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doormouse11
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

Just kidding! I mean, unless you answered yes! I mean...


I actually meant to ask: What are the benefits of getting married (other than tax cuts Cannibal)?

A while back I asked my parents why they got married and they thought that was a strange and awkward question. But I really don't get it.

I understand that a lot of people get married to create more stability when they have kids - that makes sense to me. And then there are tax benefits, but I doubt anyone actually gets married for tax cuts. What is the plus-side to getting married? I mean, what does marriage add to an already happy, long-term monogamous relationship? I assume there must be lots of nice bonuses to getting married since people have wanted to get married for thousands of years. Is that true?
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casinopete
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:43 am    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

Marriage, Legal:

In some places it might get you tax relief, in others your children might not be considered legal citizens if you are not married. It all depends on the country in which you live, and its legal system.

Marriage, Social:

This basically involves letting people know you are married. Some social systems demand this - you will be considered some variety of outcast if you behave as a married couple without having your marriage "legitimized" by the priest or whatever. Beyond that, its also a matter of public rejoicing. You get to throw a huge party and have your marriage celebrated. Friends and family gather and wish you well. There may also be gifts.

Marriage, Spiritual:

If two people love one another, and intend to spend their lives together, that is marriage. So in this sense, marriage doesn't add to an already happy, long-term monogamous relationship, because that relationship is marriage already.
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Dread Pirate Westley
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

It's all a scam set up by the stripping industry. You see, bachelor (and bachelorette) parties are extremely profitable for them. All this other stuff about dresses, and flowers, and receptions and the like sprung up around the original concept of the bachelor party.

You know, like Valentine's Day and Hallmark and Christmas and, er, everything.
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Lauritz Melchior
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:28 pm    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

There's a really fascinating book called "Making Love: An Erotic Odyssey" by Richard Rhodes. It's actually his sexual autobiography, and he's amazingly honest in it. Near the end he talks about the last person that he ended up living with, and how they both decided not to get married and feel that their relationshp is better because of that.
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doormouse11
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

Thanks Casinopete - I think the social part is what I was confused on. It makes more sense explained like that.

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It's all a scam set up by the stripping industry. You see, bachelor (and bachelorette) parties are extremely profitable for them. All this other stuff about dresses, and flowers, and receptions and the like sprung up around the original concept of the bachelor party.

You know, like Valentine's Day and Hallmark and Christmas and, er, everything.

I'm definitely suggesting to my family that we hire strippers this Christmas! Ecstatic Happiness Oh yeah.


Lauritz - Thanks for the book suggestion. I'll have to look it up next time I'm sitting around the store reading books I can't buy yet - which will probably be tomorrow Felicitous .
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Lauritz Melchior
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:22 am    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

It's actually my parents Embarassed
I don't that they've read it though, cause it's been in my room =p]
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

Anecdotally, many of my friends feel that marriage (or engagement, in any case) is a good way to express commitment and love and all that. Dumbasses.
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Mr Stoofer
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

I used to feel like you, doormouse.

Then I got married.

It makes a huge difference to the way I feel about my life and my relationship. Going through a ceremony where we both commit to each other for the rest of our lives gave me a sense of security and happiness that can't be described, it can only be experienced.

I'd recommend it to anyone, provided you've found the right man, woman or whatever...
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Ctorj
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:39 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

Mr Stoofer wrote:
I used to feel like you, doormouse.

Then I got married.

It makes a huge difference to the way I feel about my life and my relationship. Going through a ceremony where we both commit to each other for the rest of our lives gave me a sense of security and happiness that can't be described, it can only be experienced.

I'd recommend it to anyone, provided you've found the right man, woman or whatever...

Amen Mr. Stoofer!!
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GH
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

Leptonn wrote:
Dumbasses.
I don't understand this sentiment. Why does it make people stupid to express their feelings through a ceremony? Many people express the same types of feelings (commitments, tributes, etc.) by getting tattoos. I don't personally think it's an excellent choice, but I don't think it makes them stupid, either. Having both a mother who was and a wife who is a preschool teacher, I know that a large number of people think that a "preschool graduation" ceremony is an important and worthwhile undertaking. I happen to think it's ridiculous, but they enjoy it. Does that make them stupid?

