Mgm's Literary Mafia (GAME OVER! Find out who won...)

[The Cheshire Man]

I'm going to...

Unvote: KK
Vote: Pooky

...and hope that Fritzler and the SK nightkill each other.
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[Fritzler]

[Talzor]

KK and DR are there any chance of convincing you to vote for Pooky? And if not what about Fritzler? That is if TCM are willing to lynch him too. Otherwise we might as well go to night immediately.

[The Cheshire Man]

Was that a roleclaim, Fritzler?
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[Pooky]

u guys still haven't figured out Talzor=scum yet?
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[Pooky]

i love how talzorscum can blatantly fish around for bandwagons on any1 other than himself at lynch or lose.

shifty as ever enh?
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[kennykiller]

[Pooky]

wow

guess you finally came out to support your scumpartner after lurking so long enh KK?

smooth real smooth.

KK+Talzor=Scumbagos

TCM=getting snowed protown player

Me=too pissed at the ridiculous pace of this game to actually care, heck the last time i tried making a case with logic i got bandwagonned for being "pushy"

gonna go down just like that smilies mafia where I pegged CasinoPete as Mafia and got promptly ignored by every1.

I'd be mean and nasty but it'd be a waste of time.
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[Pooky]

wow

guess you finally came out to support your scumpartner after lurking so long enh KK?

smooth real smooth.

KK+Talzor=Scumbagos

TCM=getting snowed protown player

Me=too pissed at the ridiculous pace of this game to actually care, heck the last time i tried making a case with logic i got bandwagonned for being "pushy"

gonna go down just like that smilies mafia where I pegged CasinoPete as Mafia and got promptly ignored by every1.

I'd be mean and nasty but it'd be a waste of time.
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[Talzor]

The way I see it.

We are 6 persons. It takes 4 to lynch.
Pooky and Fritzler are obviously beyond discursion/reason locking two votes on me. This means the only possible lynches are me, Pooky and Fritzler.
Since I know I'm town and have done what I can to convince you of the fact, this leaves Pooky and Fritzler (from my perspective).
I find it likely that if the town doesn't lynch correctly this day we lose.
So basically:
Pooky is innocent and DR doesn't votes him = we lose
Pooky is innocent and DR votes him = we lose
Pooky is guilty and DR doesn't votes him = we lose
Pooky is guilty and DR votes him = we win survive another day

Btw. the current configuration also makes it very unlikely that there are 2 scum (on the same team) among DR, kk and TCM as they could probably just vote me and be done with it.

[Pooky]

Pooky is innocent and DR doesn't votes him = we lose

Explain that line of logic please.

I call BS btw.

Nice try putting a dilemna in front of DR that doesn't exist.
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[Talzor]

[Pooky]

according to the deadline, failure for DR to vote me would result in a NL, which I can't see how it would lose the game automatically for the town considering that it's 6 alive and probly only 2 scum since 3 would be too much for us to overcome

at 5-2 after scum nightkill we'd have actually more chance of hitting a scumbag.

Thus your statement is patently false and applies pressure to DR without due reason.
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[Talzor]

You seem to be forgetting that we have evidence of at least two killing groups and possibly a third. Also we have a dead vig, so the chances of any of the killers being pro-town are slim.

[Pooky]

thus letting them shoot each other in an NL is better than lynching one group and letting the other win too no?

there is no bloody scenario where NL gurantees us a loss at this point where we haven't already lost.

unless the cult recruiter is recruiting from the dead or something.
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[Talzor]

[Pooky]

I'm pretty sure every1 can see that my stance on whether you're scum or not.

right now I'm just pointing out that you're trying to pull out false dilemnas to pressure DR into lynching me.
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[Talzor]

I fail to see how I'm pressuring him with false dilemmas. I would like DR to vote you and all I have done is to clearly state my assumptions and beliefs about the current game state. He may agree or he may not.

All I see is a person trying to twist my posts to save himself.

[Pooky]

then present a single possible case for this game setup where NL will significantly decrease the town's chances of winning from its current state and clearly cite the probabilities involved.

Otherwise you're just lying through your teeth.
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[Talzor]

Lets say that the setup is this:
2 mafia (M), 1 SK (S) and 3 townies (T).

To win this setup the town needs one of the scum groups to kill the other.

[Mgm]

I've just dropped DR a note. I don't remember sending one before and sorry if I should have.

