Chocolate Mafia: Game Over!

[Talzor]

I'm not going to get any more insight, so Wrap Fuldu.

[Amb]

Thats 3 of the votes needed. I think that is all the active players posting.

We need a replacement for TCM.

[Fuldu]

Twits. I'm an Oompa Loompa, the backup doc who took over when Wonka was killed. I'd have to look to see exactly who I protected on the earlier nights, but last night my protection was on Pooky. So if there's any question about why the mafia didn't kill Pooky last night, there's one reasonably likely explanation.
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[Amb]

2 or 3 lynch protected townies
2 night protected townies
1. Doctor
1. Tracker
1. Vig
1. Cop
+ Courk with a investigative claim
+ Fuldu with a doctorish claim.

We have an almightly powerful town, with at least 5 players with some form of immunity to being killed. A backup doc just seems unlikely to me, and an easy claim. Had no one died last night it may have been more plausible. Still... Unvote Temporarily. I don't believe him, but I do want to read reactions.

[Fuldu]

[Courk]

*wants talzor to claim*

[Courk]

Actually, never mind that. It doesn't really matter anyway.

Talzor = vanilla killer.
Amb = mafia.

Talzor has managed to kill at a better rate, and while we do have a doc, that doesn't necessarily guarantee that the mafia are not restricted somehow. Talzor seems the bigger threat.

Vote: Talzor

[Courk]

Unwrap

Wrap: Talzor

[Talzor]

Just for the record, I don't intend to give any defence against Courks attack other than: No, I'm not scum. So if anybody wants to vote me, go right ahead. If anybody want's a role claim I'll be more than happy to oblige, but I don't believe it will be in the least helpful.

[Fuldu]

I think this is the wrong approach, Courk. Assuming you believe me, which you appear to, then Amb is the player with the highest probability of being scum at all. Perhaps more likely mafia scum, but I don't agree that it's substantially more important that we find vanilla. But I do think that while Talzor is more likely scum than TCM or Pooky, that's not a risk we can afford today when there's another scum who is much more obvious. If I was an idiot and protected Pooky the lynch-protected vanilla SK last night, I don't want to compound the error by believing him over Talzor at this point.

And, forgive me for doubting, but if Amb turns up mafia, I'll be more likely to believe your claim, whereas if he turns up vanilla SK, that will tell the town something, as well.

Talzor, I'd like a role claim, and I'd like one from Amb at this point, too. If nothing else, they'll help me make my mind up about who to protect tonight.
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[Courk]

I see your point. The claims we've heard (your's and Pooky's) have been convincing to me, and I very highly doubt TCM is a vanilla SK since he hasn't been around, but yeah, I don't *know* that Pooky's telling the truth, and Talzor's guilt does depend on Pooky's innocence. I am 99% sure that Talzor is scum, though. Tomorrow, barring any other evidence, I want Talzor lynched.

Unwrap: Talzor
Wrap: Amb

[Amb]

[Courk]

So what are you?

[Amb]

A Hershey's Kiss

[Fuldu]

Earlier you suspected Pooky because he survived the night, so you must not have put your protection there. But then your best explanation for his not having been killed last night (a night in which a kill went missing, by the way) is that he is the scum and didn't, then, try to kill himself.

On the other hand, I protected Pooky last night, confident that scum would try to get rid of him since they hadn't been able to lynch him successfully. That accounts for the missing kill and for Pooky's still being alive.

So, who did you protect last night, Amb? Not Courk, since she's one of your primary suspects. Not me, for the same reason. TCM? Why would scum even attempt to kill him? Who did you protect that resulted in a kill going missing?
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[Fuldu]

Oh, yes, my confirming-my-role argument. It's been so long that I had forgotten about it.

