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Is it impressive/surprising that 98% of the world population believes in some kind of god?
No - it's human nature to believe in a superior being.
25%
 25%  [ 5 ]
No, because he/she/it exists.
20%
 20%  [ 4 ]
Yes, it is impressive/surprising.
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
That statistic is crap.
45%
 45%  [ 9 ]
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doormouse11
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:27 am    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

what do you think?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:34 am    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

Where did you get this statistic from? On face value it sounds like crap (or at the very least, a poorly made survey), but I'm curious.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:10 am    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

Indeed. I think there is a good percentage of "religious" people that doubt the existance of God but continue the rituals. So if your 2% is based upon those that explicitly state they don't believe in God, I think that's bad methodology.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

Strictly speaking, half of the world's population is from traditionally Western religious traditions and the other half is from traditionally Eastern religious traditions, with the Western 'half' being slightly larger. In other words, roughly 3 billion, or 50% of the population, were not raised to be monotheistic, and thus does not believe in "some sort of god".

I think that the point you are trying to make is that lots of people have faith in some higher power. [edit]I think that many people believe that this higher power cannot be encapsulated in a single simplistic deity.[/edit]

Edited to replace a horribly strongly-worded rebuttal with a gentler opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:16 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

I'd say most people are "eastern"

Other than that I wholeheartedly disagree with you. It could be a translation thing.

Although in re blunt. Yeah. You are sharp like bowling ball, swift like tree.
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extropalopakettle
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:24 pm    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

Leptonn wrote:
In other words, roughly 3 billion, or 50% of the population, were not raised to be monotheistic, and thus does not believe in "some sort of god".


I know many Hindus who claim that the labelling of Hinduism as polytheistic is from misunderstanding. I don't know if they're right, or if it's a sort of revisionism going on since there seems to be a commonly accepted perception that polytheism is plainly inferior to monotheism.

In any case, Vishnu is "some sort of god", which Hindus believe in. The link, btw, speaks to the whole monotheism/polytheism confusion.

And then there's the question of whether Buddhists believe in "some sort of god".
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:26 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

And people have "accused" Catholicism of being polytheistic over it's notion of the Holy Trinity - that God is One God in three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:30 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheistic
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

Catholicism...it's three--THREE--THREE GODS IN ONE!

Ahem...sorry. Felicitous
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Da5id
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:19 am    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

Leptonn: I see what you're saying now.
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extropalopakettle
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:29 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.html
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:25 am    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

hehe, so it looks like the statistic is crap. Razz

Leptonn
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I think that the point you are trying to make is that lots of people have faith in some higher power.


Thanks - yes, that is the point I was trying to make. Felicitous I didn't mean specifically one god or many gods. Just any sort of higher power.

Extro's site has 3.8% atheist, not counting several other groups (non-religious, other, etc) that may or may not believe in a god-like-being(s), so I guess the 2% is a pretty big underestimate.

Lemme ask another question - is it abnormal to not believe in a higher power?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:25 am    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

oops - that was me ^
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

In doormouse's defense, 80% of statistics are made up anyway. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:47 am    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

doormouse11 wrote:
Lemme ask another question - is it abnormal to not believe in a higher power?


I am assuming that you mean "higher power" in the supernatural sense. A freethinker who disdains religions might accept that the sun is a "higher power," since it sustains life on earth and it is not subject to our control or replication.

Now, do you mean "abnormal" in the sense of "not usual," or do you mean it in the sense of "defective?" If the former, the answer is obvious, even if those statistics are mostly crap.

If the latter... You can certainly find enough examples where nonbelievers are ostracized, defamed, barred from political office, harrassed, threatened, incarcerated or murdered to make a cultural case for their "abnormality," but this is, I think, a subjective standard.

If you mean to ask whether nonbelievers are quite right in the head... This also is subjective. But I might inquire in return whether it is "sane" to believe that an invisible guy with magic powers made the entire universe in a week, and that it's impossible to prove that he exists, and that this very impossibility is a valid justification for believing in him anyway...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

Huh, the way you put it, I'm not quite sure what I was asking. Razz

I guess I am wondering if people who don't believe in a "supernatural" type of higher power are enough of a minority to really stand out.

I remember when I went to church, I was told that Christians really stood out in society - it was implied that Christians were a minority. I live in the Bible belt though, so I don't really don't think that that's true at all.

I currently spend most of my time at a college campus, so while I'm not anxious to say that I don't believe in God (just as I tend to avoid politics...), I don't actually feel like much of an odd ball. But I get the impression college campuses aren't really that religious, so I don't know if that would be the case elsewhere.

Maybe it would be better to ask whether atheists stand out in society in general.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

I think that the true minority is people that actually think about their spirituality. Of this minority some believe in this religion or that religion, some believe in something they wouldn't call a religion, and some are atheists.

The majority just believe what they were brought up to believe.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:59 am    Post subject: 18 Reply with quote

I think that it is natural to seek purpose in life and that sort of thing. Those questions have traditionally been answered by people who want to scare others into behaving.

If there is no more to a human than the sum total of his/her parts (ie: no soul, in any form), then I think that it could be argued that purpose-in-life questions need not involve higher powers because there is no need for them, needless of any possible existence.

However, the concept of a god has become so irrevocably ingrained into western society that even the most atheistic among us ought to honestly review the nature of our affection for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It is like aliens: there probably aren't any Little Green Men among us, yet if you took a sample of 100 westerners and asked them to draw a picture of an alien, you would likely get 95 images of a 4' high green guy with almond eyes and webbed fingers.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:15 am    Post subject: 19 Reply with quote

*tagging fixed.....grammar left alone Razz
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jja
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:10 am    Post subject: 20 Reply with quote

doormouse11 wrote:
Maybe it would be better to ask whether atheists stand out in society in general.


Generally, only if they come out of the closet.

Dan Barker, author of Losing Faith In Faith, describes how his christian friends reacted when he announced that he had become an atheist, and mentions how his atheism spread to his parents. I think his father's quote is nicely relevant:

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After Dad stopped believing in God, he was amazed at how quickly his Christian friends turned on him. "I used to think it was a tough thing to be a Christian in this big, bad world. You want to see something interesting, try not being one."

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