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raekuul
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 Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: 241 |
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| Uhhh.... forget most of that last post of mine. Intoxicated with power and blinded by my own plans in meatworld. I really shouldn't post like that. Amb, if we were in fact lying about our claim, which we're not, then a choice could have been sent anyway because Theo is sort of the lead head out of the two of us. As far as I know, every team has claimed. Someone must be lying. |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: 242 |
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Okay, I read it, and I ignored what I could, but one part needed clarification.
Raek: 5. If you were a cop and you knew there was a doc, but you didn't know who, wouldn't you be just as hesitant about revealing someone who might be the doc?
Hy: 5. How would Amb know that there *was* a doc on day one with no night actions?(4)
Raek: 4) Did he actually type the words "I'm sure there is"? Or were you just going off of his behavior?
Answer: Your words buddy, not his. You said he knew there was a doc on day one.
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MatthewV
Daedalian Member :_
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: 243 |
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| Hy- I plan to either protect you or to protect Amb and planet. I will be willing to tell you which only after you confirm or deny having trouble with protecting them tomorrow. |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: 244 |
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And how in the hell would I do that?
Surely you're not suggesting communicating at night.
Major FOS.
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: 245 |
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(Maybe there are two mafia since MV and HY clearly talk at night  ) |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: 246 |
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I'm definately starting to think MattV is talking to *somebody* during the day/night, and I have my suspicions on who it might be--and it's not spindrift (and it is Amb). 
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The Cheshire Man
Not a pussycat
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: 247 |
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I'm ready to vote MatthewV/Spindrift now, but would be happy to wait until tomorrow after we (presumably) know more. Vote: No Lynch
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: 248 |
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Unvote
I'm not willing to let this night go to unlynch while MatthewV is still dicking around.
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Courk
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: 249 |
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Vote Count:
No Lynch - 2 - (MattV/spindrift, Ariel/TCM)
*still meaning to poke people* |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: 250 |
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| And i'm undecided. Can the "Poked" people post please, and then lets make a decision. If we are going to no lynch, lets just do it and move on. Dragged out days won't add much info, and we really do have a plethora of info to work with. |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: 251 |
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If we're not in agreement on how tonight will go, I'm voting Amb/CP or MattV/spin. <--period.
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CzarJ
Hot babe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: 252 |
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| Agreed. We may have a "plethora" of info, but it's not been enough to force out the scum yet, and if we're not careful about our plan tonight, we may end up minus one doc or cop and without any more info than we've got. Hy's plan sounds pretty solid to me, so before we vote, we should know what we're doing. Anyone got a problem with that? |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: 253 |
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| I intend asking my partner to find reasons why we shouldn't vote MatthewV. Despite my indecision on the lynch/no lynch thing, I am aware we cannot win without lynching. |
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theopholis
KHAAAAA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: 254 |
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I have no problem with a no lynch today, assuming we have a night plan. However, I do have a problem with this:
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| Hy- I plan to either protect you or to protect Amb and planet. I will be willing to tell you which only after you confirm or deny having trouble with protecting them tomorrow. |
Sorry, Matt, but that doesn't help us at all. We kind of need to know what you are doing before we know if we have a viable plan to work with. Perhaps you are scum and are trying to weasel you way out of explaining why your protection didn't work. If Amb/CP dies, you'd say you protected Hy/CzarJ. If Hy/CzarJ dies, you'd say you protected Amb/CP. FOS: Matt/spin
Waiting on clarification from Matt as to what he plans to do tonight before I decide if I should vote lynch or no lynch. |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: 255 |
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| I'll give him until tomorrow night, and then I'm putting the vote on him. |
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Captain Planet
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: 256 |
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| I intend asking my partner to find reasons why we shouldn't vote MatthewV. |
Well, I believe Hy almost completely. The strange and suddenly-launched attack on us makes no sense if he isn't telling the truth, and it doesn't strike me as the kind of story mafia would make up.
Therefore, if MattV is telling the truth, we've got three power roles, and that would lead me to believe that there are two mafioso. In this scenario, to kill MattV would be to kill a doctor, and we would therefore lose the game, as all the mafia would need to do in order to ensure that their kill succeeds would be to target HyToFry.
That is a reason not to vote for MatthewV.
I am still convinced he is lying scum though, and willing to risk it. If Amb is asking me why *I* shouldn't vote for MattV, my response is "I have no reason not to, other than not having had the chance to discuss properly with my partner".