Remember back on Day Four when Pooky was insistent that Nazgul's roleblock was the only possible explanation of why a kill hadn't gone through, and I didn't want to get on that bandwagon? And then on Day Five when I pushed Pooky to explain how, now that Nazgul was dead, there had again been a missed kill, when he had been so sure that roleblock was the only possible explanation? I wonder why I might have felt so strongly about the invalidity of that argument.

By comparison, I would note that Leonidas (pre-Amb) joined the HytoFry bandwagon without comment.
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[Amb]

I protected TCM, the most likely innocent of all living and thus a likely target.

[Amb]

What in the world would make you think TCM wouldnt be targetted. In an end game scenario with 3 alive and 1 scum, if TCM is alive, it would be a replacement that needs to choose between who is scum and who isn't. Most scum would be happier with 2 unknowns to go with them.

Look at it this way: If we lynch Fuldu, and I am who I say I am - I die overnight by scum who cannot risk leaving a doc alive. If we lynch Fuldu, and I am not who I say I am but scum, I die overnight by opposing scum who cannot afford to leave me alive. If we lynch me, guess who dies regardless of role. Fuldu.

So given my situation, why would I as scum claim Doc, knowing another killer was out there who would be forced to deal with me quickly. The only logical reason to claim is because I do NOT believe Fuldu and his attempt to twist things to save himself. My wrap isnt 50/50 anymore.

[Courk]

I'm happy with my wrap.

[Fuldu]

[Amb]

If you are that convinced of my scumminess and there being one more scum, and more night protected townies that the game merits why not let "Me" and the other scum hit it out overnight? I'm thinking that you are definitely scum, and by attempting to lynch a player you genuinely think might be scum you prevent a scum kill scum situation, and at worst case scenario you get rid of a doc who could unbalance things.

But all this means nothing: Look
1. Fuldu Wraps Me
2. Amb Wraps Fuldu
3. Courk Wraps me on account of going for Talzor or me
4. TCM Wraps nobody because he is gone
5. Pooky Wraps Nobody because he is gone.
6. Talzor Wrapes me or Fuldu.

Now I havent a clue where Talzor stands. I'm hoping he can see your blatant manipulation of me trying to sort out a poor unbalanced setup. Should he go for me, that gets 3 votes of the needed 4, and forces us to a no lynch. With 2 scum clearly alive a no lynch isnt so bad, they have to hunt each other down to win while surviving themselves...

If anything the players should be wrapping you for blatant lying (role) and manipulation (misquoting and trying to say any form of contradiction is proof of scumminess).

[Courk]

TCM did claim night-protected townie. That means that there are three claimed or dead for lynch and night protection. It's Talzor and Amb.

[Fuldu]

Pooky was the second of the three wraps on me. He hasn't been especially active, but he's not gone. TCM, yeah, probably gone.

One of the primary reasons I'm not in favor of a scum-hit-scum scenario tonight is that it assumes the scum know who one another are. The secondary reason (and also the reason Courk's "get-the-vanilla" strategy makes me uncomfortable) is the possibility that there are two mafia members left. If that's the case, I'd really like to hit one of them today.

But it's odd that you're basing much of your argument on how unbalanced a game this is. If this game were really that unbalanced in favor of the town, we'd have won a long time ago. As it is, I don't think it's by any means a sure thing, and we're getting down to the wire. To me, that is a pretty good measure of a well-balanced game. Not always, but as a rule-of-thumb.

I'd be interested in an explanation of how my role-claim is blatant lying, but yours is clearly to be believed. I'd be interested in descriptions of how I've manipulated the data. You haven't explained away any of the holes I see in your story, nor have you poked any holes in mine, other than to say that it's easy to make up a backup doc claim. I would say that it's just as easy to make up a regular doc claim, and that my behavior throughout the game supports my claim, whereas yours/Leonidas's doesn't.
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[Amb]

The thing is, that it is almost irrelevant. If I get the town behind me and have you lynched, I die overnight anyways. It would a very dumb scum to leave me alive, and given that there is clearly two of them I stand a reasonable chance of being double hit.

