any flag designer since capable, of endowing their creation with rights. America, on the other hand, is founded on the recognition that all people are endowed by their creator with unalienable rights, including the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Burning people violates those rights.
But what a stupid question. |
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Eykir
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: 69 |
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| arandomguy wrote: |
| If we can burn flags then why can't we burn people? |
We already can burn flags. In fact, burning is the recommended way of disposing with a flag.
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| (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. (Disposal of Unserviceable Flags Ceremony) |
The American Legion |
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extro...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject: 70 |
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Come to think of it, it works for people too: http://www.cremation.org/
But they have to be dead first. |
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arandomguy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject: 71 |
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That's a proper burning though. Duh.
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extropalopakettle
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject: 72 |
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| If we can burn flags then why can't we burn people? |
Seriously, what is your point here?
How would it be different to ask: If we can burn newspapers, why can't we burn people?
Granted, flags are not the same as newspapers, but they aren't the same as people either, are they? I'd really love to know what, if anything, you were thinking when you wrote this. (my new sig, btw) |
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Lauritz Melchior
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: 73 |
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Doesn't he come up with the craziest quotes?
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arandomguy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: 74 |
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American Flags symbolize everything that's good about the world. People like extro symbolize everything what's wrong with the world.
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Lauritz Melchior
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: 75 |
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I daresay that this is another great quote:
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| American Flags symbolize everything that's good about the world. |
If only it were true.
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randomguy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:18 am Post subject: 76 |
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I sure am a dumbass, aren't I?
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extropalopakettle
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: 77 |
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| American Flags symbolize everything that's good about the world. |
The American flag certainly doesn't symbolize the sort of things that you believe are good (why don't you try articulating just what those things are, if you're capable), and you insult the flag and America to suggest so, though, to be charitable, I'll suggest you're too ignorant to see that.
Besides, you're an idiot. I mean, seriously, "why can't we burn people?" WTF is that supposed to mean??? Are you an idiot (I say yes), or can you explain that? You don't have to prove you're not an idiot - just allow us a tiny shred of reasonable doubt about it.
If you're interested in a genuine discussion, where you attempt to back up what you say, or otherwise concede you can't, there are people here who might be interested. But random assertions without having the balls to see them through gets old pretty fast (it already has). Come on - intelligent discussion - give it your best shot. |
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arandomguy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: 78 |
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Cuz America was the first democracy and allows morons like you to spout your crap.
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extropalopakettle
No offense, but....
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:31 am Post subject: 79 |
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| That was your best shot? |
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extropalopakettle
No offense, but....
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: 80 |
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| arandomguy wrote: |
| Cuz America was the first democracy and allows morons like you to spout your crap. |
Can anyone figure out which question this is supposed to be an answer to? |
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