- A setup with 6 players and 3 power roles seems a bit excessive. Even moreso the fact that I believe that two mafia would be needed to balance it, leaving us *one* vanilla townie? Nah.
- MattV's claim was awfully convenient. It was designed to take the heat off him just as it was beginning to be put onto himself, Mgm/Talzor, and theo/raekuul. It was also designed to play upon HyToFry's paranoia with regard to there having been a multi-doc game (turning suspicion back onto us, and again muddying the issue about who should come under suspicion.
- My memory could be failing me (highly likely), but I don't recall MattV having shown any suspicion of Hy's own doc claim.
Because I know that we are telling the truth, and because I trust Hy, I am willing to lynch MatthewV.
However, as I stated before, I know that if we are mistaken this action will cost us the game.
I have an alternate idea, which amb did not agree with when we discussed it (he sees my logic but thinks it unnecessary), but which I want to put out here anyway. I honestly believe that it might not be a bad idea to lynch either Mgm/Talzor or theo/raekuul. If MattV is truthful, they are almost necessarily both mafia. If MattV is lying, the lynchee will be town, BUT we will know almost certainly that MatthewV is lying, and it will also most likely be the case that he is working alone, and therefore this lynch would not lose us the game. Either way MattV has a night action, and given his Day 1 mistake, I don't think he would have said such a thing if he had a partner to remind him that the game began in day.
Anyway, I thought I would throw that out there for discussion, as it seems viable to me. I won't push for it though, I would prefer a MattV lynch purely on the basis that I find him most suspicious. I will happily place my vote upon Mgm/Talzor (I find them far more suspicious than theopholis/raekuul), MatthewV/MatthewV (at this point I don't consider spindrift a player), or no lynch.
I would most like to see MattV lynched.
Tactically, I think an Mgm/Talzor lynch is most sound. However, my belief in MattV's scumminess is enough that I do not think it is necessary.
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: 257 |
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Well, like I said, if he's not willing to speak up by the time I'm going to bed, he's going to have my vote for a lynching.
Period. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: 258 |
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Having read and re-read, im not yet sold on Mgm being scum. But Mgm is good at avoiding my radar. Reading between the lines, I think CP is happy either way, and I think we should be lynching to try to win. Yes im likely to change my mind again. A topsy turvy game from that perspective. But unless my partner comes and in and tells me off, I shall...
Vote MatthewV/Spindrift |
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Captain Planet
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: 259 |
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I'm not "sold" on it either, though I would have been if MattV hadn't claimed doc.
The Mgm/Talzor-voting suggestion was due to the fact that if MattV is telling the truth, Mgm/Talzor are pretty much definitely mafia (almost certainly with theo/raekuul), and lynching MattV will lose us the game.
However, I'm not going to tell you off. I'm pretty sure MatthewV is our scumbag. It was just a suggestion for a more cautious route we could take.
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Captain Planet
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: 260 |
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I noticed Mgm has been posting. Mgm, if you're still around, I'd really like to know your opinion of the current situation.
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theopholis
KHAAAAA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: 261 |
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| Well, personally I wouldn't be happy with a theo/raekuul lynch. Then again, maybe that's just me...and probably raekuul. I'm leaning toward a Matt/spin lynch right now, but as I said I want to give Matt a chance to say something before I cast a vote. I'm not sold on an Mgm/Talzor lynch, though they have come closer to lurking than any other team this game, and lurking may just be the correct tactic for the mafia to take in a game such as this. I'll go along with whichever tactic we decide would be best for the town, though I don't foresee myself voting for myself. |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: 262 |
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Well, that time has come.
Vote: MatthewV/spindrift.
I'm guessing he's scum who knows what is going to happen tonight if my plan goes through. |
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Courk
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: 263 |
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| I've given myself a deadline of 48 hours to look up who needs to be poked. Hopefully I'll get it done before then. I'll post and let you know. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: 264 |
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| Spindrift (4 posts to date) and Ariel (one post to date) would be a fantastic start. The fact their partners are playing and not complaining is HIGHLY suspect to me... |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: 265 |
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Did anyone else notice that MatthewV stopped by last night but didn't post here?
Mgm/Talzor, Ariel/TCM, and raekul/theopholis... I think you know what to do. |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: 266 |
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[update]
He did mention that his net was out yesterday; however, he had access, and didn't bother to post in here. I think he's waiting it out and doesn't want to deal with his words lest he be even more suspicious. |
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theopholis
KHAAAAA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: 267 |
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Well, he has had plenty of time.