If you were objecting to some preferential treatment given to people based on which types of commitment they expressed and which ceremonies they used to express them, then I think I'd understand your distaste for the situation better. But why deride people who think of engagement or marriage as a valid and powerful way to express their feelings?
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mith
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

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I know that a large number of people think that a "preschool graduation" ceremony is an important and worthwhile undertaking. I happen to think it's ridiculous, but they enjoy it. Does that make them stupid?


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GH
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

It's actually not meant to be. I personally think it's absurd. But does that mean that people who think it's important are stupid? What about fishing? Or a birthday party for a kid who's turning 1? Or handing out trophies to every kid on the team at the end of a sports season in which we don't even keep score, let alone track win-loss records?

I just believe there's a big difference between "I think that's a silly thing do" and "You're a dumb-ass."
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Lepton
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:54 am    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

GH:

I should have made my circumstances a bit more clear. I am an early-20s kid. Most of my engaged friends are being rash and immature. (an opinion shared by many mutual friends) Anecdotal, as I said.
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Mackay
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:48 am    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

Not all people who become engaged in their early 20s are dumbasses... Melancholy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:10 am    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

Yeah... but most of 'em are. Felicitous
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Talitha
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:39 am    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

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what does marriage add to an already happy, long-term monogamous relationship?
Very little, IMO. Dave and I lived together and we even had a child before we got married. The only major thing that changes is that it's a lot harder to get out of the relationship. Creates a kind of enforced commitment I guess. But when you have children together, that exists already.

Hey, I used to think marriage would be this wonderful spiritual bond, but in reality it's very much just like any other relationship.

Hmm, but I'm not trying to spoil anyone's romantic notions. Like anything else in life, marriage is what you make of it and it can be wonderful.
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MatthewV
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

For guys it means you get to stop buying flowers. And you get to eat the chocolate yourself.
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Samadhi
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:16 am    Post subject: 18 Reply with quote

Yeah, if you never want to have sex again.
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Talitha
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:06 am    Post subject: 19 Reply with quote

Hmm, you mean if I held out I could've been getting flowers all this time??

I have never had flowers from a husband Melancholy
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doormouse11
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:10 am    Post subject: 20 Reply with quote

Awww, that makes me want to send you flowers!

My boyfriend doesn't get me flowers either. He does get me a lot of ice cream though (I actually like ice cream a lot more than flowers). And he takes me out to eat.
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darquiel
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:58 am    Post subject: 21 Reply with quote

My bestest buddy got married six years ago... I dont think he's gotten laid once in these 6 years.... He actually had to explain that in the trying to have children thing, you have to get it on at least once. lol
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Jeff K
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:15 am    Post subject: 22 Reply with quote

lolz!!!!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Mackay
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: 23 Reply with quote

I cannot stop laughing at the above post.
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Kd
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: 24 Reply with quote

Laughter is mighty infectious...

Bonus of being married: Other people you know don't bug you about it. Felicitous Ever since my sister got married (a few years ago now) everyone in the family has been saying 'Ooh, it's Kady's turn next...' and it reeeeallly annoys me. What if I don't want to get married? What if I just... never marry? Are they going to keep saying it for the rest of my life? I hope not. Getting married has always been a big deal to people around me for some reason...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:00 am    Post subject: 25 Reply with quote

I have two best friends. All of us are 20 years of age. I had a baby Oct 24th of 99, and am considering another soon as my life is pretty straight. One of my best friends had one on June 16th of this year, the other had one on Aug 5th of this year. None of us are married. We've been friends for years and lost touch for two years, just finding each other again earlier last month, and we were all in the same situation with people judging and such SOOOOO much because we are not married. The father of my child died shortly after 9/11, and one of my friends left her bf of a couple of years, and the father of her child just last month... So all but one are single mothers, and the one who isnt, has no plans to marry. I hate how EVERYONE around us try to rush us into finding someone and getting married, and how everyone around judges our every move just because there is no ring on our fingers. It sucks.

EDIT: Sooo sorry. Just needed to rant a bit cuz someone just got me mighty miffed IR.
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