If the town does lynch me on account of manipulative arguments like "and that my behavior throughout the game supports my claim, whereas yours/Leonidas's doesn't." (How does your behaviour total doctor? If it did you'd have died ages ago) then sadly I die, and guess what - 2 scum are alive. 1 of them has to hit you as the other scum... and in the worst case scenario really does get rid of a backup doc. Thats a pretty good worst case scenario from a scum point of view. Either 2 docs are dead by morning, or 1 scum and 1 doc.

Theoretically that will leave 4 or 3 alive. A scum at that point has fancy his chances. Neither you or I should be alive at that point.

[Fuldu]

[Talzor]

[Mgm]

TCM hasn't responded to my email.
I'm not sure if Pooky needs replacing.

[Pooky]

I believe Amb

This is mainly for a singular reason,

We have 2 groups of killers here, unless we have some kinda psychothingamabobo that can kill multiple people on the same night.

Now let's look at what Amb has done, he has counterclaimed Fuldu, this means that if we lynch Fuldu, and Fuldu turns out to be doctor, then Amb is not only confirmed scumbago, but he will be kill target number 1 on the other group's kill list. So basically Amb has 2 outcomes he can expect if he is a scumbag, either get lynched today or get killed tommorrow.

Both of those choices are effectively suicide.

My hypothesis is that Amb is not really a big fan of suicide(though I could be wrong here, reference Maltese Falcon, Dragons Mafia(on MS), and Blighty Mafia. However, assuming that we are dealing with a logical amb, my conclusion would have to be that he is in fact our doctor and Fuldu is a scumbago.
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[Fuldu]

@Talzor: you may not like the wrap rules, but that doesn't mean you don't have to abide by them. Also, I believe you'll need to unwrap before wrapping Amb.

@Pooky: If I'm lying, how did you not end up dead last night? Wouldn't you have been a prime target for mafia, under the circumstances? Amb already explained that he protected TCM (and, yes, let's support the claimed doctor who can't even be bothered to figure out which players don't need his supposed protection), but even assuming that scum weren't any more aware that TCM had claimed night protection than Amb is (or, as I'm suggesting, exactly as aware), why wouldn't they have targeted someone they know they won't be able to lynch?

And doesn't it bother you in the slightest that Leonidas, who, if a doctor, ought to have known that there were other explanations for the failure of a kill to go through the night Nazgul blocked Hy, jumped on that bandwagon without even a comment?
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[Amb]

Confirm Wrap Fuldu /Without comment

[The Cheshire Man]

My apologies, everyone. I thought I was dead. And as this was/is my last mafia game for a while, I left to focus on Grad school applications.

Give me a sec to read over a few posts.
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[The Cheshire Man]

How interesting.

Okay, first a confirmation: yes, my role power is to be protected from night kill. Specifically, I'm the Curly Wurly.

Now I'd like to ask a few questions:

Firstly, to Amb, why did you protect me last night, considering I'm already protected.

Secondly, does anyone know who tried to protect me on Night 3?
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[Fuldu]

Odd that you would suggest such a thing, TCM. It wasn't me. If you honestly know that you were protected Night 3, I'd want an explanation of how you know that, but it would mean Amb is telling the truth, which, frankly, I find implausible.
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[Amb]

1. Because I missed your claim, and was already convinced you were innocent and thus a likely target.

2. I havent a clue if Leonidas targetted you night 3. I will have to get the details from the mod. (I think he sent them to me on my hotmail acct, but I cant find it if he did)

[Amb]

(Just as a curiosity, if you were night protected, why did you think you were dead? It doesn't change anything, but I am curious. PS Welcome back)

[The Cheshire Man]

I thought I was lynched. I must have had this mixed up with another game.
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smile

[Amb]

* bump *

[Courk]

*poke*

[Amb]

* jiggle *

[Pooky]

*dance*
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