Vote: MatthewV/spindrift |
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raekuul
Lives under a bridge & tells stories.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: 268 |
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| Just poking my half-body in to confirm Vote: MatthewV/spindrift. |
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Talzor
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: 269 |
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| Mgm and I agree. All in all 2 doc's and a cop are to many power figures in this game of 6. And MattW seems to be the fishiest by far. Vote: MatthewV/spindrift. |
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Courk
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: 270 |
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I've poked Ariel (and spindrift). Ariel has until Thursday, August 24, at 6 pm EDT to respond to my PM. (I also listed that she should post in this thread -- that's no longer needed since it'll be night.)
Vote count and official stuff in next post. (After I eat.) |
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Courk
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: 271 |
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Vote Count:
MattV/spindrift - 4 - (Amb/Capt. Planet, CzarJ/HyToFry, raekuul/theopholis, Mgm/Talzor)
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MattV/spindrift are dead. They were a doc.
It is now night. Deadline will be Friday, August 25, at 4 pm EDT. |
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MatthewV
Daedalian Member :_
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: 272 |
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| I posted from work, not home. Wow- you managed to lynch me without a single reply. Very good job. |
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Courk
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: 273 |
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As day dawns, four of the remaining five two-headed townspeople show up in the square, ready for another intense day of planning and debating. They are quickly quieted by the realization that Ariel/TCM were missing. After a quick search (they go so much faster when one body can look two ways at once), the Ariel/TCM body was found, dead. Sleeping with the two headed fishies.
As amb/Capt. Planet prepare to deliver their stunning discovery that Mgm/Talzor are mafia, CzarJ/Hy jump onto the platform and reveal that they are also mafia. "I would suggest surrendering now, unless you want to join MattV/spindrift and Ariel/TCM in the graveyard," says Mgm's head.
"Give it up, we've won," adds Talzor.
Congrats, mafia, you have won!
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I'm sorry this game wasn't more balanced. It's hard to balance a 6 player game. I wanted more than 1 mafia since it doesn't really seem like mafia with only a one-body team. I know 2 mafia and 4 townies is really slanted toward the mafia, but I thought a cop and a non-self-protecting doc would balance it out a bit more than it did.  I think I should have had maybe another doc. I wish I had thought of some of the scenarios you guys came up with. Also, sorry for the anticlimactic ending that the unbalance brought about.
Other notes:
Matt did send in a choice with his confirmation, even though the thread said we were starting with day. I don't think I pointed that out to him, though.
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| Amb is scared that this game might be a Dethy Classic |
I found this funny. Of all the people I had help with the set up, it was dethy.  (Thanks deth!)
I went for a pretty basic setup in this game, since I really did just want to see how partners would work. Then Hy said he thought this game's setup was 3 different mafia groups who had no ability to night kill. You guys threw around the idea of multiple docs, and then amb comes in with this idea of no mafia. What have I done in the past to make you think I'd do things like that?
Roles:
CzarJ/Hy - Mafia
Talzor/Mgm - Mafia
MattV/spindrift - doc
amb/Capt. Planet - cop
Ariel/TCM - town
raekuul/theopholis - town
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Finally, I do have some questions I'd like you to answer concerning the set up of the game.
Everyone: Was there ever a point when you thought one player was suspicious, but you didn't feel that way about his or her partner? Any improvements you can suggest?
Players with abilities: Did you find having a partner was useful, or did you see it as a hassle? How often did you chat with your partner during the day? How do you think preventing day time talking between partners would have affected your strategy?
Players without abilities: Did having a partner make the game more interesting? Did you talk with your partner at night? If so, what did you discuss? How often did you chat with your partner during the day? How do you think preventing day time talking between partners would have affected your strategy? |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: 274 |
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First thing first.
*BANG BANG BANG-BANG!* Haha!
I can't believe I convinced you to string up a Doctor.  I kind of wish it would have gone to day again. I was looking forward to getting town to lynch Amb.
For the record, I was also worried this might be a dethy classic (since it was me/CJ and Mgm/Talzor leaving only four other players (perfect for a dethy classic.)) I told CJ we better role-claim asap if another cop does.
When Amb had that same suspicion, I, honestly, thought it was an all mafia game, and that's how I played it from there on in. I was shocked when MattV came up as a doctor.
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1. Everyone: Was there ever a point when you thought one player was suspicious, but you didn't feel that way about his or her partner?