[Pooky]

amazing how you have the balls to try to spin clearly prisoner's dilemna cases where scum and SK have optimal strategies as random choices.
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[Talzor]

[The Cheshire Man]

Can't you all see that Pooky = scum?
Fritzler: I repeat, was that a roleclaim you made, that comment about being bulletproof?
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[Pooky]

MSTT = Forced NL as L M or L S = T Lose
11% - M kills S, S kills M = T Win
22% - M kills T1, S kills T1 -> MST
MST = Forced NL as L M or L S = T Lose and L T = Draw
25% - M kills S, S kills M -> T = T Win
75% - Other = T Lose
77% - Other = T Lose


because the !@#$ing mafia and SK aren't going to be shooting randomly into the night? because it's not that hard to figure out who the other killer is and shoot him?

your scenario depends on the SK and mafia being as blind as a !@#$ing bat and shooting randomly into the night.
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[kennykiller]

Allthough nothing really happened since my last post, I just want to post to say that my vote on Pooky doesn't change. I hope DR shows up until the deadline.
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[Talzor]

[Dead Rikimaru]

Hi,
Sorry for my disappearance, during the time I was participating no one was paying attention to what I was saying so I took a break from the game. After that I went through a hellish period at work and kind of forgot mafia in general (along with other things, like sleep).
I was now brought back by the prods of all the games I am in. Since the situation is more or less under control at work I intend to participate normally from now on.

About the Pooky vs Talzor situation I must say that none of you two is my prime suspect at the moment, but I don't trust any of you enough to follow your arguments against each other.

The person I suspect the least is still TCM (it's clear to me that he started as a mason, if he is still a cultist or not is not my prime concern at the moment, since we have only one killing scum left)

The person I suspect the most is still KK (nothing personal, KK. I saw reason to doubt and your explanation did not convince me. Not having investigative powers I can only rely on my own discernment to tell truth from lie.)

That said I'd like you people to check what I said in post 428 and give me your opinion.

If people still disagree than I will choose one between Pooky and Talzor. I am not saying who I suspect more between the two because I don't want it to influence their decision on the KK matter.

Don't worry. I will decide my vote before the deadline.
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[Dead Rikimaru]

[Dead Rikimaru]

So, no one even want to state their opinion?
It's a shame people here looks not to be trying to find scum. Everyone seems to be using strategies to try to survive one more day, regardless of who is lynched or no one is lynched.
That's what people expect scum to do, and townies acting this way just help scum to hide easily.

We need four votes to lynch someone this day, or there will be a no-lynch. So Talzor is not really at risk, even if I vote him it will be a no-lynch.

The true question is: What is better for town: lynch Pooky or No-lynch.

1- I don't blieve in No-lynch. In a town without Vigilante lynching is the only way of town to get rid of scum. We can't count on scum to get rid of scum for us (last night they got rid of the doc). So we MUST try to lynch well.
It's funny how last Day people were advocating No-lynch in order to test TCM's claim. So we had No-lynch and TCM proved to have the power he claimed. That's the problem: He proved to have the power, he didn't prove to be innocent. And since Leonidas (who I insisted in lynching) was a GF if TCM was in his group he would still be alive by now.

2- Pooky has no reasoning at all. During this day I tryed to get as much info as possible on the way Talzor's power worked. I analyzed the possible origins of the message that said he was scum and Pooky simply ignored it. He just keep saying that Tazor is scum because Talzor is scum and in game x he said player z was scum and nobody believed him. Well, I can give examples a and b of games where he tryed too hard to lynch players based on his gut and was wrong. (example b is this game and he tryed to lynch amb, our doc)

3- The Pooky+Fritzler alliance make it harder for town to identify one of them as scum. Every game they vote together and they never vote each other. They always try to reach endgame together (regardless of each one's alignement) and it makes it even harder to read Fritzler. All Fritzler has to do is sit there and vote with Pooky. If we lynch one of them at least the other will have to really participate.

Because of the above reasons, even though I would rather lynch Talzor over Pooky, I think lynching Pooky is better than NL. I just hope he is really scum.

unvote,
vote Pooky
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[Mgm]

We appear to have a lynch. (finally!)

Expect the death scene later today or tomorrow.

Vote count
Pooky (4): Talzor, TCM, kennykiller, Dead Rikimaru
Talzor (2): Pooky, Fritzler

[Mgm]

Dead Rikimaru finally makes a decision. "Off with his head!"

"Hold on! Can't I have any last words?"

Everyone stares at Pooky with a blank look on their faces. No one really knows what to say, so Pooky uses their indecision and keeps talking. "Does anyone know why a raven is like a writing desk?"

Fritzler shrugs. "I dunno."

Kennykiller shakes his head too. "Me neither."

"Because it can produce a few notes, though they are very flat; and it is nevar put with the wrong end in front!"

And that's the last pun Pooky ever said or wrote. Pencils are sharpened and his body is strapped to the wall ready to be used as an authors' darts board. TCM wins the match with a nice throw that left a pencil right between Pooky's eyes.

Pooky, also known as Lewis Carroll (mafia scumbag) has been lynched... sort of.

It is now NIGHT 4. Please send choices to the Isaac Asimod account.

[Isaac Asimod]

Day 4 dawns and everyone is awoken by a flash of light from Dead Rikimaru's room. In contrast to his name, he's still quite alive, but you can't help but notice the vomit and the half eaten tray of breakfast cereal. Something definitely happened here.

Then you hear a gunshot and everyone -well, perhaps not EVERYone- rushes to the hotel's auditorium to find Fritzler slumped in a breakfast table chair, a small round and bloody hole adorning the center of his forehead.
Fritzler, aka Agatha Christie (cop) has been shot.

You managed to get a scumbag yesterday, can you do the same today? Things are getting awfully close...

4 alive, 3 to lynch

[kennykiller]

So there's four of us left. It could have been worse (or better, depending on which side DR stands). What seems to be a highly possible scenario now is that we are left with two good and two bad guys (1 SK, 1 Mafia, 2 Townies). If we kill one of the townies today we have to hope that the SK and the Mafia kill each other.

From a neutral point of view the only one who looks really innocent is TCM as he is a time travelling mason. And I have never heard of a mason SK or even a mason who is mafia while the other's not.

That leaves DR, Talzor and me. DR was nearly killed this night and why was he only nearly killed? I protected him. I chose him because Fritzler didn't look that innocent in my eyes and Talzor had the doubt of the message he deciphered. I now see that I was wrong with protecting him.

vote: DR
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[Talzor]

Good morning gentlemen. As I don't think anybody else want's any breakfast I shall get strait to the point. First a full roleclaim: I am Grek Vilk, cryptographer. At night I've been listening to scum chatter on a radio. From this I have gleamed 2 facts.
1: There are three mafia (Actually at least 3 mafia, but I seriously doubt a 4th)
2: The mafia killed igota and are thus the stuffers.

So, what happened last night.
DR was attracted by the mafia, but survived.
Fritzler was killed by the SK, I'm guessing because the SK thought he as the last mafia.

This means that now we have a MSTT scenario. Clearly lynching either the M or the S will mean the town loses, so we shall support no such thing. So how do the next night look? If either of the scums kill the other without being killed himself he wins (as the other has killed a town). In short, the towns only chance is that the scum kill each other and the scums only chance is to kill the other scum and hope he's not killed himself. Note that if both townies are killed, everybody loses.

So what do we know?
1. DR cannot be the last mafia.
2. KK has claimed doc
3. We have 1 dead doc and 2 dead cops.
4. TCM is/was a mason an has made a timetravel

I have a pretty good idea of who is who, but that means little. What matters for the town is that the 2 killers should have as high a chance as possible of killing each other. To this effect I'm the single greatest obstacle, as I could be the SK getting pooky scum killed, but I could also be the last scum trying to cloak myself. Normally, that would sound unlikely, but in this game being hidden from the SK should be the single greatest concern to the scum. (Infact we know that the last mafia was part of the pooky lynch yesterday!)

Considering all this I shall play the greatest gambit the town has: I shall advocate my own lynch. Vote: Talzor.
To the 2 scum would might think that this is a bad idea, as it benefits the town, I would just like to point out that the other townie is sure to vote for me, so refusing to lynch me will reveal your identity to each other, leaving you with a funny night.

[kennykiller]

Talzor you are right about the situation that if we lynch one scum the town is lost. I didn't thought this to the end. My only thinking was: I think I know who has to be scum in one way or another so I try to lynch him. unvote: DR

But I'm not sure if we should lynch you. Here are some scenarios with the very likely assumption that we are at a MSTT situation and the not so likely assumption that Talzor is innocent:

1. Talzor is lynched. That leaves MST for the night. Both scum groups try a nightkill. I'm not able to protect myself and won't protect anybody else. That leaves a one in four chance for either town winning, mafia winning, SK winning and a mafia/SK draw (correct me if I'm wrong with the numbers).

2. Same as before but only one group decides to kill. If he hits the other scum he wins, if he hits the townie he draws.

3. Again same as before but both are not killing in the night. Whoever T votes gets the second vote from the other scum who later wins.

4. If the other townie is lynched the same as 1 to 3 applies.

5. Scum is lynched. The other scum wins.

6. We decide on a no lynch. Scum decides to stop killing. General draw.

7. No lynch. One scum kills. If it's a townie same chances 1 - 3. If it's the other scum we're at STT or MTT which is not superb but quite good.

8. No lynch. Both scum kill. If they hit each other . If one hits the other and one a townie the one that hit scum wins. If both hit the same townie see 1 to 3. If both hit a different townie draw.

I'm too lazy now to figure out what would be the best way. You'll hear from me later.
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[Talzor]

[Dead Rikimaru]

Hi,
I apologize for not doing a useful post but right now I lack the free time (and the sleep) to make the big posts I'm used to.

At this moment I'd like to ask everyone do not vote yet. Being at obviously the last Day of the game we must take our time and discuss properly. We should discuss first and vote only after getting all the opinions.

I do have interesting things to say. During the weekend I will post more.
Sorry for the inconvenient.
DR
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[kennykiller]

[Talzor]

Unvote. At work. Will post later.