2. Players with abilities: Did you find having a partner was useful, or did you see it as a hassle? How often did you chat with your partner during the day? How do you think preventing day time talking between partners would have affected your strategy? |
1. Yes. I felt that way most of the way through re Amb/CP. (I won't say who I suspected though. )
2. It was nice to have someone to run posts by. There were a couple of times when I was going to say something, or CJ was going to say something, and we helped make it sound better/more convincing. I was a bit saddened when CJ wasn't able to be here as much, but I think I did alright for myself.  Preventing day time talking would have been harder. In order to do the ideas I wanted to do, I had to let CJ know what I was doing. If I had claimed doc without telling CJ my plan, he would have flipped out I'm sure. |
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CzarJ
Hot babe
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: 275 |
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| HyToFry, Mafia God, wrote: |
| 2. It was nice to have someone to run posts by. There were a couple of times when I was going to say something, or CJ was going to say something, and we helped make it sound better/more convincing. I was a bit saddened when CJ wasn't able to be here as much, but I think I did alright for myself. Preventing day time talking would have been harder. In order to do the ideas I wanted to do, I had to let CJ know what I was doing. If I had claimed doc without telling CJ my plan, he would have flipped out I'm sure. |
I'm glad Hy mentioned this--I didn't want to have to be the one to point out that I helped out more than it seems like I did. =P
That said--Christ on a cracker, Hy, that was a hell of a run. My hat's off to you. |
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HyToFry
Drama queen
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: 276 |
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| I can't believe we spent $48888.84 so we could lynch one two-headed person. What in the Sam Hill were we thinking? |
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Mgm
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: 277 |
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I'm afraid the game would be unbalanced the other way if you would've added another doc. Like I told my buddies, the cop could pretty much have investigated everyone before we would ever have a remote chance at killing them.
I didn't want to kill Amb night 1, but I got overpowered by my team mates. What I feared happened. There was a cop and Amb remained alive. Luckily he had investigated a lurker.
I still wonder. Everyone found us scum suspicious. Why lynch Matt?
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Finally, I do have some questions I'd like you to answer concerning the set up of the game.
Everyone: Was there ever a point when you thought one player was suspicious, but you didn't feel that way about his or her partner? Any improvements you can suggest? |
No, their partner were always scummy by association. I tended to sculpt my reasonings around the posts of the most vocal of the pair, though.
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| Players with abilities: Did you find having a partner was useful, or did you see it as a hassle? How often did you chat with your partner during the day? How do you think preventing day time talking between partners would have affected your strategy? |
Me and Talzor talked continuously (especially day 2) get our stories straight and discuss a way to get Matt lynched. In the end Hy shot to our rescue...
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| How do you think preventing day time talking between partners would have affected your strategy? |
It would lose its charm. If you can't talk during the day, the use of a partner diminishes. |
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ralphmerridew
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: 278 |
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| With the game starting so close to lynch-or-lose, you don't need to get the cop. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: 279 |
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The really frustrating thing is that I kept telling Mackay that Hy was scum, and she didnt believe Hy was actually lying - I wanted to investigate Hy overnight, but she went for Mgm - Talzor.
I felt that 2 mafia was too strong and stayed with that.
I really did worry about a Dethy setup. |
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theopholis
KHAAAAA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: 280 |
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Bah! It's too bad we found our doc the most suspicious. Without him, the mafia just walked all over us.
| Courk wrote: |
| Everyone: Was there ever a point when you thought one player was suspicious, but you didn't feel that way about his or her partner? Any improvements you can suggest? |
Not really. The way the game played out I didn't find anyone exceptionally suspicious until MattV at the end, though I was suspicious of everyone at one time or another. As far as improving the two-headedness, I think that part of the game was just fine as it was.
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| Players without abilities: Did having a partner make the game more interesting? Did you talk with your partner at night? If so, what did you discuss? How often did you chat with your partner during the day? How do you think preventing day time talking between partners would have affected your strategy? |
In the case of raekuul and myself, we passed a few PMs back and forth, but not too many. raekuul was without access for awhile, so most of our conversing took place within the thread. It's a good thing we tended to agree on strategy because it would have been difficult making a deal as to how to proceed if we disagreed and were unable to talk a lot. Preventing daytime talking wouldn't have affected us too much, but I don't think it should be prohibited because many of the other teams made good use of it.
I think the use of partners limited the lurking even when players were away. It's too bad spindrift never really contributed. |
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